2013 Draft Discussion

[POBT]

I felt sure that when I logged on this morning there would be some mention of picking up Ben Brown on here. He had a decent game on Fox last night despite the commentators overhyping him. I have had him in my mock for the last couple of years and I am pretty confident someone will give him a chance this year after a year in the VFL.

I watched him quite closely for the first quarter or so. Was a bit hard to really tell because the opposition was a couple of rungs below but he meets the ball at the highest point, is pretty light on his feet and didn't appear to mind a bit of contact. I'd like to see him against better opposition but he's got some tools.

 

[Triple R]

I'll be heading down the the Perth v Swan Districts WAFL game this Saturday since our league has the bye this weekend. I've been really keen to see Dayle Garlett this year and thankfully an opportunity has presented itself. A lot of talk about how much he has improved and the impact he is having on the field. I'll certainly report back what I see.

 

[HiiP3Rmau5]

Wouldn't mind us picking up Jake Grieser with a late pick or as rookie. Would be another option as an big bodied mid if conway doesn't pan out as expected

 

[Dylan12]

I know it would probably be an unpopular decision, but we would have to be giving serious thought to drafting another ruckman wouldn't we, even if as a speculative pick?

Obviously with Leuey and Martin out, the thought crossed my mind that should something happen to Longer, we would be stuffed or is Michael capable enough?

 

[Bert Man]

I know it would probably be an unpopular decision, but we would have to be giving serious thought to drafting another ruckman wouldn't we, even if as a speculative pick?

Obviously with Leuey and Martin out, the thought crossed my mind that should something happen to Longer, we would be stuffed or is Michael capable enough?

If we draft another Ruckman it should be with a late pick and a mature aged ruckman. If we want ruckman for depth we won't get one who is 18 and ready to go in the 3rd/4th round.

 

[Dylan12]

If we draft another Ruckman it should be with a late pick and a mature aged ruckman. If we want ruckman for depth we won't get one who is 18 and ready to go in the 3rd/4th round.

Oh yeah, definitely a spec pick even if just a rookie.

I just haven't seen enough of Michael to know whether he is capable to play as a main ruck. No doubt some of our more astute ressie watchers would be able to comment.

 

[Harris Specter]

I know it would probably be an unpopular decision, but we would have to be giving serious thought to drafting another ruckman wouldn't we, even if as a speculative pick?

Obviously with Leuey and Martin out, the thought crossed my mind that should something happen to Longer, we would be stuffed or is Michael capable enough?

Simon Black says hi.

But I get where you're coming from. It's perhaps worth it to take another ruckman with a late pick but it would be highly unlikely that all 3 of our ruckmen are injured again at the same time.

 

[Dylan12]

But I get where you're coming from. It's perhaps worth it to take another ruckman with a late pick but it would be highly unlikely that all 3 of our ruckmen are injured again at the same time.

Unfortunately its happened more often than you'd think at the Lions.

 

[dlanod]

Unfortunately its happened more often than you'd think at the Lions.

Looking back at our premiership years, the number of players who turned a gig as our 4th string ruckman into a starting gig elsewhere was surprisingly high exactly because of the number of ruck injuries meaning they'd get game time, and with the standard of the players they were tapping to... Well, it made Dylan McLaren look like an AFL player.

 

[Dylan12]

Well, it made Dylan McLaren look like an AFL player.

Hey, go easy on the Big D dlanod

He did alright for a 196cm ruckman in his 46 quality games!

 

[Lionator]

I think we have enough big guys with the likes of Close, Paperone, Lilse, Martin, Longer, Clarke, Michael and Luey to use our high picks on

We need more ready made mids/classy smalls like Rich, Zorko, Stringer, Wines or Mayes. We need a Simon black replacement more than anything! What are we without Black a Moloney??......

 

[captainrich]

I think we have enough big guys with the likes of Close, Paperone, Lilse, Martin, Longer, Clarke, Michael and Luey to use our high picks on

We need more ready made mids/classy smalls like Rich, Zorko, Stringer, Wines or Mayes. We need a Simon black replacement more than anything! What are we without Black a Moloney??......

simon blacks dont grow on trees

 

[Lionator]

simon blacks dont grow on trees

Exactly! The hole he is going to leave is huge. Bigger than the hole Brown leaves IMHO. We are simply terrible in clearances. Maloney was recruited to help win the centre and he's been better than we could of expected, but he older as well. 2 years left if we're lucky.

We need some clearance monsters. Lester excited me against Essendon but we need more. Rich, Redden and Rockcliff are better as the second man in; running off players like Maloney and Black

 

[acuguy]

I stand by my decision of trading in 2 quality mids at the next draft. Merrett will need to go forward when Brown retires. We need to scour the lists for young forwards and make a big play for someone who we rate but is either underperforming or not getting a go.

 

[acuguy]

I stand by my decision of trading in 2 quality mids at the next draft. Merrett will need to go forward when Brown retires. We need to scour the lists for young forwards and make a big play for someone who we rate but is either underperforming or not getting a go.

