Draft Review 2007 - Redo the 2007 Draft

[sTeeL]

Is it law that no player less than five years in the system can have an uninterrupted preseason? Because that revelation is old.

 

[supahoops]

re do the first round now we have seen them play and with clubs needs that we know


1. Carlton - Cyril Rioli - have to take him as he is the best from the draft and will be a great midfielder and forward for the blues

2. Richmond - Patrick Dangerfield - need quality mids and would take someone who is durable and hard to try and change their culture. cotchin too injured and they are worried about long term

3. West Coast - Trent Cotchin - know he will take time but happy to spend time down ladder and know he wull op well in their culture

4. Melbourne - Matthew Kruezer - need a ruckman and another forward so is perfect fit

5. Western bulldogs - - Jarraod Grant - still think he will be a solution to forward problems soon

6. Essendon - Tate Pears - key player for their future to take over from fletch

7. Fremantle - Rhys Palmer - need everything but stay with Palmer because they love him

8. Brisbane - Cale Morton - he is soft but he is a good mid for them to go with black and power

9. St Kilda - Callan Ward - they have most covered but he is just the type of footballer they love. they wish they got rioli

10. Adelaide - Jack Grimes - classy footballer who will follow craigs orders and execute game plan perfect

11. Sydney - David Myers - they love classy running backs and will think they can get the most out of him

12. Hawthorn - Scott Thompson - get a good full back that they need

13. West Coast - Lachlan henderson - add another tall that can develop with Kennedy

14. Melbourne - Chris masten - add a good classy midfielder to a very bare bunch

15. North melbourne - Brad Ebert - add the best midfielder available to a weak area

16. Port Adelaide - Patrick Vezpremi - get some chardness into their team and some classiness

17. Geelong - stay with harry Taylor to back up their defence

5 years and AA premiership player later I'd have Harry Taylor behind dangerfield and cotchin

 

[Sin City]

If you haven't seen a player's best after five seasons, it's pretty clear they shouldn't be rated at #1.

I don't think this is a very good statement at all sorry.

Five years in the system usually makes them about 23 years old, I would think that any player who will be ranked at number one wouldn't have played their best football by them and the top players should have about eight years of good football left in them.

Gary Ablett Jnr immediately springs to mind, as does your man Scott Thompson.

 

[Sin City]

5 years and AA premiership player later I'd have Harry Taylor behind dangerfield and cotchin

Yes, Taylor seems terribly underrated in this thread.

 

[keviewiggle]

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Re: re do the 2007 draft now that we know what we know

Richmond would still take Cotchin ahead of Dangerfield imo, you would have to have palmer ahead of dangerfield also.

Palmer ahead of Dangerfield?
In what weird universe?

 

[supahoops]

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Palmer ahead of Dangerfield?
In what weird universe?

Mrs Palmer?

 

[Monkey King]

Talent: I like Kreuzer but no way is he more talented than Cotchin, Rioli, Dangerfield, Walker.

Potential: You get the sense that Cotchin, Dangerfield, Rioli, Ebert, Ward are really starting to hit their straps. To me, Kreuzer looks like he is getting dragged down by injury.

Don't disagree with your other points, but these two are glaring for me. Only Cotchin ranks near Kreuzer in talent stakes; maybe Rioli in his own way too. As for potential, I'd say Krezuer has more potential for improvement given his injury issues than all those players you listed. He has already shown a few times what a dominant level of performance he can dish out for a big bloke. Hopefully injury doesn't rob the football world of the best young talent I've seen at the Blues in nearly 20 years. If he can re-capture that form, he'll literally win games for the Blues.

 

[cmndstab]

I don't think this is a very good statement at all sorry.

Five years in the system usually makes them about 23 years old, I would think that any player who will be ranked at number one wouldn't have played their best football by them and the top players should have about eight years of good football left in them.

Gary Ablett Jnr immediately springs to mind, as does your man Scott Thompson.

