2012 Draft Discussion

[whatboutbob]

Which recruiter?

No idea.

 

[Roylion]

FYI, totally NOT keen on Mason Shaw. 197cm and 82kg? A stiff wind could blow him over. Hansen, Brown etc are that size and wouldn't cost such a high pick.

Big body all the way for a FF/CHF project player - i.e. Jaksch (195/86) White (195/90), Clurey (193/85), even possibly Paparone (193/84).

Mason Shaw looks to be the best key forward in this year's draft and I would take him with our first pick, given we have plenty of midfielders. From all reports he's strong on both the lead and in contested marking situations. He also a good set shot.

At 18 I wouldn't worry too much that he's only 82 kg either. Apparently he's up to about 85 kg now. As a comparison, Daniel Bradshaw only weighed 86 kg when he was 20 years old in 1998 and 91 kg in the premiership years. Alistair Lynch weighed about 97 kg in the premiership years.

 

[Balony_pony16]

I would have thought disposal deficiencies are the hardest thing to fix.

not really...because it relies on quality teammates taking possession....being around quality teammates who make themselves available to receive and\or can work hard to take the mark etc... can do wonders to ones eff.

 

[theteamtobeat]

Mason Shaw – Averaged 4 goals for South Fremantle (WA), 197 cm, 82 kg
Kevin Sheehan says: “Tall forward who is very strong overhead and has smarts around goals. Kicked seven goals in the WAFL in the NAB AFL Under-18 Grand Final in 2011. A reliable kick for goal from set shots as well as clever with his snap shots. Has excellent endurance for a tall with a beep score of 14 plus showing his potential to play across half forward. Kicked four goals for WA against Vic Country this year. AIS-AFL Academy graduate.”

http://www.afl.com.au/tabid/208/default.aspx?newsid=147459 http://www.wafl.com.au/players/view/3931

We could trade pick 8, pick 30 and a fringe player for GWS's pick's 12, 13 and a third or fourth round pick. Then we can draft Shaw and Jaksch. That would solve our KPP problem. I don't like trading pick 8, but if it means we get the best KPP players for the long term future then I would go down this path.

 

[Hollow Knight]

Free agency compo has been announced.

Our pick 23 just became 24.

Pick 30 just became 33.

 

[luthor]

Free agency compo has been announced.

Our pick 23 just became 24.

Pick 30 just became 33.

Demonstrating that how an individual club is affected by the FA process, is a total lottery.

30 down to 33 is a bit of a bummer but getting Moloney for nix eases the pain I supppose

 

[WhiteLionFeva]

Simpson was the player tagged as selfish by one of the recruiters when his notes were broadcast during one of the u18 games, yeah?

Actually one of the things that stands out for me in the vid is how often he gives off the handball. Didn't see him get caught doing the selfish thing once, but as others have said, these vids can be very selective.

 

[WhiteLionFeva]

Demonstrating that how an individual club is affected by the FA process, is a total lottery.

30 down to 33 is a bit of a bummer but getting Moloney for nix eases the pain I supppose

Could have been worse, could have been our pick 8 demoted to 10 or 11.

 

[jjami15]

So collingwood have three picks in a row and port have three in a row. I'm curious as to how that will effect what we do draft time. You would think that clubs would assess other clubs playing roster and try to identify their needs. We've been pretty open about the fact we would like KPP. To be honest, I was looking forward to the end of compo picks, now we have free agency compo so that thought goes out the door.

 

[Grimreepah]

I'm now a big fan of Josh Simpson. Which pick is he likely to around in?

Wouldn't mind if we picked him up at 23, or even 8.


So many evasive skills, speed and acceleration. Yes please!!!!

That's a highlights package.

 

[PertRoosOsborne]

Free agency compo has been announced.

Our pick 23 just became 24.

Pick 30 just became 33.

I hate how quickly compo picks have become pat of the AFL vernacular and landscape....

 

[chopperduck]

I say ditch them. Too much bitching, if they aren't going to actually compensate a club for losing a player at their worth, why bother, it just pisses the other clubs off who get their picks pushed back.

 

[Bucking Beads]

I say ditch them. Too much bitching, if they aren't going to actually compensate a club for losing a player at their worth, why bother, it just pisses the other clubs off who get their picks pushed back.

Couldn't agree more. Clinton Young worth a 3rd rounder.

 

[Grimreepah]

I say ditch them. Too much bitching, if they aren't going to actually compensate a club for losing a player at their worth, why bother, it just pisses the other clubs off who get their picks pushed back.

I don't think the formula should be a secret. Make it transparent so everyone knows where they stand and clubs can make informed decisions about what is best. It's not like the priority pick, where secrecy has an actual benefit (to avoid tanking).

 

[13Beast]

Mason Shaw looks to be the best key forward in this year's draft and I would take him with our first pick, given we have plenty of midfielders. From all reports he's strong on both the lead and in contested marking situations. He also a good set shot.

At 18 I wouldn't worry too much that he's only 82 kg either. Apparently he's up to about 85 kg now. As a comparison, Daniel Bradshaw only weighed 86 kg when he was 20 years old in 1998 and 91 kg in the premiership years. Alistair Lynch weighed about 97 kg in the premiership years.

Braddy was only 91kgs? Wow. Hollow bones? He always looked like such a big unit. Goes to show that some big dudes can be 'heavy' and others not so much, yet visually (and athletically), they certainly hold their own and get the job done.

 

[irel]

I don't think the formula should be a secret. Make it transparent so everyone knows where they stand and clubs can make informed decisions about what is best. It's not like the priority pick, where secrecy has an actual benefit (to avoid tanking).

