List Mgmt. 2014 Draft

[strobe00]

Darren Burgess said that anyone who runs under 12 on the beep test gets crossed off the list.

So he could be available very, very late.

I smell the weags fingerprints on that result. ;-)

 

[Taylor]

I smell the weags fingerprints on that result. ;-)

I agree. We're picking you up, don't get yourself injured.

 

[Agenfrida]

Daniel Rich was a dud at the beep test, I don't think it means a whole lot in the context of their careers. I'm sure after their 1st pre-season all draftees would be doing at least a 13/14.



I'd throw Mitch McGovern into calculations for either our 2nd or 3rd.

Did he participate? And if so, what was his score? From what I can see is that he was injured and didn't particpate in too much testing. 11.11 is very ordinary, no matter which way you slice it.

 

[Nickos66]

Did he participate? And if so, what was his score? From what I can see is that he was injured and didn't particpate in too much testing. 11.11 is very ordinary, no matter which way you slice it.

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/rich-talent-or-flawed-ace/story-e6frf9jf-1111118096820

Early beep tests (10.7) suggested a query on endurance, although that was from Rich's time at the AIS in January, 2007.

He has since increased that test to 13.01, which while passable is a fair way from the elite midfield runners.

Not great numbers for a touted top 3 draft pic at the time.

 

[Moist Biscuit]

Wish list for pick 13 in order
Pickett
De Goey
Weller
Lamb
Garlett

 

[Nickos66]

I'm calling it - we'll end up with one of Peter Wright or Tom Lamb with our 1st pic - 13.

Just.. 'cause.

 

[yakka man]

Chris, Smith's 11.1 beep test result, can he run out a game?

Id rather a footballer than an athlete, you could of said the same thing about Walters, C Pearce, if he is mentally prepared to work, and buy in,
end of story.

11.1 is a shocking result though. He would find Pre-Season and the AFL requirements very difficult. I wouldn't touch him with a first or second round draft pick.

 

[Clems Knee]

11.1 is a shocking result though. He would find Pre-Season and the AFL requirements very difficult. I wouldn't touch him with a first or second round draft pick.

How did Smith go in the 3km run?
That might give an idea of whether the shuttle run is representative.

 

[yakka man]

How did Smith go in the 3km run?
That might give an idea of whether the shuttle run is representative.

For the most part they tend to be similar. Players that run high beep tests usually do very well in the time trial. Usually if you run the time trial in under 11 minutes you would run a high 13 beep test or even crack the 14 mark. But I admit that I'm speculating a bit.

I have no idea what time Clem Smith ran in the 3km time trial but my guess it would be well over the 11 minute mark.

 

[Clems Knee]

While we are talking about Clem Smith and his 11.1 beep test result, does anyone have a source for this?
I can only find eastfreo's post...

 

[Silent Alarm]

Short guys who can't run will be left behind by taller guys who can run.

That's the reality of the game. There are enough tall runners playing football that smaller plodders get left.

That's a total false dichotomy. And you're also inferring speed and height are the most important aspects of football. They're helpful. But do you forget Peter Bell? Wasn't he about 5'8? Boomer Harvey? Even though Hase was 6 foot, he was slow and his build resembled Dane Swan more than Pendlebury. He was an absolute champ – why? Because he was a natural footballer. He was beautifully skilled and didn't need any time to decide on his options. He won the ball because he could see the pattern of play unfurl and knew where the drop of the ball was coming from.

So what about if you're short and quick?

Or if you're tall and can't run?

Or if you're 6'4" but can't handball, butcher every kick, and take nine seconds to choose who to kick it to?

Of course a tall body is going to be more versatile and they'll have a greater presence on the ball, they'll be harder to bring down, and they'll be better tacklers, but Lachie Neale is about 5'10 and is streets ahead of the last few blokes delisted by the Dockers – who were all 6-foot-plus.

This is just narrow minded from someone who never even played Aussie Rules.

 

[Clems Knee]

That's a total false dichotomy. And you're also inferring speed and height are the most important aspects of football. They're helpful. But do you forget Peter Bell? Wasn't he about 5'8? Boomer Harvey? Even though Hase was 6 foot, he was slow and his build resembled Dane Swan more than Pendlebury. He was an absolute champ – why? Because he was a natural footballer. He was beautifully skilled and didn't need any time to decide on his options. He won the ball because he could see the pattern of play unfurl and knew where the drop of the ball was coming from.

So what about if you're short and quick?

Or if you're tall and can't run?

Or if you're 6'4" but can't handball, butcher every kick, and take nine seconds to choose who to kick it to?

Of course a tall body is going to be more versatile and they'll have a greater presence on the ball, they'll be harder to bring down, and they'll be better tacklers, but Lachie Neale is about 5'10 and is streets ahead of the last few blokes delisted by the Dockers – who were all 6-foot-plus.

This is just narrow minded from someone who never even played Aussie Rules.

Excellent rant. It's because you are short, isn't it?

 

[bloke_]

Did anyone see Lambs combine numbers?

15.5 beep test and 9:45 3km time trial. Great numbers for a guy standing at 193cm. Very keen

 

[apuchar]

#18 Fremantle - Tom Lamb (VIC - Fwd/Mid)
Height: 192cm, Weight: 83kg, DOB: 19/10/1996
Recruited from: Dandenong Stingrays
Style: Jared Brennan
Player comparison:
Range: 5-20
Profile: Lamb is a tall, athletic half forward/wingman with some real talent to him. For his height he’s unusually talented when the ball hits the ground with his pickups incredibly clean. From a second and third effort standpoint he’s also impressive. He’s excellent at ground level for his height and very clean with his pickups from the deck at his size and can even be an effective crumber at times at the front of the pack. He’s also a fair marking threat in the air and on the lead with his leap and ability and also has elite pace and elite ability to create separation with his pace real factors in his game. He’s not afraid to play on when the opportunity is there. He’s also someone who can provide some strong scoreboard pressure. With the value clubs are increasingly putting on versatility and ability to play a number of different types of roles Lamb will be in high demand as someone who has no trouble as a deep forward, flanker or up the field. He just needs to improve his consistency by foot to targets and become more one grab with his marks to better round out his game.

