Draft Review 2005 - Redo the 2005 Draft

[Death Cab]

Re: 2005 Afl draft Re-Done

Birchall weak and crappy? Watch the Elimination Final against Adelaide. Was our third best player behing Buddy, and Hodge.

Birchall is becoming quite a unit too. There was a great passage of play where Birch and Popylzzia (sp?) were both putting their body on the line going for a loose ball. Birch over powers Pop, gets a knock on to advantage and Pop is left with a stuffed (dislocated?) shoulder.

I think Birch is develping into a hard player. Haven't seen heaps of Jones, but he looks the goods also.

As for Thomas... I don't really rate him, can't put my finger on the reason why. It might be because he doesn't seem to have a natural looking kicking style (although his accuracy actually does seem reasonable enough). Would certainly have in my side, but personally, would prefer the Birch.

 

[Drummond]

Re: 2005 Afl draft Re-Done

Pfeiffer will be top 5 from this draft.

 

[cs61]

Re: 2005 Afl draft Re-Done

Its is debatable who's higher on a list, it always is when players play in different positions, and you see your club's player more than other club's players.

But, don't degrade other players unfairly just to talk your player up, and don't forget that just because one player is very good, that it could be possible that another one is better.

Talk that Birchall doesn't effect a game is absolute rubbish, and when you hear comments like that its obvious you haven't really watched the hawks play very often.

Has been forced to play as defender and had some massive jobs at such an early age, and has more composure than most senior players. Is a rock down there, and has the option of either moving into the midfield, or developing the taller side of his game and playing as a rebounding key defender. He's a good one.

Its fine if you think someone else may be better, that's an opinion, but don't degrade a really quality young player unfairly to try and win an argument.

 

[cs61]

Re: 2005 Afl draft Re-Done

Pfeiffer will be top 5 from this draft.

I really wanted us to take a punt on him during trade period, or at the draft table.

Unfortunately I think Carlton may have gotten a good one.

 

[Ablettttttt!]

Re: 2005 Afl draft Re-Done

Pies clearly struck gold in this draft and alot of people would agree (and others would disagree at my take) but this is how it would go in most cases:

1. Scott Pendlebury

2. Dale Thomas

Throw a blanket over the rest.

Also recall Robbo doing a re-jig on various drafts and he too agreed Pendlebury/Thomas at 1/2 respectively.

I wouldn't say they have struck gold. With 2 of the top 5 picks or something like that, they were bound to get some really good players

 

[CrazyQ]

Re: 2005 Afl draft Re-Done

Andrew Swallow's form in the intra-club yesterday looked ominous.
Seems to have improved everything - kicking, burst speed, strength in packs.

He kicked 3 goals and had a mountain of possessions.

Look for Swallow to overtake Jones in 2008 and be rated higher by years end.

No chance.

 

[fraser25]

Re: 2005 Afl draft Re-Done

As for Thomas... I don't really rate him, can't put my finger on the reason why. It might be because he doesn't seem to have a natural looking kicking style

Bingo! Why do so few people notice this, looks very unco, not even so called experts, nobody??

(although his accuracy actually does seem reasonable enough).

Wrong, he led our clangers last year and was the most innacurate player in front of goal. The media under-publicises this stuff, you can't go against the grain of opinion that's already marked him down as an out and out champion for some reason.

Again leading clangers at the club, goes unnoticed, why?

Personally I think Higgins will prove to be another awesome player from this draft, apparently he didnt go top five because of lack of endurance or lack of something, sounds a bit like the bullsh1t Dal Santo thing. His balance and kicking is awesome.

I think it's Murphy-Pendlebury-Higgins then the rest for me, I don't rate Ryder, all the talk on potential stems from his aerial ability/aboriginality (just like it did/does Wells) but I think he plays too relaxed to be a key back and just think he won't live up to hype. Also too slight and can't play up forward, too small for ruck, seems like an overrated no mans land player.

 

[melbourne150]

Re: 2005 Afl draft Re-Done

I think it's Murphy-Pendlebury-Higgins then the rest for me

Have you heard of Nathan Jones??

 

[fraser25]

Re: 2005 Afl draft Re-Done

Have you heard of Nathan Jones??

honest toiler, was always gonna be a big possesion earner early on due to mature build, decent player but not gamebreaker.

pick ten'ish quite accurate for him

 

[melbourne150]

Re: 2005 Afl draft Re-Done

honest toiler, was always gonna be a big possesion earner early on due to mature build, decent player but not gamebreaker.

pick ten'ish quite accurate for him

Ok keep telling yourself that...You will be eating your words by round 10...

