2012 Trade Discussion

[Happy_Neale]

Jay van Berlo de-listed by Freo. Would not be adverse to picking him up cheap. Looked to be a good player but apparently there is an application problem of some sort. Don't know if it's attitude/behavioural or not though.

 

[dlanod]

Rischa is a below avg. user of the ball

Yeah, first time I've heard Rischitelli described as a good ball user.

 

[irel]

Try and get Rischa back I reckon. Great user of the ball can find a lot of it. Would love to see him come back. Black will be retiring next year most likely so a mature skilled midfielder would help development of our young upcoming cubs. Goddard (unlikely), Moloney are free agents so there possible gets.

Jas, since when has the deliverer of the up and under floating hospital pass become a great user of the ball?

 

[Stocka]

Rischitelli isn't a great user of the ball, but I don't think he's as bad as some people on here suggest. People seem to deride his tendency to put the ball on his boot too quickly without looking ahead. However, there are some coaches, judging by their comments, that appear to encourage this sort of play as a quick clearance from the centre bounce, in order to create havoc for opposition defenses. I guess it all depends on how well equipped a team is to be able to put on a forward press and make effective use of a quick, in-coming ball, or to lock the ball into the forward half.

With that said, whilst I was disappointed when Rischitelli left, I think we've probably been able to cover his loss, given that we've put a lot of time into younger midfielders. Also, unfortunately for Rischitelli, his 2012 was well below what he'd put on the park in the previous 3-4 seasons. It was hard to tell if this was purely injury-related, or whether it may have also had something to do with the development of GC and the role he was asked to play.

 

[Dan12]

Rischitelli is a good player (despite poor ball use) and is wasting a career at Gold Coast at the moment.

 

[WhiteLionFeva]

Jay van Berlo de-listed by Freo. Would not be adverse to picking him up cheap. Looked to be a good player but apparently there is an application problem of some sort. Don't know if it's attitude/behavioural or not though.

Average disposal is Van Berlo's biggest problem (same as Rischa). Couldn't see Vossy wanting the latter back - too much water under the bridge. Maloney would be ideal as a short term fix at the right price.

 

[WhiteLionFeva]

Also, unfortunately for Rischitelli, his 2012 was well below what he'd put on the park in the previous 3-4 seasons. It was hard to tell if this was purely injury-related, or whether it may have also had something to do with the development of GC and the role he was asked to play.

I always thought he elevated his game in his last year with the Lions to increase his marketability when he knew he was leaving. Hasn't been anywhere near that level since and I don't think it is due to injury or a different role/game plan.

 

[PattyKwasagun]

I always thought he elevated his game in his last year with the Lions to increase his marketability when he knew he was leaving. Hasn't been anywhere near that level since and I don't think it is due to injury or a different role/game plan.

That would mean he's purposely playing below his capabilities now. I don't think there are many footballers out there who would do that.

Rischitelli is a good player (despite poor ball use) and is wasting a career at Gold Coast at the moment.

Agree. Sadly, I think the same can be said of Ablett. He'll go down as an elite player, but I doubt he'll be in the same category as Voss, Hird, and Buckley (as players, that is - with the club loyalty not taken into account). A bit unfortunate, as on his footballing abilities he probably deserves to be.

Jay van Berlo de-listed by Freo. Would not be adverse to picking him up cheap. Looked to be a good player but apparently there is an application problem of some sort. Don't know if it's attitude/behavioural or not though.

I'm keen, but am worried it might be the last name that's drawing me in and little else.

 

[PattyKwasagun]

I think if we do pick up an experienced midfielder, it will be one who will just be here for one or two years. I've said this, but I don't think we'll go for someone who is expecting a long career. With a big group who can play in the middle well currently developing, and you'd think one or two added to that group in the draft this year, it wouldn't make much sense to go after an average player with five or six years left in him. Vossy's comments in the Q&A reflect this thought, that we'll be after someone who can fill a role in the short term rather than the long term.

I promised a bit of research on the matter, and here it is - the players who could technically fall into that category:
(This list doesn't take contracts, likelihood of leaving, or any other factors into account other than if they are an experienced mid nearing the end of their career).

