List Mgmt. 2016 Free Agency/Trades/Draft thread Part 2

[NTRabbit]

Again not watching & not understanding the game, player development ......there's plenty to get excited about and if you'd been watching properly, you'd be as excited

Amazing that Milera, Keath, Menzel doesn't excite you? .......you're not a Wigg fan ?

If they were A grade talents who could impact the game in the same way that acquiring a Rockliff, Bontempelli, Parker, Kelly, Shiel, etc could do next year, then they would have already been impacting the AFL side this year. They haven't.

Menzel is a HFF with ongoing fitness concerns, Keath is a rookie CHB who just finished playing cricket, Milera is a HFF who couldn't impose himself on the game when given the opportunity, none of these have the remotest relevance to our lack of midfield talent. As for Wigg, maybe he's an AFL mid, maybe he isn't, but he never managed to dislodge any underperforming players from the AFL side this year, if he was that kind of talent he'd have played 15 games.

It's a bit silly to say that about McGovern, because if he hadn't have been good enough to earn and keep a place then it would be a fair assessment of him, but he was, so it's completely moot.

It's not about excited, it's about overvaluing rookies and fringe players because of the colour they wear.

 

[Mismatched]

Don't get me wrong, I'd like Rocky in the side, really rate him but the last two matches from the Bullies and the game from GWS shows the value of a really quick team. The amount of smothers that the Bullies got tonight turned that match, I get the idea we are missing a chance by backing Thommo in this finals series. We might beat Sydney, might beat Geelong but we are going to be over run by the other two teams

Quality inside mids with pace are rare as hens teeth and you need picks in the top 10 to get them. Sloane and B. Crouch have good pace, removing Thommo and Lyons for Rockliff and a Hampton/Milera with Sloane obviously spending a far greater amount of time inside than he currently does. This would speed our midfield up significantly compared to what it is currently.

To have a midfield that would compete personel wise with the size, speed and maintain the contested ability of the Bulldogs/Giants midfield would essentially require us to sell off all our A-Graders and rebuild with multiple top 10 draft picks.

 

[NTRabbit]

And the reality is you cant get those types of players unless you get multiple top 10 draft picks year after year.
Getting the odd beauty at pick 44 is the hard way to go about it.

We don't need all of those picks though - we already have the forward line and defence part done, we just need to spend a couple to get the midfield up to scratch here and now.

 

[Mego Red]

McGovern was a rookie and fringe player right up until the point he wasn't.

Wigg is, if anything, in a better position now than the Gov was at the end of last year.

 

[NTRabbit]

McGovern was a rookie and fringe player right up until the point he wasn't.

Wigg is, if anything, in a better position now than the Gov was at the end of last year.

Yes, but neither of them are A grade talent. McGovern is mercurial, and has some X factor, but he's no Jake Stringer.

If Wigg was the player who was going to make the difference next year, he'd already be in the side making a difference this year.

 

[Mismatched]

Is it a concern for Crows fans that Menzel hasn't signed a new contract yet. I am not here to frustrate or stir the pot. I am curious. I thought Menzel would have made your best 22 this year as I was impressed with his efforts at Carlton.

Yeah, his Carlton contract was due to expire this year, but he would have signed a new one coming across here, I think3 years is what it was.

 

[Runnin Blue]

Do you need a lift to the Ferrari place?

That car is pure sex.

 

[Paladin]

Yes, but neither of them are A grade talent. McGovern is mercurial, and has some X factor, but he's no Jake Stringer.

If Wigg was the player who was going to make the difference next year, he'd already be in the side making a difference this year.

McGovern can be every bit the player Stringer is and more.

You love to underrate our guys and pump up the opposition. Let's face it you were banking on us missing the 8.

 

[Tex200]

Yes, but neither of them are A grade talent. McGovern is mercurial, and has some X factor, but he's no Jake Stringer.

If Wigg was the player who was going to make the difference next year, he'd already be in the side making a difference this year.

The same Jake Stringer that was playing 2's a few weeks ago? He's had a very ordinary year

 

[Elite Crow]

If they were A grade talents who could impact the game in the same way that acquiring a Rockliff, Bontempelli, Parker, Kelly, Shiel, etc could do next year, then they would have already been impacting the AFL side this year. They haven't.

