Draft Review 2008 - Re-do the 2008 draft

[Honeyboy Wilson]

I'd go with:

1. Nic Naitanui (When Dean Cox retires this guy will take over as the face of the league the no.1 player in the comp)
2. Michael Hurley (Considering what he has done shouldn't be this high, but I expect him to develop into a top 3 KPF)
3. Dayne Beams (Has been Collingwood's best midfielder this year. Reads the ruck taps as well as any in the comp)
4. Steele Sidebottom (Like Beams has had a serious season and has rivaled Swan and Pendlebury with form)
5. Tom Rockliff (Ball magnet and scary player. Midfield, forward. Doesn't matter. Like Swan will find it anywhere)
6. Phil Davis (Assumed a VIC club and he stays. I expect he will develop into a top 3 league key defender)
7. Rory Sloane (Gets better every year and love his tackling game)
8. Jack Redden (Tackling machine and undervalued mid)
-- Call me crazy but I'll go with the two others few if any will include but I expect in 2-3 years time will be in the conversation as being among the very best in the 2008 draft --
9. Jack Watts (I still have faith that he will still develop... into a key defender. Not a guy you rate up to this point and hasn't done anything yet but I'm confident in 10 years time he will still go down as a very, very good player)
10. Lachlan Keeffe (The guy hasn't even played 15 games but that doesn't matter. Assuming he comes back healthy from his knee reco I expect Keeffe to go down as one of the very best from this draft. Call it bias, call it watching the team every week but up until injury Keeffe was BY A LONG WAY Collingwood's most reliable key defender (yes better than Reid, Tarrant and Brown - by a LONG SHOT) and won just about every matchup he encountered. To put this in context I had him in my top 5 for the Collingwood B+F up until injury so if he can build upon and improve upon the form he showed this year I think he can be the next Dustin Fletcher in this league. Time and time again from the most unlikely positions he gets his long arms in when you think he just has no right to and looks to have completely lost the contest. One I expect in 2-3 years time will have people talking assuming healthy)

What have Davis and Keeffe done that Trengove hasn't? Just out of curiosity. I mean, Trengove's a best & fairest winner.

 

[POBT]

I'd go with:

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5. Tom Rockliff (Ball magnet and scary player. Midfield, forward. Doesn't matter. Like Swan will find it anywhere)

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8. Jack Redden (Tackling machine and undervalued mid)

At the end of last year, I would have had Redden and Rockliff well ahead of Rich. Rich has closed the gap though - I'd certainly have him ahead of Redden and potentially Rockliff too. Doesn't get the stats of the others but the quality of his touches is first class. He's winning clearances and getting more of the ball outside. In short, he's having a very good year.

 

[Masto]

I'd go with:

1. Nic Naitanui (When Dean Cox retires this guy will take over as the face of the league the no.1 player in the comp)
2. Michael Hurley (Considering what he has done shouldn't be this high, but I expect him to develop into a top 3 KPF)
3. Dayne Beams (Has been Collingwood's best midfielder this year. Reads the ruck taps as well as any in the comp)
4. Steele Sidebottom (Like Beams has had a serious season and has rivaled Swan and Pendlebury with form)
5. Tom Rockliff (Ball magnet and scary player. Midfield, forward. Doesn't matter. Like Swan will find it anywhere)
6. Phil Davis (Assumed a VIC club and he stays. I expect he will develop into a top 3 league key defender)
7. Rory Sloane (Gets better every year and love his tackling game)
8. Jack Redden (Tackling machine and undervalued mid)
-- Call me crazy but I'll go with the two others few if any will include but I expect in 2-3 years time will be in the conversation as being among the very best in the 2008 draft --
9. Jack Watts (I still have faith that he will still develop... into a key defender. Not a guy you rate up to this point and hasn't done anything yet but I'm confident in 10 years time he will still go down as a very, very good player)
10. Lachlan Keeffe (The guy hasn't even played 15 games but that doesn't matter. Assuming he comes back healthy from his knee reco I expect Keeffe to go down as one of the very best from this draft. Call it bias, call it watching the team every week but up until injury Keeffe was BY A LONG WAY Collingwood's most reliable key defender (yes better than Reid, Tarrant and Brown - by a LONG SHOT) and won just about every matchup he encountered. To put this in context I had him in my top 5 for the Collingwood B+F up until injury so if he can build upon and improve upon the form he showed this year I think he can be the next Dustin Fletcher in this league. Time and time again from the most unlikely positions he gets his long arms in when you think he just has no right to and looks to have completely lost the contest. One I expect in 2-3 years time will have people talking assuming healthy)

I like your Rockliff and Sloane selections. Luke Shuey and Daniel Rich should be in the top 10. Jack Watts shouldn't be anywhere near the top 10. Neither should Davis yet. Would have Sidebottom at 3 and Beams a bit lower. The Keefe selection is a joke surely.

