Draft Review 2007 - Redo the 2007 Draft

[mufassa]

In hindsight I throw Taylor way higher. Overrated Whitecross big time. But as a (one-eyed) Essendon supporter I see Myers coming on in a big way, he's got a gun skill set.

Myers is slow and is not a good decision maker - no where near this top 10.

 

[Richo83]

What is Myers? Half back flanker? Inside midfielder? Essendon supporters talk about how he's being played out of position, so what is his position, and if he is being played out of position, why isn't he being played in his right position? Because at the moment, he seems to be a very poor man's Gibbs, a midfielder who is struggling due to being played in defense.

 

[Donakebab]

What is Myers? Half back flanker? Inside midfielder? Essendon supporters talk about how he's being played out of position, so what is his position, and if he is being played out of position, why isn't he being played in his right position? Because at the moment, he seems to be a very poor man's Gibbs, a midfielder who is struggling due to being played in defense.

He's an inside midfielder, but suffers from being tall and built like a brick shithouse while still mobile with a long raking kick. When a KPD goes down, he gets the job. When a HBF goes down. When he finally gets time in the midfield, he plays great but breaks down not long after. Injury is the bane of his existence, be it to himself or a team mate. If he gets a good run he'll be a good player.

 

[Dwight Schrute]

Myers is slow and is not a good decision maker - no where near this top 10.

Correct. He needs to work on his decision making and he isn't that slow but he still has average pace.

However I'm hoping that can change.

 

[mufassa]

Correct. He needs to work on his decision making and he isn't that slow but he still has average pace.

However I'm hoping that can change.

The Essendon supporter putting at 5 is really wishful thinking. He has shown glimpses that he could be top 10 but injuty has taken away any chance of consistancy. Nothing wrong with lack of pace if you are quick thinking and make good decisions. He will find it even harder to get played in the midfield with Goodard who is a similar type of player.

 

[Richo83]

Correct. He needs to work on his decision making and he isn't that slow but he still has average pace.

However I'm hoping that can change.

Gee, I thought mufassa was doing his usual thing of hating on the bombers and baiting their fans. Has he always been like this, or have injuries cut him down?

 

[Dwight Schrute]

Gee, I thought mufassa was doing his usual thing of hating on the bombers and baiting their fans. Has he always been like this, or have injuries cut him down?

If you take a look at his u/18 highlights you will see he actually had some nice pace, maybe he just hasn't had the confidence to use it at AFL level, he isn't the best decision maker but that's something that can be fixed. He's a great kick and has the ability to find a lot of the ball though.

 

[Bardo State]

Not much love for Hanley, Whitecross and Steven

 

[Richo83]

Retrospective views usually lack insight and no, I don't believe you thought that at the time. Carlton had long been bereft of any decent ruck and were clearly just trying to get a couple of blokes who might come through. Hampson was just finished his second season and had played 12 average games and been through injury; Kreuzer was a kid just finished his first year; Jacobs was still a rookie list player - you'd probably never even heard of him - and was not at all ready for senior duties (there is a reason every other club overlooked him in the draft you know).

Getting Warnock was a more than reasonable move at the time considering the glut we'd been through. Back then, senior rucks and KPD's were Carlton biggest need.

You have your facts wrong. Warnock was traded for in the 2009 off-season and started playing for the club in 2010. By the time Warnock had arrived at the club, Kreuzer had finished his second year, not his first, and Hampson was in his third year not his second. And sure, players get injured, but what was the guarantee that Warnock wouldn't get injured either? And I don't understand why Warnock was required when his numbers are equal to or poorer than Hampson and Kreuzer?

 

[Monkey King]

You have your facts wrong. Warnock was traded for in the 2009 off-season and started playing for the club in 2010.

Nope. You've muddled something up here. Warnock was traded to the Blues during the 2008 trade period for pick 24 which the Dockers then used on Nic Suban. Seems you've got a lot of facts mixed up, which is probably why you keep posting the same words "I don't understand"; and I agree with you, clearly you don't understand.

 

[Browne Eye]

The Essendon supporter putting at 5 is really wishful thinking. He has shown glimpses that he could be top 10 but injuty has taken away any chance of consistancy. Nothing wrong with lack of pace if you are quick thinking and make good decisions. He will find it even harder to get played in the midfield with Goodard who is a similar type of player.

I put him at five because I actually really like him as a player. When he's been fully fit and thrown in the middle I love the look of his style. He's not rated because he hasn't been used correctly and has suffered his share of injuries but he has as much potential as basically everyone in this draft barring Cotchin and Dangerfield.

