Opinion 2013 afl draft day discussion thread

[Mattrox]

Knight is (apparently, I've never seen him play) a versatile mid. Reports don't paint him as a one-paced inside player. He's played inside, outside, half forward. He's good at getting the ball and running with it so presumably he's not one-paced.

A distributor who runs all day says to me that we'll look to turn him into an outside player.

That's how I read it too.

 

[The Sloane Ranger]

Stunning. We have one midfielder with pace, one ruckman, one KPF and an army of one-paced inside mids.

And we pick two one-paced inside mids.

Looking at some of the players we passed up makes me feel unwell.

Oh well, got to trust in the club.

Looking forward to the rookie draft more than is healthy.

Knight isn't one paced and he is more than an inside player

 

[cmndstab]

Like Danger. We want to prolong his career.

My hope with Danger is that we turn him into the ultimate headache. Put in inside for a while, outside for a while, up forward for a while. Very few players can go with him in even one position, let alone all of them, and he can dominate in all three roles so the opposition can't afford to just let him off the hook.

Despite claims that we have an "army" of inside players, what we really have is Thompson who is heading towards his final years, Dangerfield, and Brad Crouch. Douglas, Grigg and Sloane can all play either role with most suggesting they're better on the outside. Dangerfield can certainly play either role.

You cannot win a flag without an elite engine room, which remains elite when rotations or injuries force a player or two out of it. To be able to add to that quality with pick 23 is a bonus.

 

[Paladin]

I keep seeing how lucky we are that Crouch slid. It has nothing to do with luck - every other club was scared off by his lack of pace, lack of endurance and a few other things. Nothing to do with luck.

Like they got scared off Grigg? Hopefully works out just as well. M.Crouch is a massive talent loved his highlights we are going to have a beastly midfield.

 

[Schulzycrow]

My hope with Danger is that we turn him into the ultimate headache. Put in inside for a while, outside for a while, up forward for a while. Very few players can go with him in even one position, let alone all of them, and he can dominate in all three roles so the opposition can't afford to just let him off the hook.

Despite claims that we have an "army" of inside players, what we really have is Thompson who is heading towards his final years, Dangerfield, and Brad Crouch. Douglas, Grigg and Sloane can all play either role with most suggesting they're better on the outside. Dangerfield can certainly play either role.

You cannot win a flag without an elite engine room, which remains elite when rotations or injuries force a player or two out of it. To be able to add to that quality with pick 23 is a bonus.

Amen to this.

Another week to wait for who we pick up with our rookie draft selections.
Does anyone know what the order is?

 

[Tex200]

Like they got scared off Grigg? Hopefully works out just as well. M.Crouch is a massive talent loved his highlights we are going to have a beastly midfield.

Touché

 

[adelaidecrows]

Knight is supposed to be pacey with a tank and can accumulate on the outside....... Is what we are reading all wrong?

He is highly rated and was one of the best performers for SA all over the ground. Seems to be a few experts on here tonight with no idea!

 

[adelaidecrows]

What on earth were GWS thinking? Are they planning on stockpiling every young tall forward in the country? Been critical of their recruiting from the beginning, doesn't seem to be improving.

To be honest I think this is extremely good recruiting. They know they are years away from a premiership and are trying to sort out there list. With a forward line of Patton, Boyd and Cameron under their belt they can trade excess stock next season for premier mids or top shelf draft picks to stock up on mids. This is incredibly smart to get your development into your talls early on. Tall forwards will take 4 years to really hit their straps as mids only 2 years. So we can almost predict within 3 - 5 seasons GWS will be a top 4 side easily.

 

[mattymac]

Jesus Hawks have loaded up on pace.

Best thing about this draft is Aish will be a crow in 2016

 

[fabs33]

To be honest I think this is extremely good recruiting. They know they are years away from a premiership and are trying to sort out there list. With a forward line of Patton, Boyd and Cameron under their belt they can trade excess stock next season for premier mids or top shelf draft picks to stock up on mids. This is incredibly smart to get your development into your talls early on. Tall forwards will take 4 years to really hit their straps as mids only 2 years. So we can almost predict within 3 - 5 seasons GWS will be a top 4 side easily.

