2011 Draft Discussion #2

[POBT]

Surely we're chasing a forward/ruck option, rather than a genuine ruck? I wouldn't want to be giving up picks for developing rucks. We have Luey and paid cheap for Hudson, so I would think we are chasing someone who can play a KPP, with an ability to ruck 15% to 20% of the time. For me that's Tippet.

Not sure what you are responding to. Tom Bell is a 3rd defender type.

I did say in my earlier post that I would prefer to take a ruck who could play forward too.

Assuming Hudson plays 2012 only and assuming we get Tippett (no certainty) for 2013, if we don't draft a ruck this year, we'll be in a position of having only two ruckmen on the list for a couple of years. One injury will mean that we only have 1 on the list. Two injuries and we are stuffed. I very much doubt that we'll leave ourselves exposed like this.

4-5 rucks seems to be the common consensus on what ruck coverage you need on your list. Of course, you ideally want at least 2 of those to be capable of playing dual position in the modern game. Right now, we have 2 ruck options, neither of whom is dual position capable (at this point). I really can't see that we'll go into 2012 with that as our ruck group. We lost 4 rucks at the end of this season - Charman, Clark, Mccauley, Mcculloch. So far, we've added only 1 as a replacement.

 

[Tassie4ever]

Not sure what you are responding to. Tom Bell is a 3rd defender type.

I did say in my earlier post that I would prefer to take a ruck who could play forward too.

Assuming Hudson plays 2012 only and assuming we get Tippett (no certainty) for 2013, if we don't draft a ruck this year, we'll be in a position of having only two ruckmen on the list for a couple of years. One injury will mean that we only have 1 on the list. Two injuries and we are stuffed. I very much doubt that we'll leave ourselves exposed like this.

4-5 rucks seems to be the common consensus on what ruck coverage you need on your list. Of course, you ideally want at least 2 of those to be capable of playing dual position in the modern game. Right now, we have 2 ruck options, neither of whom is dual position capable (at this point). I really can't see that we'll go into 2012 with that as our ruck group. We lost 4 rucks at the end of this season - Charman, Clark, Mccauley, Mcculloch. So far, we've added only 1 as a replacement.

A statement of the bleeding obvious but a point very well made. If supporters weren't able to tell we might have a teeny problem when they saw a rookie Irish defender thrown into the ruck mix last season, then they weren't looking closely enough.

We need at least one additional ruck, preferably two, and preferably with multi-skills.

As I see it, Hudson will be probably be used to mentor and perhaps backup Leuenberger, and to a greater extent develop a rookie or 2 in the seconds. Role 1 is probably only viable for one season, so Role 2 is vital.

 

[Hollow Knight]

Yeah, reckon we will surely take a ruck with pick 47 at least. And then at least another one in the rookie draft.

In fact it wouldn't surprise me to see us take at a couple of the better state league ruckmen in the rookie draft and let them battle it out for that backup spot in 2013.

 

[Quigley]

I am thinking a KP/ruck in the main draft at 30 or 47 (Brown, Elton or maybe even Bussey), a state leaguer as a rookie (eg Hannath) and then a raw prospect as a rookie as well (eg Cabrera).

The State Leaguer would give us three rucks capable of playing right away which is what we will need. Its unrealistic to think that the U18 prospects would be right to go for next year.

 

[POBT]

I am thinking a KP/ruck in the main draft at 30 or 47 (Brown, Elton or maybe even Bussey), a state leaguer as a rookie (eg Hannath) and then a raw prospect as a rookie as well (eg Cabrera).

The State Leaguer would give us three rucks capable of playing right away which is what we will need. Its unrealistic to think that the U18 prospects would be right to go for next year.

I'm OK to leave out the Cabrera type if the club is bullish about the academy prospects.

 

[pauldrc]

Wouldn't have a problem with Elton at 30, just maybe not at 12.....(or 8).

 

[whatboutbob]

I'm OK to leave out the Cabrera type if the club is bullish about the academy prospects.

Bit of a stretch for a (max) 16yo, but I'd agree more if the Club is bullish about getting Tippett.

The more I consider the academy ruck line from Kerr, the more it feels like a red herring.

 

[POBT]

Bit of a stretch for a (max) 16yo, but I'd agree more if the Club is bullish about getting Tippett.

The more I consider the academy ruck line from Kerr, the more it feels like a red herring.

I thought next year was the first year that the Academy boys would start to come into the system?

 

[Hollow Knight]

I thought next year was the first year that the Academy boys would start to come into the system?

What's the point. If any of them are any good, Gold Coast would just take them as priority zone selections.

I think the club realised this and has focused on the year afterwards.

 

[whatboutbob]

I thought next year was the first year that the Academy boys would start to come into the system?

Must admit I'm still not 100% after this post, but it seems to imply our oldest batch will be 17 next year. Can anyone clarify?

It is also my understanding that the GC's zone concession trumps the Lions Academy next year.

 

[thoselionslads]

I thought next year was the first year that the Academy boys would start to come into the system?

