Draft Review 2008 - Re-do the 2008 draft

[daniel23]

Zac clarke over naitanui is the biggest lol ever.

you my friend are just an ignorant typical eagles supporter, firstly naitanui even making last years all australian was almost as bad as eagles being predicted to finish first this year, he may be influential in the ruck but during the play he is virtually unseen which is hard to believe, im not fooled but his once a game big leap or mark

career stats
naitanui 88 games 12.1 disposals 2.1 marks 20.4 h.o 3.6 tackels 0.7 goals
zac clarke who is finally being used as a ruckman number 1 ruck , but his overall stats are still comparable
clarke 50 games (will b even better with another 38 games ) 12.3 disposals 3.6 marks 22.1 hitouts( 2013) 3.7 tackles 0.6 goals

 

[raffrox]

Very good draft for the Dockers, must say it's about time they got something right other then Pavlich pick.

I had to check the date on this post to make sure it wasn't made in 2006.

 

[Masto]

you my friend are just an ignorant typical eagles supporter, firstly naitanui even making last years all australian was almost as bad as eagles being predicted to finish first this year, he may be influential in the ruck but during the play he is virtually unseen which is hard to believe, im not fooled but his once a game big leap or mark

career stats
naitanui 88 games 12.1 disposals 2.1 marks 20.4 h.o 3.6 tackels 0.7 goals
zac clarke who is finally being used as a ruckman number 1 ruck , but his overall stats are still comparable
clarke 50 games (will b even better with another 38 games ) 12.3 disposals 3.6 marks 22.1 hitouts( 2013) 3.7 tackles 0.6 goals

I like Zac Clarke but to say he has more runs on the board is absurd. Naitanui will also be better after another 38 games. Your arguments make no sense.

 

[Patron]

you my friend are just an ignorant typical eagles supporter, firstly naitanui even making last years all australian was almost as bad as eagles being predicted to finish first this year, he may be influential in the ruck but during the play he is virtually unseen which is hard to believe, im not fooled but his once a game big leap or mark

career stats
naitanui 88 games 12.1 disposals 2.1 marks 20.4 h.o 3.6 tackels 0.7 goals
zac clarke who is finally being used as a ruckman number 1 ruck , but his overall stats are still comparable
clarke 50 games (will b even better with another 38 games ) 12.3 disposals 3.6 marks 22.1 hitouts( 2013) 3.7 tackles 0.6 goals

You are so alone here on this line of thinking. Do a poll on the polls board.

 

[daniel23]

You are so alone here on this line of thinking. Do a poll on the polls board.[/quote



could not care it's just how i see it i rate clarke higher then naitanui comparisons are always being made between players and i think clarke will be better player , knows where to run around the ground and if used as number one ruck provides just as much as naitanui does in the ruck, not saying i wouldn't love to have naitanui in my team just think he is very overated

 

[Yoda_]

Personally feel that Sloane and Hill are a touch too high. But gee that list certainly has some talent. Great draft.

I'd agree with that, but he has arguably been the Crows best midfielder this year.

 

[Yoda_]

Dockers SMASHED this draft.

3. Stephen Hill
21. Hayden Ballantyne
24. Nick Suban
37. Zac Clarke
53. Michael Walters

RD. Clancee Pearce
RD. Matt De Boer

All EASILY in our best 22. Zac Clarke is really starting to develop into something pretty exciting.

I remember people saying at the time that Balantyne was taken too high because the Eagles had interest in him too, but no one expected him to become one of the best small forwards in the comp by this stage, 5 years on.

Some inspired picks late there too hey (Walters, Pearce in particular)

 

[Wee Jessies]

Ruck Z Clarke, Hanneberry, Sloane
Centre Redden, Beams, Broadbent
Forwards Ballantyne, McKernan, Motlop
Halffwds Zaharakis, Stanley, Shiels
Backs Suban, J Roughhead, Hunt
Halfbacks Wright, Trengove, Robinson
Int Jones, Anthony, Smith, Banfield

I made this team using just the second and third rounds, where would it finish next season? Quality on all lines and it ignores the whole first round and guys like Rockliff and Walters.