In theory I think that might work, however it might also hurt their development, someone will have to play a role they're not used to.

 

[Hendersloane]

Pretty happy with Crouch and Knight.

And another 4 players drafted from WWT

 

[Allefgib]

Bit surprised durmont slid a bit.

 

[Captain Furious]

To be honest I think this is extremely good recruiting. They know they are years away from a premiership and are trying to sort out there list. With a forward line of Patton, Boyd and Cameron under their belt they can trade excess stock next season for premier mids or top shelf draft picks to stock up on mids. This is incredibly smart to get your development into your talls early on. Tall forwards will take 4 years to really hit their straps as mids only 2 years. So we can almost predict within 3 - 5 seasons GWS will be a top 4 side easily.

That is ******ed. Why would you develop a KPF then trade them for peanuts because they couldn't get a game, due to the 5 other KPF. Boyd, fair enough but McCarthy too?

The only reasonable explanation is Cameron plans to develop a couple as CHBs, which is a much more important position than CHF in the modern game. Some of the great CHFs like Carey and Brereton, would have made amazing CHBs but CHF was a vital position then. With today's running, spreading game, CHF more often gets bypassed. Imagine a 200cm super agile Boyd patrolling CHB.

Or more likely, GWS are just stupid.

 

[Macca19]

Im not sure youre thinking about it correctly. Them stock piling 1st round KPFs is a brilliant strategy.

 

[adelaidecrows]

That is ******ed. Why would you develop a KPF then trade them for peanuts because they couldn't get a game, due to the 5 other KPF. Boyd, fair enough but McCarthy too?

The only reasonable explanation is Cameron plans to develop a couple as CHBs, which is a much more important position than CHF in the modern game. Some of the great CHFs like Carey and Brereton, would have made amazing CHBs but CHF was a vital position then. With today's running, spreading game, CHF more often gets bypassed. Imagine a 200cm super agile Boyd patrolling CHB.

Or more likely, GWS are just stupid.

Why would they be trading them for peanuts?? as I said it takes 4 years to develop Big key forwards. Why wouldn't you spend all your drafting power in your formative years on getting as many big men as possible and developing them. Good quality mids are a dime a dozen in the draft and only take 2 years to develop. Logic suggests that if your planning an assault on the premiership and you have to build for it you get the guys who take the longest sorted out first. I would suggest you look at the big picture. It would be very rare these days for a club to go "duhhh we will take that one because he a big one"!

 

[jackster83]

Im not sure youre thinking about it correctly. Them stock piling 1st round KPFs is a brilliant strategy.

Stockpiling talls worked out well for us.

Their problem is that the mids they used high picks on have shown two tenths of **** all so far, apart from Whitfield. They also lost Adams and Tyson out of that lot.

 

[cmndstab]

Gws stockpiling quality talls might be questionable if they didn't already have a talent-stacked midfield, but they do.

 

[dylan123]

Im not sure youre thinking about it correctly. Them stock piling 1st round KPFs is a brilliant strategy.

In theory I think it works well however in practice I'm not so sure. With some of these KP forwards lower down on the list, will they get any games at AFL level? And more then enough to sure their potential as a KP forward? That's what they'll need to do to interest clubs enough to create a bidding war/up their value.

More often than not, we see players leaving their old clubs for more opportunities without their new clubs having to give up much as the player they're getting are often very unproven at AFL level due to that lack of opportunity meaning they're not worth that much.

 

[Macca19]

Stockpiling talls worked out well for us.

Their problem is that the mids they used high picks on have shown two tenths of **** all so far, apart from Whitfield. They also lost Adams and Tyson out of that lot.

I guess theres a difference between stockpiling guys like James Craig & Aaron Kite compared to first round picks, but even so, you guys have lost a shitload of talls to delistings/other clubs over the last few years and still have plenty there. Any other club wouldnt have been able to withstand that without completely falling over in a heap.

Their starting midfield is Palmer 24, Ward 23, Scully 22, Treloar 20, Shiel 20, Smith 20, Greene 20, Coniglio 19, Whitfield 19. And thats still with other highly rated first rounders in Sumner 20, WHE 20, O'Rourke 19, Haynes 20 and now Kelly 18 waiting in the wings. If they picked another bunch of midfielders people would say 'why do they need more midfielders, they wont get a game'.

