Draft Review 2008 - Re-do the 2008 draft

[Elite Crow]

I like your Rockliff and Sloane selections. Luke Shuey and Daniel Rich should be in the top 10. Jack Watts shouldn't be anywhere near the top 10. Neither should Davis yet. Would have Sidebottom at 3 and Beams a bit lower. The Keefe selection is a joke surely.

If Davis was playing at the Crows he would justify his place. He is in a side that gets thumped every week with very little defensive support. If he was with the Crows he would be killing it this year.

 

[4#Didak#4]

Basically if I was drafting today for this year there is only a handful that can be considered for number one based on performance so far (in no particular order):
Redden, Rockliff, Beams, Sidebottom, Shuey, Sloane. These guys have all impacted games regularly.

On potential there is long list. For me at this stage of the game to be picked on potential you have to have a big upside yet to come - not many fall into that category. Generally that will be the big fellas who develop slowly. Nic Nat of course who is also starting to perform regularly, Hurley is an obvious one and Phil Davis needs a mention too. Yarran, Watts, Hill etc. will be good players, but they will not be top notch mids or dominant KPPs.

I would expect that Nic Nat & Hurley would go 1,2 in a real draft as genuine KPs in Hurley are hard to find and Nic Nat is just a freak one of a kind. Then the mids would fill the rest of the placings with Beams the stand out mid who can play inside & out as well as hit the scoreboard.

So my 10 would be (grouping the ones that are line ball - I have a clear top 3!):
#1 Nic Nat

#2 Hurley

#3 Beams

#4 Rockliff
#5 Sidebottom
#6 Shuey

#7 Redden
#8 Sloane
#9 Davis

#10 Hanneberry

 

[Dwight Schrute]

Basically if I was drafting today for this year there is only a handful that can be considered for number one based on performance so far (in no particular order):
Redden, Rockliff, Beams, Sidebottom, Shuey, Sloane. These guys have all impacted games regularly.

No way.

 

[Ambrosia]

Basically if I was drafting today for this year there is only a handful that can be considered for number one based on performance so far (in no particular order):
Redden, Rockliff, Beams, Sidebottom, Shuey, Sloane. These guys have all impacted games regularly.

On potential there is long list. For me at this stage of the game to be picked on potential you have to have a big upside yet to come - not many fall into that category. Generally that will be the big fellas who develop slowly. Nic Nat of course who is also starting to perform regularly, Hurley is an obvious one and Phil Davis needs a mention too. Yarran, Watts, Hill etc. will be good players, but they will not be top notch mids or dominant KPPs.

I would expect that Nic Nat & Hurley would go 1,2 in a real draft as genuine KPs in Hurley are hard to find and Nic Nat is just a freak one of a kind. Then the mids would fill the rest of the placings with Beams the stand out mid who can play inside & out as well as hit the scoreboard.

So my 10 would be (grouping the ones that are line ball - I have a clear top 3!):
#1 Nic Nat

#2 Hurley

#3 Beams

#4 Rockliff
#5 Sidebottom
#6 Shuey

#7 Redden
#8 Sloane
#9 Davis

#10 Hanneberry

I personally would at least bump Beams up with Hurley and probably ahead. Reason being that Hurley contested marking has really suffered since suffering the scaphoid injury. Also I would swap Hannebry for Zaharakis and move him up into the group with Redden and Sloane. That might be my bias though

 

[4#Didak#4]

No way.

I will let the Asdelaide supporters defend Sloane, but he flies under the radar a bit. If you step back and compare his season with some of the others he compares favourably with some upside to come.

 

[4#Didak#4]

I personally would at least bump Beams up with Hurley and probably ahead. Reason being that Hurley contested marking has really suffered since suffering the scaphoid injury. Also I would swap Hannebry for Zaharakis and move him up into the group with Redden and Sloane. That might be my bias though

Fair call on Zaha, on performance he probably should be ahead of Hannabury. But I think due to injury & Sydney's experienced mids we haven't seen the best of him. That game a few weeks ago against WC is all I needed to remind me he will be a jet.

Also Hartlett is probably one I forgot about, lots of injuries but he could be anything - Adelaide based players are forgottten for some reason.

 

[Old Skool]

It will be the physical players that can find the ball and have a half decent skill set that will be the best players from this draft.

Hurley (eventually)
Rockliff
Hartlett
Ziebell
Sloane
Davis
Hanneberry

These are the players that can win premierships.