I reckon it gives the top 8 a serious shake.

 

[placebo]

you my friend are just an ignorant typical eagles supporter, firstly naitanui even making last years all australian was almost as bad as eagles being predicted to finish first this year

Oh this old line. I would be surprised it hadn't died out by now, if it wasn't for the fact that people's lack of football knowledge never surprises me. If you would like to go on and demonstrate why Naitanui winning the AA was a mistake or bad or why he was significantly behind the other candidates, then please do go ahead, using facts, logic, reason and an understanding of Australian Rules Football. I'm sure you'll have no problem doing this, although you'll be the first person on this entire forum who has actually managed to pull that argument off (a ton have failed, miserably)...

But hey, I'm sure you've got in you. I look forward to seeing your argument

 

[placebo]

Is Nic NAt still being rated off potential?

Because as great as his highlight real is, he has not been consistent from game to game let alone quarter to quarter in games.

He should take over the nick Flash from Davey as in Flash' in and out of games.

Wow. One of the best (if not the best) ruckmen last year...and you're telling me he is still a highlight reel. Wow, if that's the case, when he stops being a 'highlight reel', I guess he'd probably be one of the greatest rucks of the modern era then (*waits for someone to totally misinterpret this line and lose their shit*) Seriously dude, rated off potential? Get out of 2009.

 

[Patron]

Ruck Z Clarke, Hanneberry, Sloane
Centre Redden, Beams, Broadbent
Forwards Ballantyne, McKernan, Motlop
Halffwds Zaharakis, Stanley, Shiels
Backs Suban, J Roughhead, Hunt
Halfbacks Wright, Trengove, Robinson
Int Jones, Anthony, Smith, Banfield

I made this team using just the second and third rounds, where would it finish next season? Quality on all lines and it ignores the whole first round and guys like Rockliff and Walters.

I reckon it gives the top 8 a serious shake.

It needs the first round for KPP. But that would be one of the better midfields in the comp even without the first rounders, ziebell, rich, hartlett etc.

 

[Wee Jessies]

It needs the first round for KPP. But that would be one of the better midfields in the comp even without the first rounders, ziebell, rich, hartlett etc.

Next year McKernan, Trengove, Roughhead and Stanley (L Jones) will all start to hit their peaks as KPP and are already pretty good players. Fremantle are top four and have played with two good KPP most of the year. I would take that side over any of the bottom three teams which from a group of 32 players after the first round is quite extraordinary. 2008 draft is the reincarnation of 2001 at this point and might just overtake it on depth.

 

[loki04]

Wow. One of the best (if not the best) ruckmen last year...and you're telling me he is still a highlight reel. Wow, if that's the case, when he stops being a 'highlight reel', I guess he'd probably be one of the greatest rucks of the modern era then (*waits for someone to totally misinterpret this line and lose their shit*) Seriously dude, rated off potential? Get out of 2009.

Fair chance he will be.

Imo he still goes missing during games for periods, undoubted talent and at his best is clearly the best ruck in the league but he still has parts of his game he needs to work on. Like getting more ball around the ground, kicking more goals when forward and defending his opponents when in the ruck.

 

[Patron]

Next year McKernan, Trengove, Roughhead and Stanley (L Jones) will all start to hit their peaks as KPP and are already pretty good players. Fremantle are top four and have played with two good KPP most of the year. I would take that side over any of the bottom three teams which from a group of 32 players after the first round is quite extraordinary. 2008 draft is the reincarnation of 2001 at this point and might just overtake it on depth.

I think it will have better depth definitely. But i don't think it will produce as many brownlows. Won't have the same level top end talent i don't think. Unless NN, beams, sloane and co really push on.

 

[Patty_Moz]

Just a comparison of NN's AA 2012 year to Zac's 2013 so far:
2012 stats
naitanui 22 games 13.0 disposals 3.0 marks 24.7 h.o 3.4 tackels 1.1 goals
2013 stats
clarke 14 games 14.5 disposals 4.4 marks 22.1 hitouts( 2013) 3.2 tackles 0.6 goals

There's a lot of hype about how fantastic NN is (and I do agree to an extent) but I do think its overblown at times. If NN had had the year Clarke has had I'm sure he'd probably be AA again.

