NFL 2012 NFL - Week 2

[Dagless]

Didn't notice that.

And for all the 'play til the last', why did he make his defence let Brown waltz into the endzone?

Strong contradiction is strong.

 

[Primetime Pricey]

The chances of one of their own players getting injured is much greater than a fumble happening before Eli gets the knee down, whilst hoping for a penalty so it doesn't have to be a continuous play.

Maybe in college where the turnover of players is year to year and you run up scores, but there's still some dignity in professional football.

Dignity lol? If they were able to get the ball back they had a chance to win. It wasnt as if the score was over what they couldn't win if they got it back.
Its happened before in the NFL and its not against the rules. Nothing wrong with it at all

 

[Dagless]

Dignity lol? If they were able to get the ball back they had a chance to win. It wasnt as if the score was over what they couldn't win if they got it back.
Its happened before in the NFL and its not against the rules. Nothing wrong with it at all

There has never been a turnover on a kneel down in any comparable circumstances. There was one second left on the clock.

To have any chance to win, Tampa needed to...
Stand up the Oline, and knock them under Eli before he got his knee down, then recover the ball without the player being called dead, and then run it 30+ yards back without getting tackled.

OR the same series of events for a fumble but instead pray for a Giants oline penalty post-recovery to get one 'free play'.

The chances of someone getting injured form either team are much higher than that series of events happening.

Barber and McCoy didn't look too happy with the playcalling post-game when asked about it, because they know it'll probably come back at them, not the coach.

Bush.league.

 

[Primetime Pricey]

To have any chance to win, Tampa needed to...
Stand up the Oline, and knock them under Eli before he got his knee down, then recover the ball without the player being called dead, and then run it 30+ yards back without getting tackled.

OR the same series of events for a fumble but instead pray for a Giants oline penalty post-recovery to get one 'free play'.

So there was a chance to win? enough said. If there was ZERO chance then it's not a great look but if there is any chance then its fine.

 

[Dagless]

So there was a chance to win? enough said. If there was ZERO chance then it's not a great look but if there is any chance then its fine.

lol...

How would you feel about a fake kneel down when losing by 20 at that point for another TD long bomb?

There's a CHANCE it would work...

As I said at the start, I don't particularly care, it's just total bush league by a rookie coach trying to be edgy but coming off as a sook. If any of the Giants players got injured in that occurrence, or he did it in a div game, his players would be feeling it weekly.

 

[Primetime Pricey]

lol...

How would you feel about a fake kneel down when losing by 20 at that point for another TD long bomb?

There's a CHANCE it would work...

That is totally different. There was still a chance Tampa could have won by some miracle. Comparing it to a Pass when there is a score difference of 20 and less then a few secs left? Its not the same at all and its a massive clutch at straws you are trying to make.
Sure he is a rookie coach but he has been in the system a while now and is respected, Tampa Bay are playing some decent football. There was nothing wrong with the call on this occasion.

 

[Dagless]

That is totally different. There was still a chance Tampa could have won by some miracle. Comparing it to a Pass when there is a score difference of 20 and less then a few secs left? Its not the same at all and its a massive clutch at straws you are trying to make.
Sure he is a rookie coach but he has been in the system a while now and is respected, Tampa Bay are playing some decent football. There was nothing wrong with the call on this occasion.

No it isn't totally different. The game is over, and the only thing that is going to change is likelihood of injury. The winning team is the winning team and the losing team is the losing team. The only ones who lose are those that are going to get injured.

It's bush league when a move is ridiculously more likely to cause an injury than to actually change the result. If the play was run 100 times, the perfect storm wouldn't happen once in that 100 I'm confident of saying. Injury when you're blowing up an oline that has explicitly stated it is kneeling it out will happen much more often in that case.

No one respects a sore loser who lacks league etiquette. That's what the kneel is. Etiquette. We'll know whether Schiano agrees with us again by if he ever pulls the move again. He could get away with using college players as commodities, because heck, they're only college players rolleyes but this is professional football. Act professionally.

 

[Primetime Pricey]

No it isn't totally different. The game is over, and the only thing that is going to change is likelihood of injury.

Was the game over? Was there any chance he could have fumbled the ball and Tampa recover it and run it in? its unlikely but there is always that chance. There were within a TD score so there is nothing wrong with it.
You are very sensitive when it comes to anything NY Giants, you are good value though.
Anyways im not gonna debate it anymore but its fairly clear there was nothing wrong with it.

I look fwd to your posting come Friday

 

[Dagless]

I like how his players don't even have the heart to defend the move with any passion...

 

[Dagless]

Was the game over? Was there any chance he could have fumbled the ball and Tampa recover it and run it in? its unlikely but there is always that chance. There were within a TD score so there is nothing wrong with it.
You are very sensitive when it comes to anything NY Giants, you are good value though.
Anyways im not gonna debate it anymore but its fairly clear there was nothing wrong with it.

I look fwd to your posting come Friday

It has nothing to do with the Giants particularly - AS I said, it's within the league rules, you feel free to do it. But don't try and dress it up as anything different than it is, like any 'til the last play' BS. As I said, why have the D let Brown stroll in then? Don't want your D to play until the last minute?

I would be lambasting the move if it happened to any team.