 

[fraser25]

Re: 2005 Afl draft Re-Done

Ok keep telling yourself that...You will be eating your words by round 10...

Jones will get 30 possessions, so will Dane Swan, whoop de doo.

 

[melbourne150]

Re: 2005 Afl draft Re-Done

Jones will get 30 possessions, so will Dane Swan, whoop de doo.

What the hell are you talking about???
I never said anything about disposials or Dane Swan?

I was talking about you saying Jones is a "Decent Player" but not a game Breaker(wich i highlighted)

And i hope your not saying Jones is anything like Swan!!! Jones is an inside mid who earns his disposials and is probebly one of the toughest (hardest at the ball) midfielders going around!! but what makes him stand out is that he is incredibly tough but he also has awesome skills!!

Swan=Cheap posessions off half back


You are not even worth arguing with your comments are stupid and pointless....

 

[Smyth94]

Re: 2005 Afl draft Re-Done

Bingo! Why do so few people notice this, looks very unco, not even so called experts, nobody??



Wrong, he led our clangers last year and was the most innacurate player in front of goal. The media under-publicises this stuff, you can't go against the grain of opinion that's already marked him down as an out and out champion for some reason.

Again leading clangers at the club, goes unnoticed, why?

Personally I think Higgins will prove to be another awesome player from this draft, apparently he didnt go top five because of lack of endurance or lack of something, sounds a bit like the bullsh1t Dal Santo thing. His balance and kicking is awesome.

I think it's Murphy-Pendlebury-Higgins then the rest for me, I don't rate Ryder, all the talk on potential stems from his aerial ability/aboriginality (just like it did/does Wells) but I think he plays too relaxed to be a key back and just think he won't live up to hype. Also too slight and can't play up forward, too small for ruck, seems like an overrated no mans land player.

He'll hopefully end up in the middle, where he will dominate plenty of games, his field kicking is much better than Murhpy's and is on par with Pendlebury. You will end up eating your words.

Too small for a ruckman? John Barnes was a decent ruckman at 6'4'', Ryder is 6'6'' and has an even better leap.

 

[half time raffle]

Re: 2005 Afl draft Re-Done

Ryder will be the bet of this draft. Fraser25 you have no idea if you think Ryder will be a "no mans land player". Since when has a 6'6 player who is quick and has a bit of football smarts, ever been a no mans land player - he could probably play more positions on the ground than 95% of players.

 

[KING-JAMES]

Re: 2005 Afl draft Re-Done

Ryder will be the bet of this draft. Fraser25 you have no idea if you think Ryder will be a "no mans land player". Since when has a 6'6 player who is quick and has a bit of football smarts, ever been a no mans land player - he could probably play more positions on the ground than 95% of players.

People forget he was considered a project player. He had never played in the back line before last season so for him to be able to shut down players like he did was extremely encouraging. At the moment he isn't the big ball winning type but his spoiling, reading of the play and body on body ability down back can not be said enough of. His got pace to burn, is clean below his knees and is very versatile.

For a 19 year old his doing very very well just ask Micky O[SIZE=-1]'Loughlin.[/SIZE]

 

[Roosurgence]

Re: 2005 Afl draft Re-Done

swallow very underated on here, rizzo the only one that has him anywhere near what he should be at.

doesn bother me tho, he will prove alot of people wrong this year!

Don't get me wrong I like Swallow, but I think he is being masively overated. Admire his tenacity and ability to win the pill, but butchers it too much to be rated as highly as he is.

BTW, would have to be one of the worst in the AFL for lack of awareness, gets caught with the ball a hell of a lot.

I think he has been an excellent pick up for us, but I don't rate him as high as some others. I think of him as more of a poor man's Daniel Harris. If he can work on his disposal and awareness, then he can be anything.

 

[Roosurgence]

Re: 2005 Afl draft Re-Done

What a stupid comment....how can you say someone who is only coming into there third season(and only turned 20 a few weeks ago) isn't going to get much better??

Jones has been a stand out during pre-season and him and McLean have been dominating the time trials.....

his fitness is incredible,(much better than last season) he is very strong, his hardness at the ball is second to none, and has very good skills(wich will naturally get better as he gets older) and will have ALOT more confidence going into 2008 after having an awesome 2007, comeing third in the rising star, and coming second in melbourne's B&F....And Hopefully he runs with the ball more and takes more players on because he has an Awesome side step......

Jones>>>>>>>Daylight >>>>>>>>Birchall

Birchall is weak and gets crappy cheap disposials wich don't have any influence on the game at all!!!