 

[apuchar]

6: Fremantle – Tom Lamb

Position: Forward/midfielder

Height: 192 cm, Weight: 83 kg, DOB: 19/10/1996

Club: Dandenong Stingrays

Projected draft range: 6-20

Plays Like: Brendon Goddard

It was nowhere near the National Championships Tom Lamb was hoping for, in fact if anything the carnival showed us what Lamb is lacking, rather than what he brings to the table. Lamb was often found out defensively and struggled to involve himself over four quarters in each game he played. However, despite his inconsistencies he still offers plenty. At ground level, Lamb is solid; he tracks the ball well for a player of his size and uses the ball well by hand. His marking game, particularly contested, mirrors that of what key forwards are offering up this year. He reads the ball well in flight, and although he can sometimes double-grab a mark rather than take it cleanly, he still marks well overhead and out in front and isn’t one to submit to a chest mark very often. Although Lamb’s kicking efficiency around the ground might be a weakness at this stage, he understands the momentum of the game, and often plays on when he can, backing his speed and athleticism and thumping kick to propel his team into attack. The big tick for Lamb is his versatility. He can play up on the flanks, on a wing or push deep forward. In the final game of the National Championships he was stationed across half-back where he had his best game of the carnival, finishing with 14 disposals at 86% disposal efficiency, including six marks.

 

[bloke_]

Sounds a bit like Fyfe, perhaps without the elite marking but with more pace and endurance.

 

[apuchar]

lamb

By all rights, Lamb has the potential to be more than 10 spots higher than this, and with a good finals series he might end up there. He has plenty of attributes which would put him in top-five contention – he can run all day and run quickly, he's tall enough to play in a key position, agile enough to be used as a midfielder and with the ability to turn a game. It probably doesn't all come together as often as it should, but he has been good recently across half-back, and every time he gets the ball you expect him to use it well.

 

[apuchar]

Sounds a bit like Fyfe, perhaps without the elite marking but with more pace and endurance.

Quite a few had us taking him earlier in the year (Phantom drafts) Twomey had him going at 14

 

[Taylor]

That's a total false dichotomy. And you're also inferring speed and height are the most important aspects of football. They're helpful. But do you forget Peter Bell? Wasn't he about 5'8? Boomer Harvey? Even though Hase was 6 foot, he was slow and his build resembled Dane Swan more than Pendlebury. He was an absolute champ – why? Because he was a natural footballer. He was beautifully skilled and didn't need any time to decide on his options. He won the ball because he could see the pattern of play unfurl and knew where the drop of the ball was coming from.

So what about if you're short and quick?

Or if you're tall and can't run?

Or if you're 6'4" but can't handball, butcher every kick, and take nine seconds to choose who to kick it to?

Of course a tall body is going to be more versatile and they'll have a greater presence on the ball, they'll be harder to bring down, and they'll be better tacklers, but Lachie Neale is about 5'10 and is streets ahead of the last few blokes delisted by the Dockers – who were all 6-foot-plus.

This is just narrow minded from someone who never even played Aussie Rules.

You mention Boomer Harvey as an argument why speed isn't important?

The AFL is moving away from shorter guys. Lachie Neale is actually the evidence of this, his pre draft numbers and record in matches was fantastic, he should have gone top ten but he was too short and that meant he slipped.

Tall and fast is the way of the future. I feel for the shorter, slow guys and the 190-193cm tall key position players being pushed into inside midfield roles but that's the way of all sports. Taller, faster. The tagger role is pushing it along too, it doesn't take a footballer to chase a footballer so the super athlete taggers are requiring the footballers to also be super athletes.

I'm 5'8".. not exactly gigantor.

 

[bloke_]

Quite a few had us taking him earlier in the year (Phantom drafts) Twomey had him going at 14

I think behind Pickett he's the one I'm hoping we take. We can still a dress KPD issues with our second pick with Kietal hopefully. And if we upgrade our pick we could even get Goddard

 

[apuchar]

I think behind Pickett he's the one I'm hoping we take. We can still a dress KPD issues with our second pick with Kietal hopefully. And if we upgrade our pick we could even get Goddard

I noticed Bondy said we will be looking for versatility therefore 190-192cm. He fits.

8: Tom Lamb (193cm, Dandenong Stingrays): A player capable of extreme highs as either a goalkicking forward or high possession midfielder.

 

[yakka man]

Would love it if Garlett was available at our second pick. Won't be though.

 

[freoextra]

While we are talking about Clem Smith and his 11.1 beep test result, does anyone have a source for this?
I can only find eastfreo's post...

11.1 for Clem Smith was the best result possible when you are madly running from side to side trying to take out your competitors.

How many did he take out is the stat that is missing

Oh well, maybe he is now a possible late selection.

 

[Agenfrida]

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/rich-talent-or-flawed-ace/story-e6frf9jf-1111118096820



Not great numbers for a touted top 3 draft pic at the time.

13+ Isn't great, but isn't bad either. He obviously worked on it to improve it from his first result. When I watched a clip on youtube talking about his results it was reported he had knee soreness and wasn't participating in much of the testing.

 

[Clems Knee]

eastfreo75 do you have the source for the 11.1 beep test Clem Smith claim?