AA or no AA I don't really care but I really rate Clarke as one of the best mobile ruckmen going around and think he will be very important for us in the finals.

 

[Moo]

NN is an astonishing athlete however the gap between Clarke and him has narrowed significantly.

Clarke will be our #1 ruck moving forward, and is currently in career best form. A gifted runner and whilst not as explosive as NN - I'd back him to have the bigger motor of the two.

Do this exercise in 2015 - it would not shock me in the slightest if Clarke has moved above NN.

 

[DivideandMultiply]

NN is an astonishing athlete however the gap between Clarke and him has narrowed significantly.

Clarke will be our #1 ruck moving forward, and is currently in career best form. A gifted runner and whilst not as explosive as NN - I'd back him to have the bigger motor of the two.

Do this exercise in 2015 - it would not shock me in the slightest if Clarke has moved above NN.

It would shock me.

The only thing I can see that would make this even remotely possible, is injury.

 

[DivideandMultiply]

Just a comparison of NN's AA 2012 year to Zac's 2013 so far:
2012 stats
naitanui 22 games 13.0 disposals 3.0 marks 24.7 h.o 3.4 tackels 1.1 goals
2013 stats
clarke 14 games 14.5 disposals 4.4 marks 22.1 hitouts( 2013) 3.2 tackles 0.6 goals

There's a lot of hype about how fantastic NN is (and I do agree to an extent) but I do think its overblown at times. If NN had had the year Clarke has had I'm sure he'd probably be AA again.

AA or no AA I don't really care but I really rate Clarke as one of the best mobile ruckmen going around and think he will be very important for us in the finals.

Not even slightly true.

Where NN differentiates himself is both in terms of the volume of scoring opportunities, generated from his ruck work and number of clearances he gains or contributes to.

People have done the statistical breakdowns before, likewise the oft quoted CD graphic, not to mention the AA was hardly an anomaly given his performance in other metrics and awards.

 

[Moo]

It would shock me.

The only thing I can see that would make this even remotely possible, is injury.

Here's a hint don't compare Zac with Nic Nat as a 23 year old - compare him with a 23 year old Dean Cox.

Disposals/Marks/hit outs about the same......Clarke 0.5 goals up and double the tackles.

Clarke is 10 kg down as well....just saying.

My guess is at the close of their careers - Cox will have them both covered.

 

[DivideandMultiply]

My guess is at the close of their careers - Cox will have them both covered.

My guess is at the close of the careers, of every young ruckman currently on an AFL list - Cox will have them covered.

6 AA's is no small feat for the very best midfielders, let alone a ruckman.

NN has a chance of reaching higher heights, but I don't know if he will have the same durability.

How I rate current young ruck prospects (that I have seen), in terms of potential:

NN
Nicholls
Grundy
Clarke
Smith
Lycett

NN is far and away the best performed of the lot. The hype/inconsistent claptrap is just that. Incredibly rare for a 22 to 23 year old ruckman to win an AA, even rarer one who seems to still have absolutely enormous scope left to improve.

 

[Moo]

My guess is at the close of the careers, of every young ruckman currently on an AFL list - Cox will have them covered.

6 AA's is no small feat for the very best midfielders, let alone a ruckman.

NN has a chance of reaching higher heights, but I don't know if he will have the same durability.

How I rate current young ruck prospects (that I have seen), in terms of potential:

NN
Nicholls
Grundy
Clarke
Smith
Lycett

NN is far and away the best performed of the lot. The hype/inconsistent claptrap is just that. Incredibly rare for a 22 to 23 year old ruckman to win an AA, even rarer one who seems to still have absolutely enormous scope left to improve.

Just out of interest how do you rate current top 5 rucks in the league

 

[loki04]

My guess is at the close of the careers, of every young ruckman currently on an AFL list - Cox will have them covered.

