Draft Review 2008 - Re-do the 2008 draft

[PattyKwasagun]

1 Nic Nat
2 Hurley
3 Sidebottom
4 Zaharakis
5 Shuey
6 Beams
7 Sloane
8 Redden
9 Hartlett
10 Rich

I would have Rockliff above Redden. Personally think he's more valuable to our team, and probably our future captain too. As for Rich, very quiet past 2 years, but he's been just about our most important this year. 5 or so years down the track, I think him and Rocky will be considered to have been among the top 5 from the 08 draft. Redden probably top 15. And that's not me being a one-eyed Brisbane fan either - I openly admit we've got jack all from the 5 or so drafts before this one. Just struck gold here, and don't think I'd change a thing.

 

[Patron]

Beams is a better kick than Sidebottom which surprises me you think that. Beams can kick 50m + on both feet and is far more penetrating, Sidebottom struggles dropping the ball short on 30-40m kicks. Beams is also faster than Sidebottom so the two things you are questioning him about he is actually good at compared to rusty. Sidebottoms biggest asset is his tank and always has been, he is just starting understand how to use it to the best of his ability.

Beams kick is definitely more penetrating but i believe sidebottoms to be much more accurate. Sidebottom is definetely the classier of the two for mine. Sidebottom has a good footy brain to go with the tank which is why he will (and already does) find the pill. He is calmer with the ball imo and on the scale of Swift to pendlebury sits closer to the pendlebury level than beams when it comes to this regard and as a result makes better decisions. Long story short you offer me beams or sidebottom i'd take sidebottom.

 

[smiddaz123]

Beams kick is definitely more penetrating but i believe sidebottoms to be much more accurate. Sidebottom is definetely the classier of the two for mine. Sidebottom has a good footy brain to go with the tank which is why he will (and already does) find the pill. He is calmer with the ball imo and on the scale of Swift to pendlebury sits closer to the pendlebury level than beams when it comes to this regard and as a result makes better decisions. Long story short you offer me beams or sidebottom i'd take sidebottom.

40 metres and under it's pretty much even in terms of accuracy. Over 40 metres it's Beams in a canter. Beams will take a lower percentage option more than Sidebottom, which might be why you get the impression you do. Pretty fair summary otherwise, Sidebottom has more composure than Beams. I noticed you mentioned a lack of pace with Beams in your original list though, which is probably true, but Sidebottom is slower than Beams.

Also worth noting that Beams is far, far superior to Sidebottom in congestion and clearances which should probably effect their rating.

 

[themidlandmaster]

Beams is a better kick than Sidebottom which surprises me you think that. Beams can kick 50m + on both feet and is far more penetrating, Sidebottom struggles dropping the ball short on 30-40m kicks. Beams is also faster than Sidebottom so the two things you are questioning him about he is actually good at compared to rusty. Sidebottoms biggest asset is his tank and always has been, he is just starting understand how to use it to the best of his ability.

Beams is a very poor finisher in front of goal, however

I prefer side bottom because he knows when to push forward and is a good finisher in front of goals

 

[spoonjam]

I think Hill has a lot to work on, he probably has as much to work on as Watts - who you claim has shown nothing.

And Hill really hasn't improved that much as a player in his first four seasons - in terms of overall season performance - either despite his increase in size and aerobic capacity.

Has a lot of talent, no doubt - but there are areas that need a lot of improvement.

Pretty much every week Hill will cop the opposing teams best run-with player, and his output is lower. I dont think any player from this draft would get tagged as hard and as often as Hill, and when he is left to go head to head with a similar opponent he has had really good numbers. From this draft Rich and Shuey have been put under a lock lately in games in the past couple of season and their numbers have been down but this is often overlooked. Brady Rawlings gave Hill a bath in 2010 which was much publicised and I think this had had an influence on the perception of him by the general football world, but if he is as overrated as many seem to think then why does the opposing coach send his teams bet tagger to sit on him most games? The answer is that when he has space his possessions can be arguably some of the most damaging in the league. These types of players, and I will throw Yarran in here, are often maligned when they have off games but sometimes only need a handfull of quality touches that can totally influence a game more than a grinding inside mid who racks up 30+ a match.

 

[Patron]

Pretty much every week Hill will cop the opposing teams best run-with player, and his output is lower. I dont think any player from this draft would get tagged as hard and as often as Hill, and when he is left to go head to head with a similar opponent he has had really good numbers. From this draft Rich and Shuey have been put under a lock lately in games in the past couple of season and their numbers have been down but this is often overlooked. Brady Rawlings gave Hill a bath in 2010 which was much publicised and I think this had had an influence on the perception of him by the general football world, but if he is as overrated as many seem to think then why does the opposing coach send his teams bet tagger to sit on him most games? The answer is that when he has space his possessions can be arguably some of the most damaging in the league. These types of players, and I will throw Yarran in here, are often maligned when they have off games but sometimes only need a handfull of quality touches that can totally influence a game more than a grinding inside mid who racks up 30+ a match.