Either way they have too much of something.

If Jacksh & McCarthy even become half decent, in 2-3 years time when they are starting to really push for top 4 they'll be able to trade these guys off for ready made players or more first rounders to push them closer to a flag.

 

[Hank93]

Gws stockpiling quality talls might be questionable if they didn't already have a talent-stacked midfield, but they do.

Talls: Boyd, Cameron, Patton, Giles, Phillips, Corr, Tomlinson, Jaksch, Mumford, Downie, Frost, Stewart, McCarthy, Lobb.

Mids: Whitfield, Shiel, Greene, Sumner, Coniglio, Kelly, Smith, Hoskin-Elliot, Palmer, Ward, Scully, O'Rourke.

 

[Allefgib]

Talls: Boyd, Cameron, Patton, Giles, Phillips, Corr, Tomlinson, Jaksch, Mumford, Downie, Frost, Stewart, McCarthy, Lobb.

Mids: Whitfield, Shiel, Greene, Sumner, Coniglio, Kelly, Smith, Hoskin-Elliot, Palmer, Ward, Scully, O'Rourke.

So only one guy not making the emergency list... seems a good mix

 

[Captain Furious]

Why would they be trading them for peanuts?? as I said it takes 4 years to develop Big key forwards. Why wouldn't you spend all your drafting power in your formative years on getting as many big men as possible and developing them. Good quality mids are a dime a dozen in the draft and only take 2 years to develop. Logic suggests that if your planning an assault on the premiership and you have to build for it you get the guys who take the longest sorted out first. I would suggest you look at the big picture. It would be very rare these days for a club to go "duhhh we will take that one because he a big one"!

They would be trading them for peanuts because they would have had no game time. No-one trades big for guys playing reserves.

Your cookie cutter formula is heavily flawed. Big forwards take 4 years? Like Jeremy Cameron or Lance Franklin, who almost topped and topped the league goalkicking in their second years.

And mids take 2 years? Like Gary Ablett, Jobe Watson and Josh Kennedy? Who were well into their 20s before becoming stars.

Forget the football cliches mate. You can do better than that.

 

[Captain Furious]

I guess theres a difference between stockpiling guys like James Craig & Aaron Kite compared to first round picks, but even so, you guys have lost a shitload of talls to delistings/other clubs over the last few years and still have plenty there. Any other club wouldnt have been able to withstand that without completely falling over in a heap.

Their starting midfield is Palmer 24, Ward 23, Scully 22, Treloar 20, Shiel 20, Smith 20, Greene 20, Coniglio 19, Whitfield 19. And thats still with other highly rated first rounders in Sumner 20, WHE 20, O'Rourke 19, Haynes 20 and now Kelly 18 waiting in the wings. If they picked another bunch of midfielders people would say 'why do they need more midfielders, they wont get a game'.

Either way they have too much of something.

If Jacksh & McCarthy even become half decent, in 2-3 years time when they are starting to really push for top 4 they'll be able to trade these guys off for ready made players or more first rounders to push them closer to a flag.

Are KPPs and midfielders the only type of player you can have?

 

[Mattrox]

They would be trading them for peanuts because they would have had no game time. No-one trades big for guys playing reserves.

Your cookie cutter formula is heavily flawed. Big forwards take 4 years? Like Jeremy Cameron or Lance Franklin, who almost topped and topped the league goalkicking in their second years.

And mids take 2 years? Like Gary Ablett, Jobe Watson and Josh Kennedy? Who were well into their 20s before becoming stars.

Forget the football cliches mate. You can do better than that.

They'll be keeping the Elite of the elite and they will be down sizing their list. They won't care if they only get peanuts.

 

[marty36]

They'll be keeping the Elite of the elite and they will be down sizing their list. They won't care if they only get peanuts.

I agree, they are banking on producing a superstar, like Franklin, Brown or Carey the whole team is built around the ability of one of these gun players. And their pure talent makes up for a lot of issues in the team. Like North Melbournes ability to bomb the ball to Carey without having to work it in. Bit of a punt but they dont have much to lose they are not expected to do a deliver a great deal at this stage.