6 AA's is no small feat for the very best midfielders, let alone a ruckman.

NN has a chance of reaching higher heights, but I don't know if he will have the same durability.

How I rate current young ruck prospects (that I have seen), in terms of potential:

NN
Nicholls
Grundy
Clarke
Smith
Lycett

NN is far and away the best performed of the lot. The hype/inconsistent claptrap is just that. Incredibly rare for a 22 to 23 year old ruckman to win an AA, even rarer one who seems to still have absolutely enormous scope left to improve.

LMAO nice comparison to a 5 gamer and 1st year player.

Grundy has shown every bit the promise NN did in his 1st games (in different ways).

NN in an "AA" year ave 13 disposals this is where he is inconsistent.

 

[DivideandMultiply]

Just out of interest how do you rate current top 5 rucks in the league

I can't accurately, given injuries, dips in form and the current seeming change of guard taking place.

2013 hasn't been a great year for ruckmen.

I think Minson has been the clear standout, with Goldstein trailing in second.

If I was to predict an injury free run and maybe normalise the players form my top rated for 2014 at a guess would be NN, Minson/Cox, Goldstein, Griffen (really rate him), Ryder and Leuenberger. All of Pyke, Clarke, Nicholls and Kreuzer could jump up those rankings, with Jacobs and Marich again finding form, likewise a fit Giles. Looks like there is a lot of talent there, unfortunately most have experienced injury trouble in the last two seasons.

I think if WC play well in 2014, Cox will surprise again, however he and Minson are every chance to experience complications due to age. Also with Minson it seems every season there is a decent ruck who elevates himself only to drop back to the pack in following seasons. McIntosh, Mumford, Goldstein, Clark, Jamar, Petrie, Jacobs and Maric have all experienced this.

From the last 10ish years, probably only Cox, Sandilands, Lade and Gardiner dominated with great consistency and even then injury still played a big factor.

I guess it really puts the dominance of Cox and to a lesser degree Sandilands into perspective.

 

[DivideandMultiply]

LMAO nice comparison to a 5 gamer and 1st year player.

Grundy has shown every bit the promise NN did in his 1st games (in different ways).

NN in an "AA" year ave 13 disposals this is where he is inconsistent.

Question, have you ever posted something of merit?

13 disposals is not unusual for a top ruckman, in fact players like Cox are the exception. In 2013 Minson averaged 14.2, Goldstein 11.9. In 2012 Jacobs averaged 13.4 and so on. He also does a lot with his possessions and based on 2012, more than any other ruckman for that year (creating scoring chains, taps leading to scores from stoppages etc.).

Excluding 2013 because of injury, NN has improved significantly each season. Based on his raw attributes he also has exceptional scope.There was nothing inconsistent about his 2012, where he not only gained the AA jumper, but was the highest CD ranked ruckman, had the most Brownlow votes, 2nd in the coaches votes, ranked 1 by the AFL and led a number of media awards for ruckman.

Grundy looks very good, however when not directly comparing players, but instead making an assessment of those listed based potential I still list NN at the top.

 

[The Finger]

Question, have you ever posted something of merit?

13 disposals is not unusual for a top ruckman, in fact players like Cox are the exception. In 2013 Minson averaged 14.2, Goldstein 11.9. In 2012 Jacobs averaged 13.4 and so on. He also does a lot with his possessions and based on 2012, more than any other ruckman for that year (creating scoring chains, taps leading to scores from stoppages etc.).

Excluding 2013 because of injury, NN has improved significantly each season. Based on his raw attributes he also has exceptional scope.There was nothing inconsistent about his 2012, where he not only gained the AA jumper, but was the highest CD ranked ruckman, had the most Brownlow votes, 2nd in the coaches votes, ranked 1 by the AFL and led a number of media awards for ruckman.

Grundy looks very good, however when not directly comparing players, but instead making an assessment of those listed based potential I still list NN at the top.

Grundy also plays as the number one ruckman which means his numbers should be higher than some sharing the role. No wonder NN averaged 13 a game he is sharing ruck duties.