Hot Topic 2016 DRAFT

[zeeCFC]

Twomey and Mick Ablett did a mock draft. They didn't use industry whispers as a guide but just their rankings and club needs.

Top 30 was:

McCluggage
McGrath
Bowes (bid matched)
Ainsworth
Setterfield (bid matched)
Petrevski Seton (Carlton)
Brodie
Logue
Taranto
Simpkin
English
Perryman (bid matched)
Scrimshaw
Berry
Hayward
Battle
Florent
Witherden
Marshall
Gallucci
Powell Pepper
Venables
B Cox
Bolton
C Cox
Kerr (Carlton)
Cumming (bid matched)
Ridley
Mutch (NOT matched)
Walker

 

[HARKER]

Kerr & Carlton just seem to attract one another.

Would much sooner Mutch than Kerr, if the situation comes about.
Surprised many just don't seem to rate Clarke.

 

[Dochearty]

Twomey and Mick Ablett did a mock draft. They didn't use industry whispers as a guide but just their rankings and club needs.

Top 30 was:

McCluggage
McGrath
Bowes (bid matched)
Ainsworth
Setterfield (bid matched)
Petrevski Seton (Carlton)
Brodie
Logue
Taranto
Simpkin
English
Perryman (bid matched)
Scrimshaw
Berry
Hayward
Battle
Florent
Witherden
Marshall
Gallucci
Powell Pepper
Venables
B Cox
Bolton
C Cox
Kerr (Carlton)
Cumming (bid matched)
Ridley
Mutch (NOT matched)
Walker

I just listened to it and I am pretty sure they had us taking SPS @5, Bolton@25... Not Kerr.

The interesting thing he said of Carlton's selections is they are probably the best 2 players capable of winning games off their own boot, matchwinners with sublime skills....which we desperately need! With Jarrod Pickett also being a damaging matchwinner we now have flair and pace... The new 3 Amigos!

 

[HARKER]

I just listened to it and I am pretty sure they had us taking SPS @5, Bolton@25... Not Kerr.

The interesting thing he said of Carlton's selections is they are probably the best 2 players capable of winning games off their own boot, matchwinners with sublime skills....which we desperately need! With Jarrod Pickett also being a damaging matchwinner we now have flair and pace... The new 3 Amigos!

Bolton went to the Saints.

Kerr to Carlton - The romantic link.

 

[Blue__Balls]

Bolton doesn't do a lot for me anyway - seems rushed and wasteful by foot, with too many up-and-under bombs rather than directed passes. Exactly the kind of play we're wanting to move away from.

 

[smashbox gill]

I'm not rly that keen on Kerr, besides the historical background I'm not that fussed.

The new Carlton picks the best players at each pick. Would much rather Mutch, Sproule, Mccredie, SPP at 25

 

[Arr0w]

Bolton doesn't do a lot for me anyway - seems rushed and wasteful by foot, with too many up-and-under bombs rather than directed passes. Exactly the kind of play we're wanting to move away from.

Perhaps we all spend too much time analysing what players need to improve, rather than embracing what the do very well. He is one of the youngest kids in this draft and unlike many on our list, has serious X-Factor.

 

[FlowersByIrene]

By all accounts we could well get a kid at 25 who would have been top dozen in any other year.

Pick 25 and even 48 are arguably more interesting than pick 5.

After hearing SOS talk of 'talent' and knowing Bolts would be a fan of good ball use I can see why we are linked to SPS and TT. Both are excellent users of it.

I wouldnt say TT has excellent disposal

 

[Jimmae]

Kerr (Carlton)

And they were going so well, too

 

[zeeCFC]

I just listened to it and I am pretty sure they had us taking SPS @5, Bolton@25... Not Kerr.

The interesting thing he said of Carlton's selections is they are probably the best 2 players capable of winning games off their own boot, matchwinners with sublime skills....which we desperately need! With Jarrod Pickett also being a damaging matchwinner we now have flair and pace... The new 3 Amigos!

Draft order changes with academy bids shifting the order.

They gave us SPS and Kerr

 

[Dochearty]

Gee..... I hope it goes the way I maybe wanted to hear it. Kerr Bolton

 

[Blue__Balls]

Perhaps we all spend too much time analysing what players need to improve, rather than embracing what the do very well. He is one of the youngest kids in this draft and unlike many on our list, has serious X-Factor.