Menzel is a HFF with ongoing fitness concerns, Keath is a rookie CHB who just finished playing cricket, Milera is a HFF who couldn't impose himself on the game when given the opportunity, none of these have the remotest relevance to our lack of midfield talent. As for Wigg, maybe he's an AFL mid, maybe he isn't, but he never managed to dislodge any underperforming players from the AFL side this year, if he was that kind of talent he'd have played 15 games.

It's a bit silly to say that about McGovern, because if he hadn't have been good enough to earn and keep a place then it would be a fair assessment of him, but he was, so it's completely moot.

It's not about excited, it's about overvaluing rookies and fringe players because of the colour they wear.

Bit harsh on some of those players.

We don't know if Menzel will have on going fitness issues with us, between the concussions he seems to be building a reasonable fitness base and playing some good games.

Milera is a kid, very few players impose themselves in their first year especially playing HFF and I don't think the club see him as just a HFF.

Keath may have come back from cricket but his first year back has been impressive.

If we are having this same discussion next year fair enough, but all 3 look like they could be very good players for us.

Having said that, we need to recruit 2 ready made quality mids to give next year a real shake.

 

[Tex200]

We don't need all of those picks though - we already have the forward line and defence part done, we just need to spend a couple to get the midfield up to scratch here and now.

I think this is widely recognised as being where we are at.

 

[NTRabbit]

The same Jake Stringer that was playing 2's a few weeks ago? He's had a very ordinary year

Form is temporary, class is permanent.

 

[NTRabbit]

If we are having this same discussion next year fair enough, but all 3 look like they could be very good players for us.

We've had this same discussion every year for the last 5 years, and the only thing that has changed is the names of the 0 game 1st-4th year mids in the SANFL, and the ones in the bottom 4 of the AFL side.

We absolutely have to recruit a pair of A grade mids based on the notion that none of them are going to work out, and then consider it a bonus if one or two of them do.

 

[Elite Crow]

We've had this same discussion every year for the last 5 years, and the only thing that has changed is the names of the 0 game 1st-4th year mids in the SANFL, and the ones in the bottom 4 of the AFL side.

We absolutely have to recruit a pair of A grade mids based on the notion that none of them are going to work out, and then consider it a bonus if one or two of them do.

I don't think we've had the depth of quality of players in our list before.

Those 3 are all new to the club and each has a legitimate reason as to why they weren't playing AFL this year. I'm confident all 3 will be players.

But I think the majority agree, we definitely need more quality in the midfield.

 

[marty36]

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Forget the sharenberg obsession - plenty better players than him in this draft , at least 40 and maybe more

don't think he is obsessed at all I would rate him and graham as the best two talents in SA if you are suggesting that not one goes as a first rounder which has never occurred where SA has produced a first rounder with the fact the u18 team finished second last year and it produced 3 last year. Would love to hear your thoughts on who from SA will get picked and when

 

[Jeffcrowe]

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don't think he is obsessed at all I would rate him and graham as the best two talents in SA if you are suggesting that not one goes as a first rounder which has never occurred where SA has produced a first rounder with the fact the u18 team finished second last year and it produced 3 last year. Would love to hear your thoughts on who from SA will get picked and when

Don't think either of those will go 1st round and 50-50 for 2nd round that one goes there

SA lads are very even and in terms of where they get picked it will be fascinating

Hayward - 2nd round
Lebois - 2nd round
Cox- 2nd round
Walker - 3rd round
Graham - 3rd round
Sharenberg - 3rd round
Jarman - 3rd/4th round

Think something like this could be the order but it's very even between top 6

 

[spenze]

Quality inside mids with pace are rare as hens teeth and you need picks in the top 10 to get them. Sloane and B. Crouch have good pace, removing Thommo and Lyons for Rockliff and a Hampton/Milera with Sloane obviously spending a far greater amount of time inside than he currently does. This would speed our midfield up significantly compared to what it is currently.

To have a midfield that would compete personel wise with the size, speed and maintain the contested ability of the Bulldogs/Giants midfield would essentially require us to sell off all our A-Graders and rebuild with multiple top 10 draft picks.