Ian Callinan - 29 years old, can play as a midfielder as well as small forward.
Brent Reilly - 28 years old, plays mostly as a tagger so may not fit in, but an option perhaps.
Andrew Embley - 31 years old, more of a wingman/forward, but could add a bit of experience in the middle.
Daniel Kerr - 29 years old, not much needs to be said of his talents.
Domenic Cassisi - 29 years old, Port captain but not as ingrained at the club as most captains are.
Kane Cornes - 29 years old, would be very odd for him to join our club, but meets the job description.
Jude Bolton - 32 years old, hasn't announced his intentions for next season yet.
Daniel Cross - 29 years old, one of many experienced Bulldogs players they may be willing to move on.
Daniel Giansiracusa - 30 years old, a utility who would bring a lot of experience with him.
Matthew Boyd - 30 years old, one who we may (with a bit of work) be able to snatch from the Dogs and would pretty much be perfect for what we need.
Andrew Carrazzo - 28 years old, important to Carlton but I'm not sure he's untouchable.
Heath Scotland - 32 years old, nearing the end but could be good for a year.
Nathan Lovett-Murray - 29 years old, talented, and could do the job if needed.
James Kelly - 28 years old, comes from a great culture at Geelong and would cover perfectly for a few years while we wait for others to develop.
Chance Bateman - 31 years old, we could get him quite easily from the Hawks. Probably just has one year in him, though.
Colin Sylvia - 26 years old, so younger than most others on here, but could be much better than he's shown so far at the Dees in my opinion.
Brent Moloney - 28 years old, has officially informed the Dees that he plans to leave, and fits the bill.
Shane Tuck - 30 years old, strong rumours that he may be leaving, and would be in my top three to fill this role.
Danyle Pearce - 26 years old, only really mentioned here due to the fact he's been brought up in this thread often.
Clinton Jones - 28 years old, one of St Kilda's experienced group that might be poachable.
Leigh Montagna - 28 years old, and St Kilda would not want to lose him so we'd have to pay a fair bit. Would be great though.
Brendon Goddard - 27 years old, I personally think he's better in a key post but could play the midfield role.
Nick Dal Santo - 28 years old, superstar for St Kilda and would probably cost far too much. Would be perfect though.

So that's the list as I see it. Obviously even outside that there would be quite a few at state level who could do the job.

Anyone on there seem an attractive prospect? I think Boyd or Tuck would do very nicely.

 

[PTizzle]

If Black was retiring I'd make a play for Tuck, but honestly most of those blokes are either too ingrained, not good enough or too expensive to get.

 

[chopperduck]

Wouldn't take Riska back even if he came begging. Nothing personal against the bloke, but he walked from us, that was his choice, now he can deal with that.

He has been pretty good for the suns though, injuries this year haven't helped him. Still a good fit for that mob down the road.

 

[Football Pope]

If Black was retiring I'd make a play for Tuck, but honestly most of those blokes are either too ingrained, not good enough or too expensive to get.

Which Tuck?...Shane will be 31 in Dec.. Last year at the Club review he told Hardwick he was going to retire that he'd had enough... not getting games in the seniors he was going to join his brother Travis..There was talk that he may pull the pin and go out on his terms...

Travis is 24. Not sure too many Clubs want the baggage....first player in the AFL to be suspended under the illicit drug code....Training the house down at Werribee and playing like a man desperate in getting back into the AFL system.

 

[Jas_epi421]

I think if we do pick up an experienced midfielder, it will be one who will just be here for one or two years. I've said this, but I don't think we'll go for someone who is expecting a long career. With a big group who can play in the middle well currently developing, and you'd think one or two added to that group in the draft this year, it wouldn't make much sense to go after an average player with five or six years left in him. Vossy's comments in the Q&A reflect this thought, that we'll be after someone who can fill a role in the short term rather than the long term.

I promised a bit of research on the matter, and here it is - the players who could technically fall into that category:
(This list doesn't take contracts, likelihood of leaving, or any other factors into account other than if they are an experienced mid nearing the end of their career).