I doubt a formula exists. It's a bunch of select group of cronies sitting around a table drinking, eating oysters and crayfish toss a dart at a bunch of numbers stuck on the wall and WHAM we'll give Collingwood pick 25 for the privilege of taking Young off Hawthorn's list because that's where the dart fell.

 

[13Beast]

I doubt a formula exists. It's a bunch of select group of cronies sitting around a table drinking, eating oysters and crayfish toss a dart at a bunch of numbers stuck on the wall and WHAM we'll give Collingwood pick 25 for the privilege of taking Young off Hawthorn's list because that's where the dart fell.

Exactly right. The system is doomed to fail and simply cannot last, due to the entirely speculative basis of distributing compo picks on some random gauge/opinion of their ability and worth. Absolutely no science or formulae are applied to generate the result, therefore its not only inaccurate but totally unfair.

If this doesn't get the clubs angry then I'd be very surprised.

 

[jjami15]

Rights lads, collingwood have come out on AFL.com that they are interested in packaging 18,19 and 21 for a higher pick. Let the consternation begin. Pick 8 for 12, 14 or pick 8 for 18,19 and 20. What to do, what to do!

 

[dlanod]

If you look at the results and apply a bit of logic, the compensation makes sense (taking items from http://www.afl.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/208/newsid/149054/default.aspx).

• St Kilda lost Goddard. Reported to be a four year deal for $800k. First round pick.
• Port lost Chaplin and Pearce. In both cases they are rumoured to be on long deals (three or four year) at around the $400k mark. Second round picks.
• Hawthorn lost Young and Murphy. Young is reported to have been offered $280k pa so gets a third rounder. Murphy probably signed on for near minimum so no compensation.
• Geelong lost Byrnes but gained Rivers. No compensation, therefore those two must cancel out.
• Melbourne lost Rivers and Moloney, but gained Byrnes. As above, cancel out Rivers and Byrnes, so Moloney is worth a third round pick. A two year deal, no rumoured price tag. Probably around what Young's earning given the above.
• Adelaide lost Knights. Given Murphy's example, I'm guessing Knights also signed on for bugger all.
• West Coast lost Quinten Lynch. Two year contract (?), third round pick. Probably a similar price on his head to Young and Moloney.

Looking at that, the thresholds are something like:

1. First round for huge deals. Goddard's is over $3m in total, so let's use that as the line.
2. End of first round is probably in the $2m to $3m total. None granted this year.
3. Second round for those in the $1.5m to $2m range.
4. End of second round for $1m to $1.5m.
5. Third round for $500k to $1m.
6. Nothing for everyone else.

I know age is meant to factor in somewhere, but given most of these are in the 26 through 28 age bracket there's not much to differentiate them.

 

[BigCat2]

There's something in that Donald, but can't help think AFL have been generous to Port Adelaide here by giving them picks 31 & 32, given their current on & off field struggles.

While Hawthorn doesn't need any help, therefore a crappy pick for Young.

 

[jackess]

I don't like downgrading our 1st round for 2 later picks. I would only do this if the club thought we needed to focus on KPPs as in most of the mocks there aren't many KPPs in the top 15.

If Rockliff, Redden, Rich, Beams, Polec and maybe Karnezis, Green, Hanley, Crisp, Harwood, Docherty and Yeo can control our midfield in the next 6-8 years than KPPs should be our priority.

 

[luthor]

The AFL are socialiasts?

NO!

 

[dlanod]

There's something in that Donald, but can't help think AFL have been generous to Port Adelaide here by giving them picks 31 & 32, given their current on & off field struggles.

While Hawthorn doesn't need any help, therefore a crappy pick for Young.

By that theory, Melbourne should've gotten at least a second rounder for (Rivers + Moloney - Byrnes).

People just like to see conspiracy theories and patterns where they can.

 

[Antman78]

If you look at the results and apply a bit of logic, the compensation makes sense (taking items from http://www.afl.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/208/newsid/149054/default.aspx).

• St Kilda lost Goddard. Reported to be a four year deal for $800k. First round pick.
• Port lost Chaplin and Pearce. In both cases they are rumoured to be on long deals (three or four year) at around the $400k mark. Second round picks.
• Hawthorn lost Young and Murphy. Young is reported to have been offered $280k pa so gets a third rounder. Murphy probably signed on for near minimum so no compensation.
• Geelong lost Byrnes but gained Rivers. No compensation, therefore those two must cancel out.
• Melbourne lost Rivers and Moloney, but gained Byrnes. As above, cancel out Rivers and Byrnes, so Moloney is worth a third round pick. A two year deal, no rumoured price tag. Probably around what Young's earning given the above.
• Adelaide lost Knights. Given Murphy's example, I'm guessing Knights also signed on for bugger all.
• West Coast lost Quinten Lynch. Two year contract (?), third round pick. Probably a similar price on his head to Young and Moloney.

Looking at that, the thresholds are something like:

1. First round for huge deals. Goddard's is over $3m in total, so let's use that as the line.
2. End of first round is probably in the $2m to $3m total. None granted this year.
3. Second round for those in the $1.5m to $2m range.
4. End of second round for $1m to $1.5m.
5. Third round for $500k to $1m.
6. Nothing for everyone else.

I know age is meant to factor in somewhere, but given most of these are in the 26 through 28 age bracket there's not much to differentiate them.

If I had a say i would base the compo on what the club orginally intend to pay as the contract, i.e Goddard's offer from the saints is say $500K instead of $800K, why should the saints recieve a higher pick when they only valued him at $500K.

 

[BigCat2]

Yeah, but Melbourne already got 2 first round picks for Tom Scully, and only had to use pick 26 for Jack Viney.

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