Don't get me wrong, he's got some talent.

Plenty of pace, plenty of confidence. I'm sure we could find a use for him.

But with two picks inside 25 (and the next in the 50's) we can't afford to make any mistakes, and I see a lot of risk in Bolton. Watched a few videos of him, and don't recall seeing a single tackle - not saying he's afraid of contact, he goes at the ball hard enough, but it'd be good to see evidence that he applies pressure as well. Lots of long, high kicks, often to a contest - maybe that's gameplan related, but for a player with his pace it'd be nice to see him finding space and kicking to more teammates' advantage.

I don't doubt he can make it, I'm just not sold on him for Carlton given where we're at. Give me smart, hard and reliable at pick 25, rather than fast, flashy potential.

 

[Stefchook]

It's interesting what Sam Landsberger is suggesting. I don't know if he has any real knowledge, or is just taking a guess. According to him, we're fans of Brodie, but are unlikely to go for him, because we've already got Cripps.

If true, that would suggest we perhaps are looking for run and skill in any midfielders we might pick up this year. Rather than some kind of 'balance'. Which might rule out some of the clearance players suggested at later picks.

 

[Blue__Balls]

It's interesting what Sam Landsberger is suggesting. I don't know if he has any real knowledge, or is just taking a guess. According to him, we're fans of Brodie, but are unlikely to go for him, because we've already got Cripps.

If true, that would suggest we perhaps are looking for run and skill in any midfielders we might pick up this year. Rather than some kind of 'balance'. Which might rule out some of the clearance players suggested at later picks.

Not necessarily.

We may want to balance the elite clearance beast (Cripps) with an elite outside mid (SPS) or elite goal-kicking mid (Taranto), then draft some support from Cripps with a later pick.

Having 2 elite clearance players is less effective if they're delivering the ball to a weaker complement of outside mids.

 

[Arr0w]

Don't get me wrong, he's got some talent.

Plenty of pace, plenty of confidence. I'm sure we could find a use for him.

But with two picks inside 25 (and the next in the 50's) we can't afford to make any mistakes, and I see a lot of risk in Bolton. Watched a few videos of him, and don't recall seeing a single tackle - not saying he's afraid of contact, he goes at the ball hard enough, but it'd be good to see evidence that he applies pressure as well. Lots of long, high kicks, often to a contest - maybe that's gameplan related, but for a player with his pace it'd be nice to see him finding space and kicking to more teammates' advantage.

I don't doubt he can make it, I'm just not sold on him for Carlton given where we're at. Give me smart, hard and reliable at pick 25, rather than fast, flashy potential.

I understand your concerns, I agree with you on "Give me smart, hard and reliable at pick 25". Bolton is certainly smart and hard, reliable is still debatable, as he certainly needs to stay in the game longer, which is indicative of most indigenous players. The likes of Peter Matera, never had large volumes of possessions, but was a match winner. I see similarities in Bolton.

If you have a copy of the All Stars game, you will see he that he can win his own ball, speed to get separation and the vision to spot up a target. Not saying that we should definitely take him at 25, but I am sure he would be in the mix

 

[La Dispute]

Bolton reminds me of Christian Salem. He's quick and a good ball-user but there are a few queries on his productivity. He should certainly be in the mix at Pick 25 but it'll certainly depend on who we take at 5 and who is still available.

If we take Setterfield, Brodie or Taranto at 5, Bolton becomes is a good fit. If we take McCluggage or SPS, we may prefer to look at an inside mid, which there will be plenty of in that range.

 

[bmaurizio]

I like Brandon Parfitt or Myles Poholke for our 3rd pick, Brandon is a little short but a well balaced skilled tough midfileder, Myles strong inside mid forward.
Plenty of quality in this draft but we must priorities good character,footy IQ , kicking ability, endurance if possibile. Go Baggers

 

[SABlue]

Of course they would be assessing talent all year round. But they would not say, lets not take KP player XYZ in the 2nd round of this draft, because there is a better version in the 2nd round next year.

No they wouldn't. But they probably would say lets not take player KP this year because there are players UVWXYZ in the 1st round next year that are far better than KP this year that we will have a shot at getting.

 

[Jimmae]

Bolton reminds me of Christian Salem. He's quick and a good ball-user but there are a few queries on his productivity. He should certainly be in the mix at Pick 25 but it'll certainly depend on who we take at 5 and who is still available.