Ian Callinan - 29 years old, can play as a midfielder as well as small forward.
Brent Reilly - 28 years old, plays mostly as a tagger so may not fit in, but an option perhaps.
Andrew Embley - 31 years old, more of a wingman/forward, but could add a bit of experience in the middle.
Daniel Kerr - 29 years old, not much needs to be said of his talents.
Domenic Cassisi - 29 years old, Port captain but not as ingrained at the club as most captains are.
Kane Cornes - 29 years old, would be very odd for him to join our club, but meets the job description.
Jude Bolton - 32 years old, hasn't announced his intentions for next season yet.
Daniel Cross - 29 years old, one of many experienced Bulldogs players they may be willing to move on.
Daniel Giansiracusa - 30 years old, a utility who would bring a lot of experience with him.
Matthew Boyd - 30 years old, one who we may (with a bit of work) be able to snatch from the Dogs and would pretty much be perfect for what we need.
Andrew Carrazzo - 28 years old, important to Carlton but I'm not sure he's untouchable.
Heath Scotland - 32 years old, nearing the end but could be good for a year.
Nathan Lovett-Murray - 29 years old, talented, and could do the job if needed.
James Kelly - 28 years old, comes from a great culture at Geelong and would cover perfectly for a few years while we wait for others to develop.
Chance Bateman - 31 years old, we could get him quite easily from the Hawks. Probably just has one year in him, though.
Colin Sylvia - 26 years old, so younger than most others on here, but could be much better than he's shown so far at the Dees in my opinion.
Brent Moloney - 28 years old, has officially informed the Dees that he plans to leave, and fits the bill.
Shane Tuck - 30 years old, strong rumours that he may be leaving, and would be in my top three to fill this role.
Danyle Pearce - 26 years old, only really mentioned here due to the fact he's been brought up in this thread often.
Clinton Jones - 28 years old, one of St Kilda's experienced group that might be poachable.
Leigh Montagna - 28 years old, and St Kilda would not want to lose him so we'd have to pay a fair bit. Would be great though.
Brendon Goddard - 27 years old, I personally think he's better in a key post but could play the midfield role.
Nick Dal Santo - 28 years old, superstar for St Kilda and would probably cost far too much. Would be perfect though.

So that's the list as I see it. Obviously even outside that there would be quite a few at state level who could do the job.

Anyone on there seem an attractive prospect? I think Boyd or Tuck would do very nicely.

Moloney for me, he's 28 got talent and more importantly he's a free agent! And it seems the lions are going to be open to trades this trade period so we may inquire about a few overs on this list.

 

[Sanchez365]

Good write up PattyK, I would welcome any of Boyd/Kelly/Sylvia/Tuck but I doubt we have much chance in bringing any of those guys in. My top pick would be Kelly, but I'm pretty sure he's a Geelong man through and through. Fits the bill very nicely though.

Just had a look on the AFL websites "Trade Machine" and while there isn't much new info I was surprised to see Nick Lower on the outer with fans at Freo. Seemed like a pretty solid mature aged pick up last year (has he been injured this year?) and someone I would inquire about. The only other player not going to be delisted that looked ok was Aaron Edwards from North but I don't really see a spot in our team for him.

 

[Bucking Beads]

I really don't think we need an older mid. Rather go for someone who is going to add to the side. Just don't see much value in it. Most of our mids are bigger bodied anyway.

 

[WhiteLionFeva]

If we want a bigger body, we could always get Fev back - seen his body lately?

 

[POBT]

I'd rather this bloke:

 

[T Rick]

I'd rather this bloke:

Darren Jarman?

 

[Jas_epi421]

I would prefer cartman over fev

 

[dlanod]

He's in shape.

Round's a shape.

 

[3KZ is Football]

I think if we do pick up an experienced midfielder, it will be one who will just be here for one or two years. I've said this, but I don't think we'll go for someone who is expecting a long career. With a big group who can play in the middle well currently developing, and you'd think one or two added to that group in the draft this year, it wouldn't make much sense to go after an average player with five or six years left in him. Vossy's comments in the Q&A reflect this thought, that we'll be after someone who can fill a role in the short term rather than the long term.

