2013 Team

[Grimreepah]

Any of the the draftees a chance for round 1?

 

[JasRulz63]

Given the comment from Voss regarding playing first year players, I don't think so but you never know with injuries and such. There's always exceptions to the rule such as Rich, but he was mentioned as being AFL ready body wise when he was drafted. Our best chance would probably be Mayes given he played senior footy in the SANFL, but he still seems a quite skinny. Though I didn't expect Yeo to play much last year, but he still managed 8 games so you never know. Mayes also plays a role on the HFF where we could use some class, and it helps that he has a decent tank already.

Close is probably the closest to AFL ready body wise, but he also happens to play the toughest position on the ground and also quite raw from reports. Close and Michael could make for a very physically imposing forward line in the future.

 

[Grimreepah]

With regards to Voss' comments on first year players, I have seen a few posts suggesting that he is reluctant to play them, but I don't think that is the case. Rather there isn't any pressure on them to get a game, and if they do it is a bonus. Voss' comment seemed to be at least in part directed towards the fans who might consider a player to be a disappointment if he has yet to debut, and to wait at least until year two to start judging them. If a first year player deserves an opportunity, Voss seems to be willing to give 'em a go.

 

[Grimreepah]

In terms of foot skills our best players are imo Adcock, Bartlett?, Brown, Docherty, Karnezis, McGrath, Polec, Rich and now Mayes. Maybe I'm over rating the younger players to an extent, but it's a bit unusual that most of our better skilled players are not currently in the starting 22.

 

[Simba Moyo]

In terms of foot skills our best players are imo Adcock, Bartlett?, Brown, Docherty, Karnezis, McGrath, Polec, Rich and now Mayes. Maybe I'm over rating the younger players to an extent, but it's a bit unusual that most of our better skilled players are not currently in the starting 22.

Looking great for the future though. Docherty should get some games in this season and Polec *fingers crossed* will have a breakout season with the help of a full preseason. Would love to see Bartlett being able to have a redhot go as Mayes getting a few games, especially vs Port and Melbourne.

 

[PattyKwasagun]

In terms of foot skills our best players are imo Adcock, Bartlett?, Brown, Docherty, Karnezis, McGrath, Polec, Rich and now Mayes. Maybe I'm over rating the younger players to an extent, but it's a bit unusual that most of our better skilled players are not currently in the starting 22.

I would almost put Golby in that group too. His decision making isn't always spot on when he kicks which can lead to turnovers, but his execution of the kicking action is close to perfect. I also think Hanley probably deserves to be in that group.

 

[Grimreepah]

Assuming Lisle gets the gig in the seniors, the reserves may look something like:

B: Harwood, Clarke, Wrigley
HB: McKeever, Staker, Yeo
C: Newell, Karnezis, Polec
HF: Wearden, Michael, Cornelius
F: Banfield, Martin, O'Brien
R: Longer, Polkinghorne, Crisp
I: Bartlett,
S

Not sure if that offers any guide as to which type of players we might draft.

Puttinng the draftees in...

B: Harwood, Clarke, Wrigley
HB: McKeever, Staker, Yeo
C: Paparone, Karnezis, Polec
HF: Mayes, Michael, Cornelius
F: Banfield, Martin, O'Brien
R: Longer, Polkinghorne, Crisp
I: Bartlett, Wearden, Close
S: Newell

We do have a number of tall options now (keeping in mind that Karnezis is in the midfield), even if it remains to be seen how good they are. I'm really keen to see how Sam Michael goes with an extended run as a key forward, so hope he gets first dibs there.

 

[PattyKwasagun]

We do have a number of tall options now (keeping in mind that Karnezis is in the midfield), even if it remains to be seen how good they are. I'm really keen to see how Sam Michael goes with an extended run as a key forward, so hope he gets first dibs there.

I think Michael's development is potentially the most interesting of anyone on our list next season. If he continues building on his end to the season, I reckon he'll play senior footy in 2013.

Our reserves will probably struggle more next season without Buchanan, Stiller, Sheldon and Hawksley, but due to the developing talent in there will be great to watch.

 

[dlanod]

In terms of foot skills our best players are imo Adcock, Bartlett?, Brown, Docherty, Karnezis, McGrath, Polec, Rich and now Mayes. Maybe I'm over rating the younger players to an extent, but it's a bit unusual that most of our better skilled players are not currently in the starting 22.