2013 I thought.

I would be interested to know who these young rucks in our academy are. Gauging talent in 15-16 year old ruckmen is dangerous territory. I'm not aware of any outstanding ruck talent coming through - not to say there isn't any.

I tend to agree with Bob's Red Herring call.

 

[Hollow Knight]

Must admit I'm still not 100% after this post, but it seems to imply our oldest batch will be 17 next year. Can anyone clarify?

Yeah, believe that is the case. Some will be eligible for the GWS mini draft.

 

[dlanod]

Must admit I'm still not 100% after this post, but it seems to imply our oldest batch will be 17 next year. Can anyone clarify?

It is also my understanding that the GC's zone concession trumps the Lions Academy next year.

I would have thought they'd be equivalent options, i.e. the boy can choose the zone concession or the academy sign-up or to nominate for the draft. Are the GC zone concessions mandatory?

 

[Hollow Knight]

Are the GC zone concessions mandatory?

Yep. If you've nominated for the draft, they can take you.

 

[dlanod]

Yep. If you've nominated for the draft, they can take you.

Wow, I wasn't aware of that. That's seriously shit IMHO.

 

[Quigley]

Mentioned on here before but given we are discussing rucks I wonder if we are looking at Currie who was delisted by Sydney?

 

[Fatcat08]

Mentioned on here before but given we are discussing rucks I wonder if we are looking at Currie who was delisted by Sydney?

Would he have much to offer Quigley? Haven't seen much of him myself but just think he doesn't move well enough round the ground to be a modern afl ruckman. Could be wrong though. I would have thought any scope for development would be past him, although could be a slight upgrade on Macauley

Slightly off topic but any word on when your phantom will be ready to roll this year? After next list lodgement? Just finished a book and need something to occupy my spare time for the next week or so

PS: I mean that as a compliment too, always find it an entertaining read.

 

[Special88]

Thoughts on Murray Newman? He's pretty under rated on bigfooty but i think he could be a surprise top twenty pick come draft day. Looks like the type of player we definitely need.

Here's some footage of him for those are don't know him well. http://www.afl.com.au/News/NEWSARTICLE/tabid/208/Default.aspx?newsId=123398

 

[Quigley]

I like Newman quite a bit and have him to WC at the end of the first round. I think he is one who could definately sneak into the top 20.

On my mock I am still writing it up but it should be right to go up pretty much straight after the D&T Board Phantom which gets underway on Wednesday and will run for 10 days or so.

 

[blackpowerlappin]

Not sure what you are responding to. Tom Bell is a 3rd defender type.

I did say in my earlier post that I would prefer to take a ruck who could play forward too.

Assuming Hudson plays 2012 only and assuming we get Tippett (no certainty) for 2013, if we don't draft a ruck this year, we'll be in a position of having only two ruckmen on the list for a couple of years. One injury will mean that we only have 1 on the list. Two injuries and we are stuffed. I very much doubt that we'll leave ourselves exposed like this.

4-5 rucks seems to be the common consensus on what ruck coverage you need on your list. Of course, you ideally want at least 2 of those to be capable of playing dual position in the modern game. Right now, we have 2 ruck options, neither of whom is dual position capable (at this point). I really can't see that we'll go into 2012 with that as our ruck group. We lost 4 rucks at the end of this season - Charman, Clark, Mccauley, Mcculloch. So far, we've added only 1 as a replacement.

Yeah sorry POBT, wasn't responding to the quote, I should have left it as a statement. I guess my thinking is that after we delisted the Macs and drafted in Hudson that the plan at best would be to rookie a ruckman as I believe we will target Tippet in 2013, who in my opinion is the type we want considering Leueys development and style. With Hudson and Leuenberger on the main list this year backups could come in the form of a rookie drafted ruck, or at best a Fwd /Ruck slider that Hadley and Kerr didn't expect to be available.

I don't know- it appears to me that we have a chance at Tippet next year. He is out of contract and we are well placed to know what needs to get the job done next year. I wouldn't want to miss on any KPPs or mids that take our fancy or that may slide.

Im also of the understanding that next years draft looks like a ripper and that there are a number of quality talls, compared to this year.

Agree it is a real dilemma considering the drafting strategy from 04 onwards was to primarily draft talls in most years with first round selections and we are left with a shortage.

 

[whatboutbob]

FWIW Phelan has Elton with a draft range of 15 to 30.

 

[HereIam86]

Would you take Toby Grenne and pick 8?

 

[PattyKwasagun]

With all the talk about WHE, this makes for some interesting reading/viewing.

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/a...ning-form-around/story-e6frf9jf-1226181894752

 

[Swanny10]

FWIW Phelan has Elton with a draft range of 15 to 30.

If he slid to 30 we would have to take him in a heart beat.

I think with the lack of talls in the draft it's not likely he'll still be there though.

 

[Grimreepah]

Given that WHE is the elite of the elite in terms of endurance, why does he only average 14 disposals a game?