 

[Lockyer24]

You make a good case for Beams and Sidebottom 1-2 then

 

[Old Skool]

Not quite what I was referring to, and Sidebottom has more than a touch of seagull about him.

 

[Magpie Since 1986]

It will be the physical players that can find the ball and have a half decent skill set that will be the best players from this draft.

Hurley (eventually)
Rockliff
Hartlett
Ziebell
Sloane
Davis
Hanneberry

These are the players that can win premierships.

Here is a list of players from that draft that have been in the top 2 in the Norm Smith polling in a winning grand final:

Sidebottom

 

[longdaveyjetta]

I'm not sure I see much that would make me take Beams over Hartlett or Ziebell to be honest... he certainly lives an easy life in Collingwood's midfield.

Where would you put Watts in the top 10 now?
Go on give us your top ten, I could do with a laugh....
Last year you were trying to justify him at pick 1, still feel that way??
BTW have you seen Syrus has dumped Melbum, check out his sig....

 

[ThePuppetMaster]

Where would you put Watts in the top 10 now?
Go on give us your top ten, I could do with a laugh....
Last year you were trying to justify him at pick 1, still feel that way??
BTW have you seen Syrus has dumped Melbum, check out his sig....

Watts is fine, he probably won't be the best player from the draft - but he's still performing better than most of the top ten this year and he's going to be a very good player for a long time at Melbourne.

How's Michael 'Chubbs' Hurley going? He's had a pretty good year...

 

[Old Skool]

Here is a list of players from that draft that have been in the top 2 in the Norm Smith polling in a winning grand final:

Sidebottom

He was the icing on a cake baked by others. Nothing more.

 

[Number 10]

It will be the physical players that can find the ball and have a half decent skill set that will be the best players from this draft.

Hurley (eventually)
Rockliff
Hartlett
Ziebell
Sloane
Davis
Hanneberry

These are the players that can win premierships.

Deliberately leaving out the only 2 who have won a premiership from that draft. Interesting. So, you don't think Beame or Sidebottom can find their own ball, nor do they have a half decent skill set??
Wow, you mustn't watch much football.

Beams and Steele are 6th and 13th respectively for disposals this season with 489 and 443 - both have also missed a game each. This would suggest that they can "find the ball". Not only this, but Beams averages 10.6 CP a game out of 30 and Steele 9.2 out of 27. Ziebell averages 10.6 out of 19 but if he had the endurance of Steele or speed of Beams he might be able to get a few more on the spread - he is afterall only going at 61% disposal efficiency, whilst Steele is going at 75% and Beams at 74%. In fact, they have the best disposal efficiency out of all of the above mentioned.

So in conclusion - Beams and Steele find the ball more often and use it much better than all of the above mentioned players. But, according to you they can't find it and they don't have a half decent skill set. Go figure.

And, finally - don't be silly, Ziebell won't win you a premiership because you will never make one in his career.

Not quite what I was referring to, and Sidebottom has more than a touch of seagull about him.

Elite endurance running does not = seagull. Every 3rd possession of his is contested and if you watch him play he goes in very hard at packs.

He was the icing on a cake baked by others. Nothing more.

Now, you are just making a fool of yourself. I take it that you didn't watch the game as Sidebottom was best on ground with Pendlebury - not sure what that means to you but generally it would mean he and Pendlebury were the players who got us the win and were henceforth more influencial than any other player on the ground.

Now tell us again why Sidebottom and Beams do not have the capacity to win a premiership?

 

[Dwight Schrute]

Watts is fine, he probably won't be the best player from the draft - but he's still performing better than most of the top ten this year and he's going to be a very good player for a long time at Melbourne.

How's Michael 'Chubbs' Hurley going? He's had a pretty good year...

Injury stopped him from continuing his great form. Had consecutive bags of 5 and 6 something Watts will never do. The thing is that even though Hurley is forward at the moment he could easily move down back and do twice as good a job as Watts has been doing.

 

[ThePuppetMaster]

Injury stopped him from continuing his great form. Had consecutive bags of 5 and 6 something Watts will never do. The thing is that even though Hurley is forward at the moment he could easily move down back and do twice as good a job as Watts has been doing.

Hurley had two great games for the year, every other game he played was below average.

I'm a fan of Hurley but he'll never have the athleticism or skill of Watts; you'll just have to live with it.

Just like I'll have to live with the fact that Watts won't ever have Hurley's manic aggression.

 

[BrownPearHookers]

Hurley had two great games for the year, every other game he played was below average.

I'm a fan of Hurley but he'll never have the athleticism or skill of Watts; you'll just have to live with it.