It's only unusual until you consider the old chestnut of how bad our drafting was pre-2008.

 

[Quigley]

In terms of foot skills our best players are imo Adcock, Bartlett?, Brown, Docherty, Karnezis, McGrath, Polec, Rich and now Mayes. Maybe I'm over rating the younger players to an extent, but it's a bit unusual that most of our better skilled players are not currently in the starting 22.

The guy I think you are overrating is Adcock. I would drop him from that group. Karnezis maybe as well. Hanley is the one I would definately have in there although he still has games where he has a few clangers.

On the next line down with a bullet I would have Beams and Golby. Both are a little inconsistent but show moments of very good skill.

Most improved kick last year - Merrett by an absolute mile. Playing up forward seemed to do wonders for his kicking when he was moved back late in the year.

 

[POBT]

I think there is a lot of emphasis on penetration and "hurt" when judging the best kicks. But I reckon reliability and safety can be just as important. Adcock has pretty ordinary hurt factor on his disposals - but he makes very few mistakes too. I think he is on the conservative side when guys like Rich and Hanley are on the aggressive/attacking side.

Brown has possibly the best field kick I've seen from a key forward.

 

[Haso]

ACorn has his weaknesses, but he has shown when he gets a chance that his field kicking is pretty damn good. I remember one hard and flat pass from him that threaded the needle to reach Richy in the 50.

 

[Dylan12]

I think there is a lot of emphasis on penetration and "hurt" when judging the best kicks. But I reckon reliability and safety can be just as important. Adcock has pretty ordinary hurt factor on his disposals - but he makes very few mistakes too. I think he is on the conservative side when guys like Rich and Hanley are on the aggressive/attacking side.

I am somewhat conflicted with regards to Adcock. I agree with your general comments regarding his kicking, that is that he lacks hurt factor and is reliable, however, I think there were numreous instances where he really let himself and the team down with his kicking. The most glaring was late in the game against the Crows when he kicked in board and missed the target when the ball should have been kicked down the line.

I rate Adcock, probably not as highly as some here, and consider him a consistent and safe player for the most part, but I too would certainly not rate him in our top echelon of kickers. I too am with Quigley regarding Hanley. Sure he makes the clanger, but for the most part, his kicking is pretty good. The other guy I would consider up there and what you would consider somewhat underrated is Maguire, especially his accuracy and speed with the long kick.

 

[POBT]

I don't actually rate Adcock as one of our best kicks. He is way too cautious, too often. Therefore, what would amount to an "effective" kick on the stats might actually be counter-productive because he has ignored slightly riskier options which would have opened up play. Adcock's first instinct appears to be to go sideways, which is often detrimental to attacking play. I see the same in Rocky sometimes. Adcock does it significantly more than others though. To be fair, he did it less in 2012 than he had in past years.

I was just making the point that we tend to focus on the guys who tear teams apart with their kicking, without necessarily balancing up whether they make consistently good decisions or whether their error rate is too high.

Tracis Johnstone had the reputation as the "best worst kick" in the comp. He could split tiny gaps with his kicking but he was often error-prone too. I don't think you can be an elite kick if you turn the ball over consistently - Rich is one who misses a few too many targets for my liking, particularly short.

 

[GabbaMan]

harwood merrett staker
golby goose hanley
raines moloney zorko
karnezis brown green
mcgrath lisle longer

Leuey Redden Rich

beams black rockliff patful
emg adcock

 

[captainrich]

i think as the season goes on and players develop and improve our best 22 could become

patfull merrett adcock
docherty maguire golby

wing- hanley, zorko
ruck- leunberger
middle- Rich, Rockliff Moloney Raines

Polec Brown Black
Mcgrath Martin/Lisle Green

Interchange: Beams, Lester, Redden, Sub: Crisp/Banfield/Yeo

still dont know who out of martin or lisle the coaches would prefer, and whether martin is up to the standard once he arrived at the club or was it another lisle situation where upon arrival at the club the coaching staff realised how out of touch he is. The subs basically fast pressure players, also i think harwood might hopefully start developing into a clearance player more, 99.9% chance a team like this will never be named for us haha

 

