List Mgmt. 2013 DRAFT

[Stamos]

Jordan Russell was an unrestricted free agent as well that walked out on the club before trade period began...gee wiz.

The trade was done well after the initial free agency period though, so he no longer qualified.

Although, it didn't really make sense that each club bothered with a trade, seeing as it was a pick that neither club would use, it didn't matter.

 

[pinot]

The trade was done well after the initial free agency period though, so he no longer qualified.

Although, it didn't really make sense that each club bothered with a trade, seeing as it was a pick that neither club would use, it didn't matter.

I am not going to say you are not bright, because that serves me no purpose other than some keyboard warriors here masquerading as heroes. Dude - he is on Geelongs books until October 31.. the only way we get him for absolutely nothing is November 1st not in this trade period.. Chappy is effectively up for grabs from ALL 17 clubs but not for absolutely nothing (this means pick 100 or whatever) in this TRADE period. We can only get him for nothing AFTER list lodgement on October 31. I'm not wishy washy dude I am as consistent and honest as you get. Sorry for having to repeat myself but I feel I have to and no more posts from me on this subject - finis.... Rules are Rules.

 

[SE_Blue]

http://www.afl.com.au/news/2013-05-21/where-your-clubs-free-agents-are-at

GEELONG
Free agents:
Paul Chapman (unrestricted)

FA period closes on October 18. Chapman is an unrestricted free agent. We can make him an offer as a UFA until October 18.

 

[pinot]

There is no band/grading on Chappy comp pick,, it's like pick 70 so what's the point? Like Daniel Cross as well - no point going through unrestricted free agent we can just offer Geelong fifth round pick and he is ours.. GWS can offer fourth round pick and we will need to increase our offer for his wages + 5th round pick... GWS does the same + fourth round pick..this isn't a Betts, Buddy, Daisy scenario as compo pick is worthless like Jordan Russels where it had no band/grading.

 

[Bradschi]

Well one of us gets to say "I told you so" when this all ends.
So let's wait and see.

 

[Stamos]

I am not going to say you are not bright, because that serves me no purpose other than some keyboard warriors here masquerading as heroes. Dude - he is on Geelongs books until October 31.. the only way we get him for absolutely nothing is November 1st not in this trade period.. Chappy is effectively up for grabs from ALL 17 clubs but not for absolutely nothing (this means pick 100 or whatever) in this TRADE period. We can only get him for nothing AFTER list lodgement on October 31. I'm not wishy washy dude I am as consistent and honest as you get. Sorry for having to repeat myself but I feel I have to and no more posts from me on this subject - finis.... Rules are Rules.

As per the post below yours, you are wrong.
It doesn't matter how bright I am, but in this instance, I am right.

 

[pinot]

Even if you are not right, I won't say you were wrong I'll probably forget it. No point...if you were one of my staff however..... meeting room now. loll

No matter what happens providing you understand he is on Geelongs books and can move to GWS for example if GWS offer 4th rd pick and $500k - no compo pick for Chappy its not worth anything club can offer 6th round pick and deal is done. If you understand that then cool

 

[Stamos]

Even if you are not right, I won't say you were wrong I'll probably forget it. No point...if you were one of my staff however..... meeting room now. loll

No matter what happens providing you understand he is on Geelongs books and can move to GWS for example if GWS offer 4th rd pick and $500k - no compo pick for Chappy its not worth anything club can offer 6th round pick and deal is done. If you understand that then cool

He can move to GWS, if he so chooses, without a trade, prior to October 18th (just like Buddy went to Swans, Eddie went to Crows, Thomas came to us).

If he doesn't go by FA by then, then he could be traded as per JR for a meaningless pick, if they didn't want to wait until November 1.

 

[ODNBlue]

Even if you are not right, I won't say you were wrong I'll probably forget it. No point...if you were one of my staff however..... meeting room now. loll

No matter what happens providing you understand he is on Geelongs books and can move to GWS for example if GWS offer 4th rd pick and $500k - no compo pick for Chappy its not worth anything club can offer 6th round pick and deal is done. If you understand that then cool

I can only assume you're basing your thoughts on the fact that Geelong has delisted Chappy and you're treating him as a delisted free agent. A delisted free agent goes into the delisted free agency period (of which there are three) with the first from the 1st of Nov to the 13th of Nov. However, Chappy is a 14 year veteran who has come out of contract. He is an Unrestricted Free Agent and may seek and execute a contract directly with a new club in the free agency trade period, which spans the 1st of October to the 19th of October. Papers must be submitted to the AFL within 7 days of the agreement being reached or by the end of this period, whichever is first.

Hence, unless the AFL sit on the submission of papers for two weeks (I suppose I wouldn't put it past them), Chappy will become a member of his new team immediately. As he has complete and total choice over which club he chooses, what any club offers Geelong has absolutely no bearing on his choice.

 

[pinot]

He is a delisted free agent only after first list lodgement (October 31). He is delisted but technically a Geelong player until that date when he is officially not on the Geelong list (but he still is during the trade period). He is worthless as compensation pick under unrestricted free agent pick as fifth round pick would be a better pick (which Geelong will never use anyway other than promote rookies).