 

[wallycleaver]

I like your Rockliff and Sloane selections. Luke Shuey and Daniel Rich should be in the top 10. Jack Watts shouldn't be anywhere near the top 10. Neither should Davis yet. Would have Sidebottom at 3 and Beams a bit lower. The Keefe selection is a joke surely.

There should have been list managers sacked over Sloane and Rockliff. Sloane at forty something and Rockliff 5 in preseason draft? Every team past on Rockcliff three or four times. Had a great year in TAC, then Carlton draft a kid from the same team who from memory never played a senior game with Northern Bullants before being delisted after his two years.

 

[cotter101]

At the end of last year, I would have had Redden and Rockliff well ahead of Rich. Rich has closed the gap though - I'd certainly have him ahead of Redden and potentially Rockliff too. Doesn't get the stats of the others but the quality of his touches is first class. He's winning clearances and getting more of the ball outside. In short, he's having a very good year.

Good post. Rich is certainly having his best year yet and he will only get better IMO.

 

[The Bomb]

I would still take Hartlett at 3, he is a weapon

 

[Silvagnis]

It's a re-draft - I think the other players have higher ceilings. My personal bookmark for 5years time.

If you're talking about higher ceilings, then your top ten needs more Yarran. Pure silk.

Please let him loose on a wing.

I'd go with:

1. Nic Naitanui
2. Michael Hurley
3. Dayne Beams
4. Steele Sidebottom
5. Tom Rockliff
6. Phil Davis
7. Rory Sloane
8. Jack Redden
9. Jack Watts
10. Lachlan Keeffe

Thanks Derek.

 

[Pat_Footy]

Keefe in the top 10 is crazy. A good solid player but no club is ever going to pick him in front of Zaharakis and Shuey, or even Ziebul and Hill.

Keefe isn't top 10... Obviously the poster just wanted to throw another Collingwood player in the ten. Beams and Sidebottom are also way too high on his list. Just a ridiculous draft that would never happen

 

[ThePuppetMaster]

Eh?

Someone had a different opinion to you - let's all have a cry.

 

[Sidebottom2Beams]

Keefe isn't top 10... Obviously the poster just wanted to throw another Collingwood player in the ten. Beams and Sidebottom are also way too high on his list. Just a ridiculous draft that would never happen

Why who should be above Beams and Sidebottom the only one with any valid claim would be Rockliff

 

[Pat_Footy]

Why who should be above Beams and Sidebottom the only one with any valid claim would be Rockliff

It's a draft though. Although Beams has definitely grown his stocks, would teams really pick him over hill? please.... Had Hill been recruited by Collingwood, he would have been talked up as one of the best mids of all time. Even Hartlett is an absolute gun. Just because they are playing for average teams with no support does not mean they shouldn't have been recruited early.

 

[cotter101]

Why who should be above Beams and Sidebottom the only one with any valid claim would be Rockliff

Not many would be.

My opinion one top 10 based on a mix of output and potential

1.Nic Nat
2.Beams
3.Rockliff
4.Hurley
5.Harlett
6.Rich
7.Redden
8.Shuey
9.Sloane
10.Sidebottom

Very good top 10 and very hard to sort out.

 

[cotter101]

I'd go with:

1. Nic Naitanui (When Dean Cox retires this guy will take over as the face of the league the no.1 player in the comp)
2. Michael Hurley (Considering what he has done shouldn't be this high, but I expect him to develop into a top 3 KPF)
3. Dayne Beams (Has been Collingwood's best midfielder this year. Reads the ruck taps as well as any in the comp)
4. Steele Sidebottom (Like Beams has had a serious season and has rivaled Swan and Pendlebury with form)
5. Tom Rockliff (Ball magnet and scary player. Midfield, forward. Doesn't matter. Like Swan will find it anywhere)
6. Phil Davis (Assumed a VIC club and he stays. I expect he will develop into a top 3 league key defender)
7. Rory Sloane (Gets better every year and love his tackling game)
8. Jack Redden (Tackling machine and undervalued mid)
-- Call me crazy but I'll go with the two others few if any will include but I expect in 2-3 years time will be in the conversation as being among the very best in the 2008 draft --
9. Jack Watts (I still have faith that he will still develop... into a key defender. Not a guy you rate up to this point and hasn't done anything yet but I'm confident in 10 years time he will still go down as a very, very good player)
10. Lachlan Keeffe (The guy hasn't even played 15 games but that doesn't matter. Assuming he comes back healthy from his knee reco I expect Keeffe to go down as one of the very best from this draft. Call it bias, call it watching the team every week but up until injury Keeffe was BY A LONG WAY Collingwood's most reliable key defender (yes better than Reid, Tarrant and Brown - by a LONG SHOT) and won just about every matchup he encountered. To put this in context I had him in my top 5 for the Collingwood B+F up until injury so if he can build upon and improve upon the form he showed this year I think he can be the next Dustin Fletcher in this league. Time and time again from the most unlikely positions he gets his long arms in when you think he just has no right to and looks to have completely lost the contest. One I expect in 2-3 years time will have people talking assuming healthy)

Very optimistic, I like it.