Jones is the better player pure and simple. Birchall has to have 30 possies just to have the same effect as what 10 from Jones would have.

People get too carried away with stats. Birchall is a good player, but depends too much on his mates getting him he pill, whereas Jones has the ability to win his own and do some damage.

 

[KING-JAMES]

Re: 2005 Afl draft Re-Done

Jones is the better player pure and simple. Birchall has to have 30 possies just to have the same effect as what 10 from Jones would have.

People get too carried away with stats. Birchall is a good player, but depends too much on his mates getting him he pill, whereas Jones has the ability to win his own and do some damage.

Thats crap, Birchall is one of the cleanest users of the football in the Hawks side and quite often is the one setting up play, and hitting players on the lead. He has the luxury of being that outside player because he is playing in a superior side, with some excellent in and under types already. He serves his role fantastically. He also is pretty handy down back at 192cm.

Jones is doing well, and loves to take the opposition on but too often he bombs long instead of finding up the best option. His a great young player but needs polish.

To say 10 disposals of Jones are as effective as 30 Birchall touches is just plain wrong.

 

[smiddaz123]

Re: 2005 Afl draft Re-Done

Jones is the better player pure and simple. Birchall has to have 30 possies just to have the same effect as what 10 from Jones would have.

People get too carried away with stats. Birchall is a good player, but depends too much on his mates getting him he pill, whereas Jones has the ability to win his own and do some damage.

Don't think I've ever read a bigger load of crap in my life.

 

[richmond fanatic]

Re: 2005 Afl draft Re-Done

Cleve Hughes > Josh Kennedy if we're talking about what they have acheived so far.

 

[Lynch takes a mark]

Re: 2005 Afl draft Re-Done

What I like about the 05 draft is that there was such an even spread of talent (except J-ON) in that first round

Highly doubtful any of the clubs would want to swap there player with any of the other players

I know I wouldn't swap Hurn for Murphy and I doubt Hawks would want to swap Birch for Ryder or Thomas ect

Give it another 3 seasons, once the first round have all played 50-80 games we will get an idea of who is the cream of the crop but right now it all looks quite even.

 

[KING-JAMES]

Re: 2005 Afl draft Re-Done

What I like about the 05 draft is that there was such an even spread of talent (except J-ON) in that first round

Highly doubtful any of the clubs would want to swap there player with any of the other players

I know I wouldn't swap Hurn for Murphy and I doubt Hawks would want to swap Birch for Ryder or Thomas ect

Give it another 3 seasons, once the first round have all played 50-80 games we will get an idea of who is the cream of the crop but right now it all looks quite even.

I know what you mean, I wouldn't be trading Ryder for anyone and I'd like to keep Courtenay Dempsey around as well. It has some real quality amongst it.

 

[DanA]

Re: 2005 Afl draft Re-Done

My thoughts:
(1-3 standout)
1. (5) Scott Pendlebury
2. (1) Marc Murphy
3 (12) Nathan Jones

(4-7 could be in any order)
4 (13) Shannon Hurn
5 (7) Patrick Ryder
6 (14) Grant Birchall
7 (2) Dale Thomas

(8-7 all solid players)
8 (42) Robert Warnock
9 (11) Shaun Higgins
10 (61) Matthew Stokes
11 (33) Sam Gilbert
12 (43) Andrew Swallow

(13-18 look like they will make it)
13 (36) Jake Edwards
14 (60) Clint Bartram
15 (9) Mitch Clark
16 (15) Travis Varcore
17 (10) Marcus Drum
18. (41) Rhan Hooper

(19-20 I have some doubts)
19. (4) Josh Kennedy
20. (3) Xavier Ellis
Last two have done nothing to suggest they will be good players in my opinion although Ellis is still a stick and KP's take time.

 

[dominguez]

Re: 2005 Afl draft Re-Done

I don't know why everyone rates Warnock so high. The dud got dropped to the 3rds at school football level in year 12. All he is a a beampole. The only reason he got a game is because Sandy got injured. And the only people who rate him are collingwood fans because the dwarf from lord of the rings would make a better ruckman then the ones they have now.

He will be coming back to Melbourne at the end of next year.

So in 2005 he was the 3rd best ruckman at his school, in 2006 he was playing great footy against men in the WAFL then in 2007 he handled himself well at AFL level.

That's a massive amount of improvement, at that rate I'll pencil him in for All Australian selection this year and a Brownlow in 2009.

Thanks for the heads up Line in the Sand.

 

[Schulzenfest]

Re: 2005 Afl draft Re-Done

I would probably rate Pendlebury over Murphy at this point.