Ian Callinan - 29 years old, can play as a midfielder as well as small forward.
Brent Reilly - 28 years old, plays mostly as a tagger so may not fit in, but an option perhaps.
Andrew Embley - 31 years old, more of a wingman/forward, but could add a bit of experience in the middle.
Daniel Kerr - 29 years old, not much needs to be said of his talents.
Domenic Cassisi - 29 years old, Port captain but not as ingrained at the club as most captains are.
Kane Cornes - 29 years old, would be very odd for him to join our club, but meets the job description.
Jude Bolton - 32 years old, hasn't announced his intentions for next season yet.
Daniel Cross - 29 years old, one of many experienced Bulldogs players they may be willing to move on.
Daniel Giansiracusa - 30 years old, a utility who would bring a lot of experience with him.
Matthew Boyd - 30 years old, one who we may (with a bit of work) be able to snatch from the Dogs and would pretty much be perfect for what we need.
Andrew Carrazzo - 28 years old, important to Carlton but I'm not sure he's untouchable.
Heath Scotland - 32 years old, nearing the end but could be good for a year.
Nathan Lovett-Murray - 29 years old, talented, and could do the job if needed.
James Kelly - 28 years old, comes from a great culture at Geelong and would cover perfectly for a few years while we wait for others to develop.
Chance Bateman - 31 years old, we could get him quite easily from the Hawks. Probably just has one year in him, though.
Colin Sylvia - 26 years old, so younger than most others on here, but could be much better than he's shown so far at the Dees in my opinion.
Brent Moloney - 28 years old, has officially informed the Dees that he plans to leave, and fits the bill.
Shane Tuck - 30 years old, strong rumours that he may be leaving, and would be in my top three to fill this role.
Danyle Pearce - 26 years old, only really mentioned here due to the fact he's been brought up in this thread often.
Clinton Jones - 28 years old, one of St Kilda's experienced group that might be poachable.
Leigh Montagna - 28 years old, and St Kilda would not want to lose him so we'd have to pay a fair bit. Would be great though.
Brendon Goddard - 27 years old, I personally think he's better in a key post but could play the midfield role.
Nick Dal Santo - 28 years old, superstar for St Kilda and would probably cost far too much. Would be perfect though.

Out of this list the player I would be happy to see us splash some cash on would be Andrew Carrazzo. Every time I see him play, especially against us, he appears to have brought his own ball. If Carlton end up with Cloke on their list, it means there will be a bit of "belt tightening" there to accomodate Cloke's salary. You would have to think that Judd, Murphy and that big bloke they tanked to get, Kreuzer would have to remain on big money, which means someone like Carrazzo could be lured away with a better offer.

Carrazzo would be a great addition to our midfield group.

EDIT: Just checked and he averaged 24.6 disposals this season. The only Brisbane player to do better was Jack Redden who averaged 25 disposals per game,

 

[Quigley]

I am not sure there is enough room for both Carrazzo and Raines. Carrazzo gets more of the ball but his ball use is pretty much the same as Raines and Raines is younger and would be at least as good defensively.

Sylvia is probably the one I would have a bit of interest in. He has been very frustrating at Melb but he does have talent and he is the youngest of the group mentioned. He can also play both forward and through the midfield which would be handy with our current group.

 

[3KZ is Football]

I am not sure there is enough room for both Carrazzo and Raines. Carrazzo gets more of the ball but his ball use is pretty much the same as Raines and Raines is younger and would be at least as good defensively.

Sylvia is probably the one I would have a bit of interest in. He has been very frustrating at Melb but he does have talent and he is the youngest of the group mentioned. He can also play both forward and through the midfield which would be handy with our current group.

With Raines playing a more defensive role, spiced up with the occasional devestating barnstorming run into offence, I think that both would fit. I've never thought of Carrazzo as a "tagger" because when ever I've seen him he's been carving it up offensively.

Quigley, I'm not sure about Sylvia. Admittedly, I have never devoted much time or energy to studying him, but the general vibe I get is that he has "attitude" issues and I wouldn't want to be taking on another team's underperforming "head case" on the basis that we might be able to turn his head around. That said, I'm happy to concede you probably know more about him than I do.

 

[PattyKwasagun]

I'm going to target this one particularly to the NEAFL watchers on here, in particular maurie and thoselionslads but open to anyone - what about Nathan Gilliland?

Has impressed me every time I've seen him and to be honest I've wondered why he hasn't been picked up by an AFL club. Obviously he'd only probably have a year or two in him, and it'd be up in the air as to whether or not he'd adapt to AFL level, but surely the success of Zorko would be a little inspiring.

In terms of looking in our own backyard for someone who we'd get very cheap and could fill that role of experienced mid, I think he'd be an alright pickup. Cameron Illett from the Thunder is another who could do the same job.

 

[Quigley]

3KZ - your thoughts on Sylvia are not without some foundation although I get the impression that it is not some much that Sylvia is a head case as he is an individual that marches to his own beat. He has been frustrating for Melb supporters because he has obvious talent but has never really consistently applied it for an entire season. He had a poor first half of this year but finished very strongly. A significant thing for me would be that he has never got through an entire season. He gets nicked up a lot and always misses 5 or 6 games a year. He usually doesn't miss a heap of games but always a few at least. Since 2005 the most games he has played is 19 and the least is 16.