List Mgmt. 2016 Free Agency/Trades/Draft thread Part 3

[King Elvis]

A first rounder ?? I like your optimism but I can't see JL being worth that. If we ended up with a pick in the mid 20s we would have done a very good deal.

I'd be curious, if someone had the time - last 5 years picks taken between 15-20.

Forgetting the diamonds in the rough, I doubt many of them would be better players than Lyons - who still have improvement left in him.

 

[rezagun]

what i would do this trade period.

Trade pick 13 to carlton for gibbs
Trade lyons to north for wells comp. pick (20-25) ontrade this pick and mackay to brisbane for rockliff.
Henderson leaves via fa nets us a pick at the end of the 2nd rd. (38-43)
Trade douglas to gold coast for pick 25.
We lose henderson, douglas, mackay, lyons, our first rd pick.
We gain rockliff, gibbs, an early 2nd rd pick and a late 2nd rd pick.
Go to the draft with 25, 38, 50, 68, 86(upgrade rookie)

 

[rezagun]

I'm still hoping its US that are getting Wells; so we can essentially trade Lyons and a pick in the 20s

Wells will be at collingwood next year.

 

[King Elvis]

I've gone right back through the drafts there's barely been a glaring error, most of the super star players were taken before we even had our first pick anyway.

It's probably our trades where we lost picks that could have netted us stars if we kept them that let us down.

ams4crows - have you got draftees taken 15-25 over the last five years?

 

[CROWS84]

I'd be curious, if someone had the time - last 5 years picks taken between 15-20.

Forgetting the diamonds in the rough, I doubt many of them would be better players than Lyons - who still have improvement left in him.

From memory Fyfe was pick 19 or 20. May be a strong outlier over an extended period however

 

[NikkiNoo]

I'm assuming you have sources?

Called Eddie. Look at any of her interviews discussing it, and he has talked about how the Crows offered more money and if Carlton upped theirs a bit closer (not match) he would have stayed at Carlton.

 

[adelaidecrows]

Any new rumours surfacing about any potential trades for the crows?

 

[GameofSloanes]

But it's definitely part of a bigger picture

So we are apparently not playing thommo , Lyons gone and CEY maybe as well

And we've got a thin midfield already

Mmm...

This is what i don't get and makes me think we are getting a couple of fish. Otherwise it just doesn't make sense, especially with lyons who i reckon was our 3rd best mid this year
Go or stay CEY not up to it either imo so i wouldn't be relying on his output

 

[Jarman3]

what i would do this trade period.

Trade pick 13 to carlton for gibbs
Trade lyons to north for wells comp. pick (20-25) ontrade this pick and mackay to brisbane for rockliff.
Henderson leaves via fa nets us a pick at the end of the 2nd rd. (38-43)
Trade douglas to gold coast for pick 25.
We lose henderson, douglas, mackay, lyons, our first rd pick.
We gain rockliff, gibbs, an early 2nd rd pick and a late 2nd rd pick.
Go to the draft with 25, 38, 50, 68, 86(upgrade rookie)

What is the formula for FA compensation? As much as I'd like to get end of 2nd round for Henderson, I doubt we would. He's played 90 games in 7 seasons and only 5 this year. I doubt he's going to be attracting huge money or a long term contract wherever he goes, so I think it's more likely we end up with 3rd round.

 

[arsene wenger1]

If north are getting lyons then i reckon wel get their compensation pick for wells. Should be end of first start of second rd. 20-25.

Wells is the luckiest 32 year old in the history of the game

 

[GameofSloanes]

If Richmond aren't interested .....what does that say ???

It says that we should get him. Anyone richmond passes on is guaranteed gold

 

[Croweater23]

I live in Perth and have a $500k mortgage in a nice house we've had for five years. If you kept my income and all other cost of living exactly the same except for housing, I'd be close to mortgage free. AFL is one of the few industries you can earn the same income as interstate yet have very low cost of living.

Amazed footballers aren't jumping at the chance to set themselves up for life by going to Adelaide.