 

[ODNBlue]

He is a delisted free agent only after first list lodgement (October 31). He is delisted but technically a Geelong player until that date when he is officially not on the Geelong list (but he still is during the trade period). He is worthless as compensation pick under unrestricted free agent pick as fifth round pick would be a better pick (which Geelong will never use anyway other than promote rookies).

Surely if Carlton sign him tomorrow, he is a Carlton player. If GWS sign him tomorrow, he is a GWS player. There are no trades. Chappy makes the choice. I'm sure you're not saying that Carlton could sign him tomorrow and submit papers tomorrow but he would still be a Geelong player until the 31st? Are you?

I mean to say... Is Dale Thomas still a Collingwood player or is he now a Carlton player because paper have been submitted to the AFL and accepted by Collingwood?

Same with Buddy...

Are you really saying that no traded player becomes a member of the club he is traded to until after the trading period has elapsed? Is that the rule?

 

[pinot]

Surely if Carlton sign him tomorrow, he is a Carlton player. If GWS sign him tomorrow, he is a GWS player. There are no trades. Chappy makes the choice. I'm sure you're not saying that Carlton could sign him tomorrow and submit papers tomorrow but he would still be a Geelong player until the 31st? Are you?

I mean to say... Is Dale Thomas still a Collingwood player or is he now a Carlton player because paper have been submitted to the AFL and accepted by Collingwood?

Same with Buddy...

Are you really saying that no traded player becomes a member of the club he is traded to until after the trading period has elapsed? Is that the rule?

Of course we can sign him tomorrow for sixth round pick or whatever which is different to getting him for nothing as a delisted free agent November 1.

 

[mediumsizered]

Jordan Russell was an unrestricted free agent as well that walked out on the club before trade period began...gee wiz.

No one was interested in recruiting Russell as a FA, hence he rolled over into the trade period where Collingwood gave us a 'steak knives' pick for him.

 

[pinot]

No one was interested in recruiting Russell as a FA, hence he rolled over into the trade period where Collingwood gave us a 'steak knives' pick for him.

That's right , that's all he was worth due to compensation pick being worthless so pick infinity was better either way he was going to delisted free agency.

Same scenario where sixth round pick will be superior to compensation pick if in demand wont make it to delisted free agency. 6th, 7th round pick will be superior than comp pick.

 

[FlowersByIrene]

Of course we can sign him tomorrow for sixth round pick or whatever which is different to getting him for nothing as a delisted free agent November 1.

He is an unrestricted free agent until final list lodging when he becomes a delisted free agent

He is out of contract and has played at geelong for 14 years
What do you not understand?

We table him a cash offer, he accpets, he's a blue

He gets no offers he gets delisted, we could still pick him up then as a delisted FA

We could give them pick 70 if for some reason we thought he might affect our compensation for lost player (I.e Monfries for port) but we already have Thomas killing all hope of Betts compo

Does that make sense?

 

[mediumsizered]

Lucas and Bootsma on trade table two flakey players first round selections and I guess the current incumbants in the recruiting department will get sacked. Can only hope.

So you want Luke Williams, Michael Jordan & Shane Rogers sacked, although not one of them were responsible for the recruitment of Lucas & Bootsma, who BTW, were not put on the trade table but rather, as stated by Andrew McKay today, had been enquired about by other clubs.

You should actually listen to what those actually involved in this process are saying, not rely on the Hun's uneducated guesses as to who is on the trade table & who isn't, given they have already got a number of guesses wrong in the first 3 days of this trade period. I know this doesn't suit your agenda, but it's not a bad idea.

 

[pinot]

He is an unrestricted free agent until final list lodging when he becomes a delisted free agent

He is out of contract and has played at geelong for 14 years
What do you not understand?

We table him a cash offer, he accpets, he's a blue

He gets no offers he gets delisted, we could still pick him up then as a delisted FA

We could give them pick 70 if for some reason we thought he might affect our compensation for lost player (I.e Monfries for port) but we already have Thomas killing all hope of Betts compo

Does that make sense?

If two clubs offer a contract GWS and Carlton he becomes a Blue does he even though GWS offer more? Interesting. ANyway... you are right and what I have been saying all along offering late pick will be superior to compensation pick and no need to go into November 1 delisted free agency bidding. Sixth or Seventh round pick has effectively the same value.. but if a club offers fourth round pick to Geelong (and they can) and cash to Chappy kiss him goodbye we are not getting him. That is all.

 

[FlowersByIrene]

If two clubs offer a contract GWS and Carlton he becomes a Blue does he even though GWS offer more? Interesting. ANyway... you are right and what I have been saying all along offering late pick will be superior to compensation pick and no need to go into November 1 delisted free agency bidding. Sixth or Seventh round pick has effectively the same value.. but if a club offers fourth round pick to Geelong (and they can) and cash to Chappy kiss him goodbye we are not getting him. That is all.

He does yes, free agency is intended to allow the player to go to the club of their choice.