James, you are preaching to the converted, I am just basing my thoughts on the fact I don't think we are getting Rocky. I am quite happy to make a tweak here and there to fit him in the side if we traded for him

 

[Runnin Blue]

Yes, but neither of them are A grade talent. McGovern is mercurial, and has some X factor, but he's no Jake Stringer.

If Wigg was the player who was going to make the difference next year, he'd already be in the side making a difference this year.

Sorry, couldn't help it.

 

[Jeffcrowe]

Yes, but neither of them are A grade talent. McGovern is mercurial, and has some X factor, but he's no Jake Stringer.

If Wigg was the player who was going to make the difference next year, he'd already be in the side making a difference this year.

Nothing to say that McGovern won't be in the same class as stringer , his 1st season and he's not far off stringers season this year

Sky is the limit for Gov - haven't scratched the surface

 

[earlsta]

If McGovern was playing Sicily's role at Hawthorn he'd perform at an even higher level than he has for us this year. McGovern is a talent, you saw what he did when JJ and Tex didn't play, Mitch booted 4 goals.

 

[Mismatched]

James, you are preaching to the converted, I am just basing my thoughts on the fact I don't think we are getting Rocky. I am quite happy to make a tweak here and there to fit him in the side if we traded for him

Ah fair enough

 

[marty36]

Don't think either of those will go 1st round and 50-50 for 2nd round that one goes there

SA lads are very even and in terms of where they get picked it will be fascinating

Hayward - 2nd round
Lebois - 2nd round
Cox- 2nd round
Walker - 3rd round
Graham - 3rd round
Sharenberg - 3rd round
Jarman - 3rd/4th round

Think something like this could be the order but it's very even between top 6

Interesting you don't think Sa will produce a first rounder it's never happened in the history of the draft.

I suppose time will tell on your knowledge of the draft kids

Can't see how Villis isn't listed by you I personally would have him around a late 2nd after the year he had played well for Norwood league although you picked players that couldn't get a birth in the league team and considering sharenberg has been playing league for two years

 

[WaynesWorld19]

Forget the sharenberg obsession - plenty better players than him in this draft , at least 40 and maybe more

Scharenberg may not have the athletic prowess ......but neither do many of the top 10 prospects either .....he is however a pretty smart footballer .....i'd say a bit of a Scott Thompson clone

 

[marty36]

Scharenberg may not have the athletic prowess ......but neither do many of the top 10 prospects either .....he is however a pretty smart footballer .....i'd say a bit of a Scott Thompson clone

Has pretty much been the best junior in SA his whole footy life but people have their opinions if the crows can snare him as a second I would be more than happy but can't see him making the 2nd round funny thing is he played a lot of junior footy with Jarman who was about half as good as him

 

[WaynesWorld19]

If they were A grade talents who could impact the game in the same way that acquiring a Rockliff, Bontempelli, Parker, Kelly, Shiel, etc could do next year, then they would have already been impacting the AFL side this year. They haven't.

Menzel is a HFF with ongoing fitness concerns, Keath is a rookie CHB who just finished playing cricket, Milera is a HFF who couldn't impose himself on the game when given the opportunity, none of these have the remotest relevance to our lack of midfield talent. As for Wigg, maybe he's an AFL mid, maybe he isn't, but he never managed to dislodge any underperforming players from the AFL side this year, if he was that kind of talent he'd have played 15 games.

It's a bit silly to say that about McGovern, because if he hadn't have been good enough to earn and keep a place then it would be a fair assessment of him, but he was, so it's completely moot.

It's not about excited, it's about overvaluing rookies and fringe players because of the colour they wear.

No NT it's about being realistic .......how can you can players that have been on our list just one season .....how one dimensional is that view of a player

Milera not relevant to our midfield ......are you kidding me?

The problem is your comments on McGovern ARE ONLY because he played seniors this year .....ask you the same question last year and you would have certainly have him as a delist, because he hadn't made the grade in his first year as a mature age player

I'll guarantee you one thing ......you'll be trying to backtrack on some of your comments next season .....it'll be something like "we've taken your comments out of context"