[pulpdriver]

i think as the season goes on and players develop and improve our best 22 could become

patfull merrett adcock
docherty maguire golby

wing- hanley, zorko
ruck- leunberger
middle- Rich, Rockliff Moloney Raines

Polec Brown Black
Mcgrath Martin/Lisle Green

Interchange: Beams, Lester, Harwood, Sub: Crisp/Banfield/Yeo

still dont know who out of martin or lisle the coaches would prefer, and whether martin is up to the standard once he arrived at the club or was it another lisle situation where upon arrival at the club the coaching staff realised how out of touch he is. The subs basically fast pressure players, also i think harwood might hopefully start developing into a clearance player more, 99.9% chance a team like this will never be named for us haha

I'm hoping this isn't a premonition of Redden being injured.

 

[captainrich]

I'm hoping this isn't a premonition of Redden being injured.

ahh ****k was supposed to put him on the bench instead of harwood, thanks

 

[Bert Man]

I really hope we use Ace as a third tall and have Brown and one of Lisle/Martin being our main talls. Obviously Ace needs to build his endurance big time. I can see a lot of potential in Ace. I believe he is a player capable of kicking 40+ goals in a season. I really hope he makes the third tall spot his own in 2013. The ball is in his court and it's up to him to succeed.

 

[captainrich]

I really hope we use Ace as a third tall and have Brown and one of Lisle/Martin being our main talls. Obviously Ace needs to build his endurance big time. I can see a lot of potential in Ace. I believe he is a player capable of kicking 40+ goals in a season. I really hope he makes the third tall spot his own in 2013. The ball is in his court and it's up to him to succeed.

Voss has stated in an interview that Ace will be a third tall, infact in his interview he pretty much said "he needs to build his endurance", "ball is in his court" . Its been publicized in our forum a bit already

 

[morsie]

Interesting that Polec is not appearing regularly in these teams but seems firmly anchored in the 2s.Seems to be starting to be regarded as a mucked up draft choice.

 

[mish33]

Interesting that Polec is not appearing regularly in these teams but seems firmly anchored in the 2s.Seems to be starting to be regarded as a mucked up draft choice.

Still recovering from pretty bad groin injury hence probably won't be ready for the start of 2013. Think of simliar players like Cotchin and Cooney - took a number of years to get going due to injury and limited pre-seasons.

IIRC Polec had no injuries prior to the draft, so it's just bad luck on his part ( I wouldn't say he's been poorly managed). I think once he moves past these injuries, he's going to be a gun.

 

[GoTheLions]

Most improved kick last year - Merrett by an absolute mile. Playing up forward seemed to do wonders for his kicking when he was moved back late in the year.

I too thought he was more inclined to use the kick when switched back after his stint up forward, and a few times I remember him hitting up players quite well and regularly where previously it seemed more occasional.

 

[GoTheLions]

Ok, here goes:

B: Patfull, Merrett, Adcock
HB: Harwood, Maguire, Golby
C: Hanley, Rich, Polec
R: Leunberger, Redden, Moloney
HF: Zorko, Brown, Rockliff
F: Green, Martin, McGrath

Int: Black, Beams, Raines
Sub: Bewick

Emergencies: Yeo, Staker, Lester, Docherty

In with a chance early in the season, which just goes to show our improved depth:
Karnezis, Banfield, McKeever, Cornelius, Lisle, Mayes, Crisp

Oh just realised I forgot Polks too

 

[Karnezis_13]

Ok, here goes:

B: Patfull, Merrett, Adcock
HB: Harwood, Maguire, Golby
C: Hanley, Rich, Polec
R: Leunberger, Redden, Moloney
HF: Zorko, Brown, Rockliff
F: Green, Martin, McGrath

Int: Black, Beams, Raines
Sub: Bewick

Emergencies: Yeo, Staker, Lester, Docherty

In with a chance early in the season, which just goes to show our improved depth:
Karnezis, Banfield, McKeever, Cornelius, Lisle, Mayes, Crisp

Oh just realised I forgot Polks too

As harsh as it seems I would not have Polkinghorne in the 22, so I wouldn't say forgot
I like that team actually, I like it a lot. Only I would probably change Harwood out, Adcock to HBF, McGrath to BP, Staker to FP? and maybe Bewick for Karnezis ~ but I am biased there.