If we take Setterfield, Brodie or Taranto at 5, Bolton becomes is a good fit. If we take McCluggage or SPS, we may prefer to look at an inside mid, which there will be plenty of in that range.

Salem never looked that quick IIRC.

 

[BrisbaneCFC]

Twomey and Mick Ablett did a mock draft. They didn't use industry whispers as a guide but just their rankings and club needs.

Top 30 was:

McCluggage
McGrath
Bowes (bid matched)
Ainsworth
Setterfield (bid matched)
Petrevski Seton (Carlton)
Brodie
Logue
Taranto
Simpkin
English
Perryman (bid matched)
Scrimshaw
Berry
Hayward
Battle
Florent
Witherden
Marshall
Gallucci
Powell Pepper
Venables
B Cox
Bolton
C Cox
Kerr (Carlton)
Cumming (bid matched)
Ridley
Mutch (NOT matched)
Walker

Just curious, I listened to the podcast which had us bidding on Setterfield. After all the recent talk of GWS losing picks 15 and 37 for the Whitfield saga, and I don't know whether that will happen or not, I'm just posing the question, would GWS even have the points left to match a bid from us for Setterfield? Would anyone like to see us pick him up with our first if they were unable to match? Just curious.

 

[HARKER]

Just curious, I listened to the podcast which had us bidding on Setterfield. After all the recent talk of GWS losing picks 15 and 37 for the Whitfield saga, and I don't know whether that will happen or not, I'm just posing the question, would GWS even have the points left to match a bid from us for Setterfield? Would anyone like to see us pick him up with our first if they were unable to match? Just curious.

They would have points and could dip into next years points, but are they going to do that?

If they rate Perryman, Macreadie, Sproule and co. high, then maybe someone may need to be forfeited for them to attain most of their objectives.............and it won't be McGrath

 

[ParapMarkets]

Just curious, I listened to the podcast which had us bidding on Setterfield. After all the recent talk of GWS losing picks 15 and 37 for the Whitfield saga, and I don't know whether that will happen or not, I'm just posing the question, would GWS even have the points left to match a bid from us for Setterfield? Would anyone like to see us pick him up with our first if they were unable to match? Just curious.

Yes there has been a lot of talk on here about that scenario, they will have the points and can also go in to deficit next year. It will still be a big call for them though as they won't have many points left if they match our bid, and they have a lot of spots on their list to fill.

Edit.
And yes, I hope we can get him if possible.

 

[BrisbaneCFC]

They would have points and could dip into next years points, but are they going to do that?

If they rate Perryman, Macreadie, Sproule and co. high, then maybe someone may need to be forfeited for them to attain most of their objectives.............and it won't be McGrath

Yeah mate, I agree it wont be McGrath. On the assumption they do end up losing those picks that have been spoken about, and with a few more highly rated academy players to consider as well, GWS matching a bid by us at pick five would eat up quite a few of their later draft picks. I would guess should they match a bid they would be having to give up picks, 39, 45, 52, 55, maybe even picks 57 and 58 as well. Leaves GWS with not much at all should other clubs decide to make bids for their other academy players too.

 

[Arr0w]

No they wouldn't. But they probably would say lets not take player KP this year because there are players UVWXYZ in the 1st round next year that are far better than KP this year that we will have a shot at getting.

Imagine SOS not taking McKay, because a Strnadic or Blake was rated highly, from last year.

For me, that's not a risk a good recruiter would take, but I enjoy the varying opinions here

 

[HARKER]

Yeah mate, I agree it wont be McGrath. On the assumption they do end up losing those picks that have been spoken about, and with a few more highly rated academy players to consider as well, GWS matching a bid by us at pick five would eat up quite a few of their later draft picks. I would guess should they match a bid they would be having to give up picks, 39, 45, 52, 55, maybe even picks 57 and 58 as well. Leaves GWS with not much at all should other clubs decide to make bids for their other academy players too.

I can't be bothered but if someone cares to work out the following hypothetical without their picks #15 & #37

GWS takes McGrath at #2
Carlton bids on Setterfield with #5
Perryman gets bid on @10
Macreadie gets bid on @20
Sproule @ 25
Cumming @30
Mutch @35

How would that work out?