They are already out of contract
Free agency just by-passes the "I'll just enter the national draft" threat that uncontracted players used to have if a club wouldn't get a trade done for them, and the AFL gives them compensation if it deems they are worthy enough

Geelong have no say on Chapman's future any more apart from to offer him a contract themselves, Chappy's future is in the hands of himself, his manager and whatever club offers him a contract that he wants to take

 

[GoBlues!]

If two clubs offer a contract GWS and Carlton he becomes a Blue does he even though GWS offer more? Interesting. ANyway... you are right and what I have been saying all along offering late pick will be superior to compensation pick and no need to go into November 1 delisted free agency bidding. Sixth or Seventh round pick has effectively the same value.. but if a club offers fourth round pick to Geelong (and they can) and cash to Chappy kiss him goodbye we are not getting him. That is all.

As an unrestricted FA, Chapman is free to pick any club he wants to go to for whatever he negotiates. It's the benefit a player gets for giving 10+ years service to a club.

 

[pinot]

So you want Luke Williams, Michael Jordan & Shane Rogers sacked, although not one of them were responsible for the recruitment of Lucas & Bootsma, who BTW, were not put on the trade table but rather, as stated by Andrew McKay today, had been enquired about by other clubs.

You should actually listen to what those actually involved in this process are saying, not rely on the Hun's uneducated guesses as to who is on the trade table & who isn't, given they have already got a number of guesses wrong in the first 3 days of this trade period. I know this doesn't suit your agenda, but it's not a bad idea.

Jordan just manages the scouting network I think...Williams too early to call but I am optimistic...but Rogers and Hughes need to pay monetary interest to the club for the rest of their lives for the damage they have caused

Grigg, Hammer, Russell, unlikely Lucas will be at the club in 2014 not sure on Bootsma but might want to go home, doesn't seem to be fitting in after two years and is giving chances to play instead of demanding it.

I am not sure about you but five top 20 picks not being starters or at least depth players at the club in 2014 with a junior or two coming through (Graham and Menzel) is simply unacceptable... we have a long way to go hope Graham and Menzel are better things to come. But Hughes and Rogers still need to pay the club not get paid they have caused too much damage.

 

[Silvagnis]

Jordan just manages the scouting network I think...Williams too early to call but I am optimistic...but Rogers and Hughes need to pay monetary interest to the club for the rest of their lives for the damage they have caused

Grigg, Hammer, Russell, unlikely Lucas will be at the club in 2014 not sure on Bootsma but might want to go home, doesn't seem to be fitting in after two years and is giving chances to play instead of demanding it.

I am not sure about you but five top 20 picks not being starters or at least depth players at the club in 2014 with a junior or two coming through (Graham and Menzel) is simply unacceptable... we have a long way to go hope Graham and Menzel are better things to come. But Hughes and Rogers still need to pay the club not get paid they have caused too much damage.

Why do your parents let you use the internet on your own?

 

[Aphrodite]

I am not going to say you are not bright, because that serves me no purpose other than some keyboard warriors here masquerading as heroes. Dude - he is on Geelongs books until October 31.. the only way we get him for absolutely nothing is November 1st not in this trade period.. Chappy is effectively up for grabs from ALL 17 clubs but not for absolutely nothing (this means pick 100 or whatever) in this TRADE period. We can only get him for nothing AFTER list lodgement on October 31. I'm not wishy washy dude I am as consistent and honest as you get. Sorry for having to repeat myself but I feel I have to and no more posts from me on this subject - finis.... Rules are Rules.

REALLY DUDE!!!

 

[BM123]

Anybody here seen Darcy Gardiner closely? Think he is worth using our 1st on if he is available by our pick?

 

[Monkey King]

... but if a club offers fourth round pick to Geelong (and they can) and cash to Chappy kiss him goodbye we are not getting him. That is all.

Chapman will go wherever he wants to go. End of story. Geelong have no input whatsoever. Even cash might play a minor role in the end if he decides to chase a little more glory instead.

 

[FlowersByIrene]

Anybody here seen Darcy Gardiner closely? Think he is worth using our 1st on if he is available by our pick?

I live in Perth so i dont see much of the draft prospects, but from my research (bigfooty), this draft is a midfield draft. There only seems to be about 5 or so names of forwards that will even get drafted, let alone make it. Outside of Boyd, the top prospects have been either injured or uninspiring.
I'd prefer we take a mdifielder with our first selection because of a few reasons.

1. Essendon and Adelaide are out of the first round (Our pick is therefore #13 instead of #15)
2. Boyd & Aish seem to be locked 1 & 2 (if we accept them as gone then our pick is effectively (#11)
3. McDonald is locked in at #8 (Takes our pick to #10 of the "obtainable field")

The way i see it we've made up ground already in the draft, we have a good chance to snag a gem, if we go for a "best available" strategy, there are a big range of midfielders all similarly rated all the way from Billings/Sharenberg end to the Kolodoshinji/Taylor end - there seems to be quite a lot of talent in the top end for midfielders.
I think if we target a tall we will likely miss out on a quality mid.

Also i still think we have a chance to try for a flag in the next few years, we finished 6th this year we are not far from a sniff.
Forwards take 3-5 years to come good, midfielders take 1-3
I think now is the time to get a gun midfielder.