If they're slowly working their way towards peak performances, and are primed and ready to become elite players, then I agree. GAJ is a good example of this. Scott Thompson not so much - he really has only become the very good (almost elite) player he is now in the last 12-24 months. Before that he was a good player and showed some great signs around 05 or 06 but hadn't reached his potential by then. As good as Thompson is now, even if he was (plucking a number out of the air here) the 3rd best player in that draft, you still probably wouldn't give pick #3 for him in retrospect because he spent most of his career playing below that level.

In Kreuzer's case it's a question of whether his potential will ever be reached, given how injury has affected him. If I believed he was finally ready to start putting performances on the park in 2013 that were better than the likes of Dangerfield, Cotchin, Walker, etc then that would be a different story, but I don't.

 

[geelong_crazy26]

Re: re do the 2007 draft now that we know what we know

Stopped reading right about.......



...there.

take both cotchin and dangerfield anyday over cyril

 

[Silvagnis]

In Kreuzer's case it's a question of whether his potential will ever be reached, given how injury has affected him. If I believed he was finally ready to start putting performances on the park in 2013 that were better than the likes of Dangerfield, Cotchin, Walker, etc then that would be a different story, but I don't.

You can't categorically state that a big man won't improve and develop later than midfielders. Kreuzer's 2012 was still good with 10 goals in 20 games, so he's not as far away as you want to believe. His pressure acts, ability below his knees and second efforts are still superior to what you get from a Jacobs or Maric. They're still far less mobile and competitive than Kreuzer around the ground and at ground level. My real highlights are the unglamorous things that generally go unnoticed. Kreuzer's effort to sack Jobe Watson in our win last year was brutal. The knee can't be that bad if Kreuzer can will himself to chase down Nahas and force a turnover. Think you're underrating him a lot because you don't see enough Carlton games.

 

[X_box_X]

Cotchin and Danger over Cyril, IMO.

 

[mufassa]

Cotchin and Danger are the only 2 in the debate for 1 and 2. You can make an arguement for both but you can't add another player as there is not another player at the same level as these two stars.

 

[Ambrosia]

Cotchin and Danger are the only 2 in the debate for 1 and 2. You can make an arguement for both but you can't add another player as there is not another player at the same level as these two stars.

Have to agree with this. Although if Freo were to somehow have the number 1 draft pick they would seriously consider Walker.

 

[cmndstab]

You can't categorically state that a big man won't improve and develop later than midfielders. Kreuzer's 2012 was still good with 10 goals in 20 games, so he's not as far away as you want to believe. His pressure acts, ability below his knees and second efforts are still superior to what you get from a Jacobs or Maric. They're still far less mobile and competitive than Kreuzer around the ground and at ground level. My real highlights are the unglamorous things that generally go unnoticed. Kreuzer's effort to sack Jobe Watson in our win last year was brutal. The knee can't be that bad if Kreuzer can will himself to chase down Nahas and force a turnover. Think you're underrating him a lot because you don't see enough Carlton games.

Well, of course I can't categorically state he won't improve and develop later. I'm not trying to say that.

What I'm saying is that, in my opinion, he won't improve enough to be rated #1 in this draft. I could end up with egg on my face, yes. But that's my opinion.

 

[mufassa]

Have to agree with this. Although if Freo were to somehow have the number 1 draft pick they would seriously consider Walker.

No they wouldn't - they would trade it away for Shoenmakers and then give him back to the Hawks for a packet of chips 3 years later - all the while number one pick wins a flag, norm smith and becomes captain.

 

[mufassa]

I'd take Walker ahead of Cotchin or Dangerfield. He's not a better player, but he's probably a more valuable player IMO.

I think he is the stand out 3rd - and for the Roos also a better fit to replace Petrie. But Cotchin and Dangerfield look to be hall of famers. 600 plus quaility disposals or 63 goals. Walker needs to be up in the 80's year in and out if Cotchin and Danger are getting over 600 touches.