I don't expect to be agreed with but it's my opinion. I think he's got gun ability.

 

[Lunchlady Doris]

Mediocrity? Sheesh. I think quite a few players will overtake Taylor in this draft, lets be honest, yes Taylor is an excellent defender, but he also benefits from such a good team and a good defensive structure.

2 years at Brisbane, where he achieved precisely nothing. 2009 at Carlton where he kicked 25 goals in 19 matches. Tried in defence with minor success, you can not seriously tell me he comes close to Taylor. I can only assume he's been injured for approx 50% of the last 2 seasons. 60 games in 5 seasons.

Taylor has played 112 in the same time, has kicked 11 less career goals despite only playing short periods in a handful of games forward. All Australian defender, shut the most dangerous forward on the ground out of the game in a very tight GF.

Geelong have had 5 years good to great service out of Taylor so far, Henderson has had 5 years of little to nothing. He's already behind, even including 3 years age difference. Happy to revisit in another 10, but it's not going to be close.

The 'good team' bullshit is terribly weak - have heard the same said about every Geelong player over the last 5 years. They can't all be average players getting carried by all the other average players.

 

[Monkey King]

Tried in defence with minor success ...

Nope! Hendo's had more than minor success in defense. Prior to his injury last season, he was most every team on the week-to-week All Australian thread here on BigFooty. Was having a cracking season and showed quite a lot. If you're going to assess the lad, at least do so honestly.

 

[Slattery_20]

David Myers and Brendan Whitecross before Harry Taylor, far out.

Shouldn't be above him (yet, if ever), but Whitecross was very, very, very good until his injury this year.
Deserves to be in the discussion.

 

[Lunchlady Doris]

Nope! Hendo's had more than minor success in defense. Prior to his injury last season, he was most every team on the week-to-week All Australian thread here on BigFooty. Was having a cracking season and showed quite a lot. If you're going to assess the lad, at least do so honestly.

Honestly, I would call getting mentioned by a few Bigfooty posters in a speculative AA thread, but nothing else of note, minor success.

 

[Monkey King]

Honestly, I would call getting mentioned by a few Bigfooty posters in a speculative AA thread, but nothing else of note, minor success.

You can say as you like. I rather gauge minor/major success by onfield deeds and when you were playing as well as Hendo was last season, to claim only minor success would be wrong. I could have told you that straight up, but thought it may be better to point to the raft of nuetral watchers that were noting his form was at an All Australian level. For whatever reason you didn't catch it, but that's not an indictment on Henderson mate.

So hey, I'll just say it straight up ... you got this one wrong. Hendo has had more than minor success as a defneder and you should perhaps watch a bit more of the lad to avoid making similar errors of judgement in the future. It's not needed to talk-down Hendo to pump up Taylor; as Taylor's record stands up well enough for itself. Talking what is obvious smack about the other bloke only weakens your argument IMO.

 

[Lunchlady Doris]

You can say as you like. I rather gauge minor/major success by onfield deeds and when you were playing as well as Hendo was last season, to claim only minor success would be wrong. I could have told you that straight up, but thought it may be better to point to the raft of nuetral watchers that were noting his form was at an All Australian level. For whatever reason you didn't catch it, but that's not an indictment on Henderson mate.

So hey, I'll just say it straight up ... you got this one wrong. Hendo has had more than minor success as a defneder and you should perhaps watch a bit more of the lad to avoid making similar errors of judgement in the future. It's not needed to talk-down Hendo to pump up Taylor; as Taylor's record stands up well enough for itself. Talking what is obvious smack about the other bloke only weakens your argument IMO.

I'm not talking him down. He performed well in 8 (?) games without much fanfare I can see in any media/awards etc. A minor success. Even if they were absolute balltearers - 8 games.

Would you want Carlton to draft Henderson if they had the option of taking Taylor first?

 

[Hard_to_Beat]

I'll take a stab..

1. Cotchin (a supreme competitor with sublime skill, evasiveness and overall game sense. a joy to watch)
2. Dangerfield (explosive beast of a footballer. can turn a game on its head in the blink of an eye)
3. Walker (a true power forward. a brute of a player who, on his day is unstoppable)
4. Rioli (excitement machine. can win a football match in 10 minutes of brilliance)
5. Taylor (so reliable and assured in defence. proven bigtime gun KPD)
6. Selwood (gut running specialist. supreme consistency displayed in 2012. jet)
7. Ward (super consistent. very reliable midfielder)
8. Kreuzer (undeniable talent. not much he can't do. needs time)
9. McEvoy (took his game to the next level in 2012. very mobile ruckman with good skills)
10. Mumford (big bodied ruckman who is ultra competitive. one of my favourites)
11. Rance (underrated athletic KPD who can play on the gorillas and medium forwards)
12. Grimes (needs continuity to sustain. super talent)
13. Thompson (huge fan. has all the tools to be a very good long term KPD)
14. Henderson (super versatile who has ability to play well at both ends of the ground)

Respect.