Sorry, throw some big bucks at Lachlan Keefe! High risk, but quality young key position footballer.

 

[chopperduck]

I also agree that we need some true inside clearance mids. Even vs the blues, Black and Moloney were the ones that really got us going in the middle, both are not long term options. To be fair, i wouldn't exactly call any of the 3R's clearance mids, so i think it is something we really do lack. If Boyd is as good as he is being made out, then we simply must get him, but if he goes before our pick, we need to hit up clearance mids.

I'd like to stick to FA as much as possible when it comes to new players, we still need to keep quality kids coming in the door, so we can't trade too many picks away, especially high ones. I like the way we've gone with Martin and Moloney, they add good depth to our team. Hopefully we can maybe take another dip in the FA pool this year and get some value players.

 

[Lionator]

I also agree that we need some true inside clearance mids. Even vs the blues, Black and Moloney were the ones that really got us going in the middle, both are not long term options. To be fair, i wouldn't exactly call any of the 3R's clearance mids, so i think it is something we really do lack. If Boyd is as good as he is being made out, then we simply must get him, but if he goes before our pick, we need to hit up clearance mids.

I'd like to stick to FA as much as possible when it comes to new players, we still need to keep quality kids coming in the door, so we can't trade too many picks away, especially high ones. I like the way we've gone with Martin and Moloney, they add good depth to our team. Hopefully we can maybe take another dip in the FA pool this year and get some value players.

We have to go for the big guns if we do go down that path. Who are the clearance monster available on free agency?

 

[irel]

I stand by my decision of trading in 2 quality mids at the next draft. Merrett will need to go forward when Brown retires. We need to scour the lists for young forwards and make a big play for someone who we rate but is either underperforming or not getting a go.

You mean someone like Cornelius, Lisle, Martin but on someone else's list?

 

[irel]

Sorry, throw some big bucks at Lachlan Keefe! High risk, but quality young key position footballer.

Ahh, I'm not clear, please explain to me how a late soccer into footy convert who's been on a list for four five years with limited game time and coming back from an ACL is better player than Clarke, Michael, McKeever, Bourke, Close or even Lisle and Martin as options? How many do we want?
IMO that is one area where we are not deficient.

 

[Haso]

I think we have enough big guys with the likes of Close, Paperone, Lilse, Martin, Longer, Clarke, Michael and Luey to use our high picks on

We need more ready made mids/classy smalls like Rich, Zorko, Stringer, Wines or Mayes. We need a Simon black replacement more than anything! What are we without Black a Moloney??......

I don't think Stringer is that small. Isn't be in the low 190s?

Would still have been handy though.

 

[dlanod]

Ahh, I'm not clear, please explain to me how a late soccer into footy convert who's been on a list for four five years with limited game time and coming back from an ACL is better player than Clarke, Michael, McKeever, Bourke, Close or even Lisle and Martin as options? How many do we want?
IMO that is one area where we are not deficient.

But he's a Queenslander, which makes him better than all of those except for Michael, and the fact that he's on someone else's list means he's better than Michael.

Don't you know anything, irel!

 

[Toffee Lion]

I don't think Stringer is that small. Isn't be in the low 190s?

Would still have been handy though.

191, so not small.

Bewick is 183 for example, shows how good his leaping capabilities are up forward.

 

[POBT]

But I get where you're coming from. It's perhaps worth it to take another ruckman with a late pick but it would be highly unlikely that all 3 of our ruckmen are injured again at the same time.

I think our ruck depth is probably as good or better than any club in the comp. Project it out 3 years - we'll have two 2 top 10 draft picks at their peak, a 29yo Stefan Martin plus Michael and Close who are genuine pinch hitting size. You could include Lisle and Merrett as potential short term options too.

Qld also seems to produce a higher proportion of rucks or "ruck utilities" - if that trend continues, we may end up adding one via the Academy or rookie draft at some point.

I'm just not seeing ruck as a strategic need right now.

 

[irel]

But he's a Queenslander, which makes him better than all of those except for Michael, and the fact that he's on someone else's list means he's better than Michael.

Don't you know anything, irel!

Obviously not dlanod. I forgot the two prime principles of trading on the Brisbane BF forum. Any QLDer is better than any non-QLDder on our list and the "grass is always greener" on another team list.

 

[Hollow Knight]

Ahh, I'm not clear, please explain to me how a late soccer into footy convert who's been on a list for four five years with limited game time and coming back from an ACL is better player than Clarke, Michael, McKeever, Bourke, Close or even Lisle and Martin as options? How many do we want?
IMO that is one area where we are not deficient.

Because anyone not getting a game for Collingwood is a superstar in waiting. Just like during our premiership era... blokes like McLaren, Shattock, Knobel couldn't crack a regular game and they went to new clubs and become absolute stars mate. Same thing with Geelong... Prismall and Gillies are tearing it up at their new clubs.