 

[cmndstab]

I think he is the stand out 3rd - and for the Roos also a better fit to replace Petrie. But Cotchin and Dangerfield look to be hall of famers. 600 plus quaility disposals or 63 goals. Walker needs to be up in the 80's year in and out if Cotchin and Danger are getting over 600 touches.

I guess it's a question of what is more valuable - a gun forward or a gun midfielder?

Because kicking 80 goals a year would make Walker the best forward in the competition. Is that the standard he needs to reach to go above Dangerfield and Cotchin?

 

[Lyyynnnchy]

We wouldn't.

I guess you won't mind my laughing at Adelaide supporters criticising the big man who is loyal, hard and doesn't want to leave for a barrow full of money.

Do you watch any other sides?

That would explain why your club overrates their talls and gives a Kernahan type contract to a poorer tall forward than Fevola.

No wonder your club is in such a bad shape.

That's funny.

If Kreuzer had the misfortune to be drafted by the Power, you would have christened him The Future after four games.

Stick to uploading videos of his goals.

Adelaide supporters are drinking their own bathwater.

You do realise you're the only one who would still pick kreuzer in the top 3...crazy stuff, delusion at it's finest

 

[Bosun]

You do realise you're the only one who would still pick kreuzer in the top 3...crazy stuff, delusion at it's finest

I would. More than happy to admit that both Cotchin and Dangerfield have shown much more and are easily in front in terms of displays so far however Kreuzer has shown how good he can be. Just hope his body holds up.

 

[bombermick]

Walker has shown the potential to become the league's best forward, which would make him the most valuable player in the game. But for now Cotchin and Rioli are no.1 and 2, followed closely by Danger IMO.

 

[Prem87]

Does anyone think Cale Morton will become a decent player and come close to showing why he was a top 5 pick - like Masten has this season?

Apparently Morton's first two years showed promise...what happened since?

 

[00Stinger]

Hhahah.

Nah but seriously I rate him 3rd, you might not but I do.

Top 3:
1. Dangerfield
2. Cotchin
3. Rioli

At least 4. You would have to take Walker before Rioli, Walker will be a superstar forward.

 

[00Stinger]

Does anyone think Cale Morton will become a decent player and come close to showing why he was a top 5 pick - like Masten has this season?

Apparently Morton's first two years showed promise...what happened since?

He got even softer. His first 2 years he was a hang out, but he was a hang out who pick up big numbers and used the ball well. Then in his last 3 years he turned into a hang out, who hardly got the ball, didn't go when it was his turn, and on the odd chance that he would get it, he would give it straight back to the opposition.

I am staggered at how badly this kid went backwards, and no one can blame the coach and he had 2 coaches. One who liked an uncontested brand of football (which Cale did no good at) and one who like a contested brand of footy (which Cale sucked at).

Most skinny kids are scarred until they get cleaned up, then they realise it isn't that bad. Unfortunately Cale once got cleaned up and that just scarred him even more.

Seriously good luck to the Eagles taking a chance on him, but I wouldnt hold my breath if I was a WCE supporter

 

[mufassa]

Does anyone think Cale Morton will become a decent player and come close to showing why he was a top 5 pick - like Masten has this season?

Apparently Morton's first two years showed promise...what happened since?

He is soft as butter. But you turned Josh Hill around from a hack to decent so in the right team he maybe ok. Will never feature in this thread.

 

[mufassa]

I guess it's a question of what is more valuable - a gun forward or a gun midfielder?

Because kicking 80 goals a year would make Walker the best forward in the competition. Is that the standard he needs to reach to go above Dangerfield and Cotchin?

Understand the important of a gun forward. Carey could spend time with my wife and I will always love him.

Not sure kicking 80 goals will make him better than Franklin. He is with Hawkins though as the next big thing though. Winning the Coleman does not make you the best forward in the comp. I would not have Riewoldt as the best forward and Carey never won one.

But I would equate 80 goals with 600+ quality touches. Not Boyd touches - Cotchin touches.