I'm glad to see some opposition supporters finally acknowledging Scott Thompson.

He was very stiff to miss the AA squad in 2012.

 

[W. Smithers]

1. Trent Cotchin
2. Taylor Walker
3. Patrick Dangerfield
4. Cyril Rioli
5. Shane Mumford
6. Callan Ward
7. Harry Taylor
8. Matthew Kreuzer
9. Scott Selwood
10. Brad Ebert

11. Jack Grimes
12. Alex Rance

It has been said before, but the McMahon trade was an absolute shocker!

Ward was taken with the traded pick, but Richmond would have taken Scott Selwood if they had of held onto it.

 

[Monkey King]

I'm not talking him down. He performed well in 8 (?) games without much fanfare I can see in any media/awards etc. A minor success. Even if they were absolute balltearers - 8 games.

Media fanfare is no measure of success. Hendo has been great down back. No need to downplay that.

Would you want Carlton to draft Henderson if they had the option of taking Taylor first?

Hate to say it, but yep, I'd be up for that completely. Henderson is a forward IMO and he's a pretty good one too. Kicking 25 goals from 19 games as a 20yo CHF in his first year at the club was no mean feat. Hip surgery at the end of that year put paid to his form and when Ratts brought him back proper, he did so in defense, where he has been successful at the back end of last year and had some cracking games this year. Has Taylor performed better overall? Absolutely. Would I argue with anyone selecting him ahead of Henderson? Not for a minute. But with a dose of man-love for my own, I'd venture to say that Hendo has more in front of him than Taylor and would be prepared to bet on it.

 

[Super Hans]

I'd take Dangerfield before Cotchin, both a guns though.

 

[sTeeL]

Geez that would be a hard pick. I'd probably lean towards Dangerfield. Cotchin probably better player but Dangerfields reckless abandon and determination more than makes up for it.

 

[cmndstab]

It would probably depend on what your team needed the most. If you lacked sheer class, you'd take Cotchin. If you needed explosive X-factor, you'd take Dangerfield.

Not that either player lacks in the other's strength anyway! Whichever player you chose, you'd end up with a beauty.

 

[ArjenTheGreat]

Media fanfare is no measure of success. Hendo has been great down back. No need to downplay that.



Hate to say it, but yep, I'd be up for that completely. Henderson is a forward IMO and he's a pretty good one too. Kicking 25 goals from 19 games as a 20yo CHF in his first year at the club was no mean feat. Hip surgery at the end of that year put paid to his form and when Ratts brought him back proper, he did so in defense, where he has been successful at the back end of last year and had some cracking games this year. Has Taylor performed better overall? Absolutely. Would I argue with anyone selecting him ahead of Henderson? Not for a minute. But with a dose of man-love for my own, I'd venture to say that Hendo has more in front of him than Taylor and would be prepared to bet on it.

Henderson is a very good player and I've seen him destroy Drew Petrie, but he isn't better than Harry Taylor, who IMHO proved he was every bit as good a forward during his stints up there this season in addition to being in the top handful of defenders in the comp.

Harry Taylor > Josh Gibson > Jamieson > Henderson is how I see it.

Robbie Tarrant > Hendo as a forward too btw.....

Couldn't have him anywhere near my top 10 players.

 

[Lunchlady Doris]

Media fanfare is no measure of success. Hendo has been great down back. No need to downplay that.

Surely a Brownlow vote, or something in one of the media POTY awards? Laidler got POTY votes early in the year for example, as well as of course Taylor who managed a few of both.

Hate to say it, but yep, I'd be up for that completely. Henderson is a forward IMO and he's a pretty good one too. Kicking 25 goals from 19 games as a 20yo CHF in his first year at the club was no mean feat. Hip surgery at the end of that year put paid to his form and when Ratts brought him back proper, he did so in defense, where he has been successful at the back end of last year and had some cracking games this year. Has Taylor performed better overall? Absolutely. Would I argue with anyone selecting him ahead of Henderson? Not for a minute. But with a dose of man-love for my own, I'd venture to say that Hendo has more in front of him than Taylor and would be prepared to bet on it.

Henderson would need a lot more in front of him, to make up the healthy lead that Taylor has. He would need to perform better than Taylor has for a good few seasons.