There's nothing illegal about it, I agree. Just bush league

EDIT - I'm fairly sure you would be frothing at the mouth if it happened vs GB and one of your players was injured by the tactic. I would be as well.

 

[Primetime Pricey]

EDIT - I'm fairly sure you would be frothing at the mouth if it happened vs GB and one of your players was injured by the tactic. I would be as well.

Nope, if they can win i have no issue with it, i like players to play til the end.

 

[Dagless]

Nope, if they can win i have no issue with it, i like players to play til the end.

A grand delusion.

 

[ROSEMVP]

Have no problem with what Tampa tried to do, anything could have happened.

Agreed, Still had a chance to win the game. If they were down by 9 or more different story.


Eli is better then Peyton

 

[Starburns_]

Bush league from a sooky rookie coach.

Pretty poor form.

Could backfire on them later this season when Freeman needs to take.......wait, nevermind.

 

[Woodson]

Pretty poor form.

Could backfire on them later this season when Freeman needs to take.......wait, nevermind.

You can almost lock that in.. doubt teams will go in that direction as safety is paramount but in saying that.. let me mention the mantra from Herm Edwards.

"YOU PLAY TO WIN THE GAME"

The Miracle at the Meadowlands is the term used by sportscasters and Philadelphia Eagles fans for a fumble recovery by cornerback Herman Edwards that he returned for a touchdown at the end of a November 19, 1978 NFL game against the New York Giants in Giants Stadium. It was seen as miraculous because it occurred at a point in the game when the Giants were easily capable of running out the game's final seconds.

The Giants had the ball, and the Eagles had no timeouts left. Everyone watching expected quarterback Joe Pisarcik to take one more snap and kneel with the ball, thus running out the clock and preserving a 17-12 Giant upset. Instead, he attempted to hand it off to fullback Larry Csonka and botched it, allowing Edwards to pick up the ball and run 26 yards for the winning score.

This is where etiquette is extended. You tell the Officials you're taking a knee, you verbally tell the opposing captain you're taking a knee. Otherwise.. if you don't, you CANNOT ASSUME.

 

[Dagless]

did that play get called dead?

Not a knee and no one touched him.

Interestingly enough btw DB, the play is automatically called dead when the QB simply makes the motion to kneel - His knee doesn't even have to touch the ground, nor does he have to be touched.

 

[Starburns_]

You can almost lock that in.. doubt teams will go in that direction as safety is paramount but in saying that.. let me mention the mantra from Herm Edwards.

"YOU PLAY TO WIN THE GAME"



This is where etiquette is extended. You tell the Officials you're taking a knee, you verbally tell the opposing captain you're taking a knee. Otherwise.. if you don't, you CANNOT ASSUME.

That was just stupidity, you wouldn't see anything close to that happening now. Coughlin tore strips off that punter 2 years ago who kicked it Desean Jackson on the last play instead of out of bounds, imagine what would happen to a QB who didn't kneel when he could.

Assuming telling them is common practice, surely Eli would have said so.

 

[Woodson]

That was just stupidity, you wouldn't see anything close to that happening now. Coughlin tore strips off that punter 2 years ago who kicked it Desean Jackson on the last play instead of out of bounds, imagine what would happen to a QB who didn't kneel when he could.

Assuming telling them is common practice, surely Eli would have said so.

I don't know the NFL etiquette when it comes to 'Kneeling' if that requires notice but in the local leagues back in the day, they certainly DID notify us officials and also the opposition.

 

[Woodson]

Interestingly enough btw DB, the play is automatically called dead when the QB simply makes the motion to kneel - His knee doesn't even have to touch the ground, nor does he have to be touched.

I think that's where things can get hairy Dagless. Without touching the knee to the ground, without notice to either officials or even the opposition, you can't expect the opposition to assume you're willing to play dead even though the cadence is obvious.

Here's a classic College game example.. very messy and the call was botched!

 

[Dagless]

I think that's where things can get hairy Dagless. Without touching the knee to the ground, without notice to either officials or even the opposition, you can't expect the opposition to assume you're willing to play dead even though the cadence is obvious.

The oline said it to the dline and refs.

 

[Woodson]

The oline said it to the dline and refs.

If that's the fact... that's very Poor Form by the Buccs. I could understand why Coach Coughlin wasn't happy.
Interesting comments by Jaws & Hoge

 

[Baby_Jenks]

Bloody hell! Any chance the Lions could develop a run D? Or a screen D? Or a 10+ pass option that doesn't involve Megatron? Geez we made A.Smith look good.

 

[Blacky]

Bloody hell! Any chance the Lions could develop a run D? Or a screen D? Or a 10+ pass option that doesn't involve Megatron? Geez we made A.Smith look good.

Maybe they should start investing in their front 7... Oh wait

 

[Blacky]

With regard to the kneel-down rush; it definitely stinks and bad sportsmanship, but god I get sick of all the 'unwritten rules' in American sports. Probably not the best example, but still.

 

[Starburns_]

With regard to the kneel-down rush; it definitely stinks and bad sportsmanship, but god I get sick of all the 'unwritten rules' in American sports. Probably not the best example, but still.

Most sports have unwritten rules though, having them is important when trying to maintain a sort of 'integrity' as a contest.