Just like I'll have to live with the fact that Watts won't ever have Hurley's manic aggression.

Luckily for Essendon Daniher has both covered in lots of areas.
- Marking - Longest kick - Height - and kicks bags of goals naturally.

 

[Ambrosia]

Hurley had two great games for the year, every other game he played was below average.

I'm a fan of Hurley but he'll never have the athleticism or skill of Watts; you'll just have to live with it.

Just like I'll have to live with the fact that Watts won't ever have Hurley's manic aggression.

I thought as a Watts fan you would use something other than the goal tally to judge a players game.

 

[kaiserchief13]

It will be the physical players that can find the ball and have a half decent skill set that will be the best players from this draft.

Hurley (eventually)
Rockliff
Hartlett
Ziebell
Sloane
Davis
Hanneberry

These are the players that can win premierships.

No Naitanui? Haha.

 

[Silvagnis]

Basically if I was drafting today for this year there is only a handful that can be considered for number one based on performance so far (in no particular order):
Redden, Rockliff, Beams, Sidebottom, Shuey, Sloane. These guys have all impacted games regularly.

On potential there is long list. For me at this stage of the game to be picked on potential you have to have a big upside yet to come - not many fall into that category. Generally that will be the big fellas who develop slowly. Nic Nat of course who is also starting to perform regularly, Hurley is an obvious one and Phil Davis needs a mention too. Yarran, Watts, Hill etc. will be good players, but they will not be top notch mids or dominant KPPs.

I would expect that Nic Nat & Hurley would go 1,2 in a real draft as genuine KPs in Hurley are hard to find and Nic Nat is just a freak one of a kind. Then the mids would fill the rest of the placings with Beams the stand out mid who can play inside & out as well as hit the scoreboard.

So my 10 would be (grouping the ones that are line ball - I have a clear top 3!):
#1 Nic Nat

#2 Hurley

#3 Beams

#4 Rockliff
#5 Sidebottom
#6 Shuey

#7 Redden
#8 Sloane
#9 Davis

#10 Hanneberry

Then I'm glad you didn't pick for Carlton four years ago.

Yarran will go into the midfield down the track. He's too good to leave as a defender for the rest of his career. Even a player as small as Garlett has gone into the midfield and won clearances in the last two weeks. It was Yarran who did the hard to work to clear it from Richmond's forwardline and get the ball into our half of the ground. The back flanker put Collingwood to the sword as Sidebottom chased him like he was Mclean. Better skill set than nearly all of these players.

 

[kaiserchief13]

Then I'm glad you didn't pick for Carlton four years ago.

Yarran will go into the midfield down the track. He's too good to leave as a defender for the rest of his career. Even a player as small as Garlett has gone into the midfield and won clearances in the last two weeks. It was Yarran who did the hard to work to clear it from Richmond's forwardline and get the ball into our half of the ground. The back flanker put Collingwood to the sword as Sidebottom chased him like he was Mclean. Better skill set than nearly all of these players.

Yarran is a receiver. You wouldn't pick a receiver over players that have skill and can win the hardball just because he's got more leg speed than them.

 

[Tulip]

I thought as a Watts fan you would use something other than the goal tally to judge a players game.

Not when you're being played as a key forward. Its a serious blight on Watts that he isn't playing there like Hurley is. The thing about Jack that I like is that he's one of the best at what he does; that 'quarterback' role. Better than Bryce Gibbs anyway.

 

[ThePuppetMaster]

I thought as a Watts fan you would use something other than the goal tally to judge a players game.

Meh, the Hurley I've watched this year bar the Freo and Bulldogs game really struggled for whatever reason.

He'll be a quality player but he was having a very average year.

 

[ThePuppetMaster]

Not when you're being played as a key forward. Its a serious blight on Watts that he isn't playing there like Hurley is. The thing about Jack that I like is that he's one of the best at what he does; that 'quarterback' role. Better than Bryce Gibbs anyway.

Good footy is good footy, better to be playing good footy in role you can play now than poor footy in a role you aren't ready for.

 

[Old Skool]

Deliberately leaving out the only 2 who have won a premiership from that draft.

I was referring to players that would provide the impetus to win premierships, not just be mere participants in a premiership.

....and please don't go pulling out Sidebottom's stats from the 2010 grand final.

People with a proper understanding of football will know what I mean.

Yarran is a receiver. You wouldn't pick a receiver over players that have skill and can win the hardball just because he's got more leg speed than them.

Correct.

Yarran is icing.