Keeffe is one I was really into last year,really wanted us to make a play for him. Collingwood won't let him go now though which blows as we are lacking a player like Keeffe.

I'm not sure about top 10 but I would include him in my top 15.

 

[Knightmare]

Very optimistic, I like it.

Keeffe is one I was really into last year,really wanted us to make a play for him. Collingwood won't let him go now though which blows as we are lacking a player like Keeffe.

I'm not sure about top 10 but I would include him in my top 15.

It's just an upside selection and up until this year was a will he make it/ won't he make it proposition and then he just came in this year and shocked us all. Came from a long way back and when drafted he pretty much couldn't play the game having been a soccer player up to that point. Not a guy you have in the 10 based on what he has done up to this point - which is made obvious by his 14 senior appearances up to this stage. But rather a guy you take on the assumption that his development continues the way it has up to this point and that he gets back to his form from early this year.

In many ways a first of his kind player as a 204cm key defender.

 

[Trav 20]

I must be one of the few that rates Sidebottom above Beams.

The love for Hannebery seems to have gone cold.

 

[Terex8]

Beams will be the 1st AA of this draft group.

 

[Riders of Rohan]

I must be one of the few that rates Sidebottom above Beams.

The love for Hannebery seems to have gone cold.

Had Beams and Hannebery side by side before this year. Beams improvement has been remarkable and would go number 1 or 2 at this stage. Others have shown far more than him so far. Hannebery is incredibly inconsistent at the moment, his best is top 5 easily, at his worst he's just average. Hannebery has had 29 or more disposals in 9 or 10 games I think it was in his career, and we've won every one. His main problem is how hard he runs, he has the least amount of TOG in our mids, yet covers the most distance. Which effects his kicking quite a bit. Wouldn't go top 10 at this stage.

 

[Pat_Footy]

Had Beams and Hannebery side by side before this year. Beams improvement has been remarkable and would go number 1 or 2 at this stage. Others have shown far more than him so far. Hannebery is incredibly inconsistent at the moment, his best is top 5 easily, at his worst he's just average. Hannebery has had 29 or more disposals in 9 or 10 games I think it was in his career, and we've won every one. His main problem is how hard he runs, he has the least amount of TOG in our mids, yet covers the most distance. Which effects his kicking quite a bit. Wouldn't go top 10 at this stage.

I want to visit candyland too

 

[Riders of Rohan]

I want to visit candyland too

The only one you would take at the moment before Beams would be Naitanui, and if you didn't need a ruck the first mid would be Beams. Hence 1 or 2.

Hannebery's best is every bit as good as those above him, but he is incredibly inconsistent and at the moment it just doesn't come out often enough, which is why I said he wouldn't go top 10.

 

[Pat_Footy]

The only one you would take at the moment before Beams would be Naitanui, and if you didn't need a ruck the first mid would be Beams. Hence 1 or 2.

Hannebery's best is every bit as good as those above him, but he is incredibly inconsistent and at the moment it just doesn't come out often enough, which is why I said he wouldn't go top 10.

I can understand someone making arguments for Beams and Hannebery in performance based rankings but not drafts. There's not a club in the league stupid enough to take Beams with the first pick.

 

[Dwight Schrute]

I can understand someone making arguments for Beams and Hannebery in performance based rankings but not drafts. There's not a club in the league stupid enough to take Beams with the first pick.

I reckon a lot of clubs would take him with number 1.

 

[Terex8]

There's not a club in the league stupid enough not to take Beams with the first pick.

efa.

 

[skelly12]

I can understand someone making arguments for Beams and Hannebery in performance based rankings but not drafts. There's not a club in the league stupid enough to take Beams with the first pick.

You're right, it would be stupid to draft a player who will be AA this year with one of the top picks. Much more rational to draft someone with the 'potential' to make AA in later years......

 

[Old Skool]

1. Nic Naitanui (When Dean Cox retires this guy will take over as the face of the league the no.1 player in the comp)

It's time for this fallacy to cease once and for all.

 

[ThePuppetMaster]

I'm not sure I see much that would make me take Beams over Hartlett or Ziebell to be honest... he certainly lives an easy life in Collingwood's midfield.