On shuey and the tagging his output hasn't really been effected too much when he's been tagged. He averages 22 possesions this year. (up 2 from last year). And the only times he has gotten less than 20 possessions (less than his average from last year) were two weeks in a row after his shoulder injury where he was clearly struggling.
Ignoring those injured weeks his disposal counts are
24, 26, 25, 20(the third week after injury), 23, 25, 26, 21
As you can see the variance there is very small.
The reason hill gets tagged is only partly because he is very damaging. The other reason is that he is very easily tagged out of the game and a very tight tag is not really required so tagging players can run off him. Eg. rawlings effort where he had 30+ disposals whilst hill got 7.
From a coaches perspective you can either tag him where he is likely to be very limited and get less possesions etc than the tagger or you can not tag him where he could possibly do some damage. Pretty easy decision really.

 

[Jackfrost]

One player I'm still not 100% sold on is Naitanui. Good ruckman but for a guy that size he doesn't take that many marks.

Wow. You obviously haven't seen an Eagles game this year. NicNat has become a marking juggernaut!

 

[Gibbo_88]

Pretty much every week Hill will cop the opposing teams best run-with player, and his output is lower. I dont think any player from this draft would get tagged as hard and as often as Hill, and when he is left to go head to head with a similar opponent he has had really good numbers. From this draft Rich and Shuey have been put under a lock lately in games in the past couple of season and their numbers have been down but this is often overlooked. Brady Rawlings gave Hill a bath in 2010 which was much publicised and I think this had had an influence on the perception of him by the general football world, but if he is as overrated as many seem to think then why does the opposing coach send his teams bet tagger to sit on him most games? The answer is that when he has space his possessions can be arguably some of the most damaging in the league. These types of players, and I will throw Yarran in here, are often maligned when they have off games but sometimes only need a handfull of quality touches that can totally influence a game more than a grinding inside mid who racks up 30+ a match.

Rich and Hill have copped tags since about halfway through their first season. When we've played Freo Hill has generally been the second tagged player after Pav.

 

[ThePuppetMaster]

Wow. You obviously haven't seen an Eagles game this year. NicNat has become a marking juggernaut!

I'd say that's going a little too far, he can certainly take a mark though.

 

[Wargreymon90]

Natnui is the clear number 1 for me.

But if we are talking about output only, i would say the best are Sidebottom, Sloane, Redden and Rockliff

 

[NetworkNerd]

Wow. You obviously haven't seen an Eagles game this year. NicNat has become a marking juggernaut!

Just checked his stats he only takes about 2-3 marks a game on average. Cox takes alot more marks than that. I mean he has the best leap of anyone in the comp who could stop him if he had a good pair of hands?

 

[Patron]

Just checked his stats he only takes about 2-3 marks a game on average. Cox takes alot more marks than that. I mean he has the best leap of anyone in the comp who could stop him if he had a good pair of hands?

It doesn't work entirely like that. If you have a look at the marking stats stanton is the leader in the comp... Naita is a better mark than stanton. A lot of cox's marks come in link up play like stantons. Naitanui is not a lead up player and thus doesn't get marks that way either. Most of his marks are contested which is where "good hands" normally come into play. Of ruckman sandilands takes the most CM per game with 1.9, Cox and Naitanui both average 1.7. Naita's marking has improved a lot this year and has every year tbh since drafting.

 

[Sidebottom2Beams]

Beams is a very poor finisher in front of goal, however

I prefer side bottom because he knows when to push forward and is a good finisher in front of goals

Beams kicked 21 goals 10 in 16 matches, i wouldn't call that very poor infront of goals.

 

[themidlandmaster]

Beams kicked 21 goals 10 in 16 matches, i wouldn't call that very poor infront of goals.

Hmm, your right

Guess I was still thinking of his 2010 season and this week

 

[tigs2010]

Disappointed in the lack of Tom Hislop. Unlucky with injuries, would have been a star.

 

[BrownPearHookers]

Hurley and Naitanui would be 1 & 2 picked by all the clubs.
mids are everywhere.

 

[Pat_Footy]

Hurley and Naitanui would be 1 & 2 picked by all the clubs.
mids are a dime in a dozen.

Yes, every year you can pick up good mids. Shiel and Colignio have already come out and shown a lot.
Patton is the new Hurley taken. There's usually only 1 or 2 gun KPP every draft

 

[Old Skool]

Natnui is the clear number 1 for me.

I'll never be able to understand this.

 

[Wargreymon90]

I'll never be able to understand this.

why's that champ?

 

[Pat_Footy]

1 Naitanui
2 Hurley
3 Hill
4 Hartlett
5 Shuey
6 Sloane
7 Ziebell
8 Rich
9 Sidebottom
10 Beams

 

[Stifler's mom]

1 Naitanui
2 Hurley
3 Hill
4 Hartlett
5 Shuey
6 Sloane
7 Ziebell
8 Rich
9 Sidebottom
10 Beams

Lol

 

[quin_stick]

1- Naitanui
2- Hurley
3- Shuey
4- Sidebottom
5- Beams
6- Sloane
7- Zaharakis
8- Rich
9- Hill
10- Trengove (good KPD don't grow on trees)
11- Rockliff
12- Hartlett
13- Redden
14- Ziebell
15- Hanneberry

Good draft this one

 

[Pat_Footy]

Lol

It's a re-draft - I think the other players have higher ceilings. My personal bookmark for 5years time.

 

[The Bomb]

We got Hurley #5 so I am extremely happy with this and getting Zaharakis at #23 just makes it so much better.

 

[Waite a Sec]

Hill shouldn't be in the top 10, disappears if he gets any attention at all from opposition, also Hurley is a dud skill-wise.