Is AFC marketing itself well in enough in this regard? In all seriousness, should part of their recruiting strategy be to show wealth accumulation in Adelaide vs other states?

That's exactly what I mean.

I think what you're saying is that Adelaide should hire me in their marketing department, and I think you'll find that's 100% correct.

 

[headache1]

Mark Bickley would be keen.

Speaking of assistants, did anything ever come from those rumblings a while back about Peter Sumich coming across to the Crows? Our season has been over for several weeks now but haven't really seen too many moves happening on the coaching front.

I thought he was being talked about as a replacement for Noble?

 

[Croweater23]

what i would do this trade period.

Trade pick 13 to carlton for gibbs
Trade lyons to north for wells comp. pick (20-25) ontrade this pick and mackay to brisbane for rockliff.
Henderson leaves via fa nets us a pick at the end of the 2nd rd. (38-43)
Trade douglas to gold coast for pick 25.
We lose henderson, douglas, mackay, lyons, our first rd pick.
We gain rockliff, gibbs, an early 2nd rd pick and a late 2nd rd pick.
Go to the draft with 25, 38, 50, 68, 86(upgrade rookie)

Rockliff is worth a lot more than Lyons and Mackay lol

 

[Vader]

Lyons is worth 15-20 - if we can't get that, we shouldn't even consider trading him.

That said, based on our apparent contract offer, we'll accept pick #69.

He's not worth anything like pick 15. 25-30 is the ball park.

If we get offered anything better then we sign immediately, before the drugs wear off and the other club realises what they've done.

 

[Messiah]

Called Eddie. Look at any of her interviews discussing it, and he has talked about how the Crows offered more money and if Carlton upped theirs a bit closer (not match) he would have stayed at Carlton.

And Eddie had his worst season under Malthouse who did not rate him.
All hail Mick Malthouse, super guru!

 

[GameofSloanes]

what i would do this trade period.

Trade pick 13 to carlton for gibbs
Trade lyons to north for wells comp. pick (20-25) ontrade this pick and mackay to brisbane for rockliff.
Henderson leaves via fa nets us a pick at the end of the 2nd rd. (38-43)
Trade douglas to gold coast for pick 25.
We lose henderson, douglas, mackay, lyons, our first rd pick.
We gain rockliff, gibbs, an early 2nd rd pick and a late 2nd rd pick.
Go to the draft with 25, 38, 50, 68, 86(upgrade rookie)

So from our 2016 best 22 midfield douglas mackay lyons thommo are out, rocky gibbs in. Who are the other 2?

 

[Crom]

Who are the other 2?

Milera and Menzel

 

[Tex200]

So from our 2016 best 22 midfield douglas mackay lyons thommo are out, rocky gibbs in. Who are the other 2?

Wang Wang and Fu Ni.

Will do better than that lot combined

 

[Deaneus!]

(year), round, pick, club, name, team, games played since being drafted

2015

1 15 Richmond Daniel Rioli Richmond 18
1 16 Academy GWS Harrison Himmelberg GWS 4
1 17 Adelaide Tom Doedee Adelaide 0
1 18 St Kilda Jade Gresham St Kilda 18
1 19 Hawthorn Ryan Burton Hawthorn 4
1 20 Gold Coast Brayden Fiorini Gold Coast 2
1 21 North Melbourne Ben McKay North Melbourne 0
1 22 Hawthorn Kieran Lovell Hawthorn 2
1 23 Carlton David Cuningham Carlton 3
2 24 Academy Brisbane Ben Keays Brisbane 16
2 25 Father/Son Western Bulldogs Josh Dunkley Western Bulldogs 17

2014

x 15 Compensation Gold Coast Jarrod Garlett Gold Coast 17
1 16 North Melbourne Sam Durdin North Melbourne 0
1 17 Essendon Kyle Langford Essendon 25
1 18 Academy Sydney Isaac Heeney Sydney 38
1 19 Carlton Blaine Boekhorst Carlton 18
1 20 Essendon Jayden Laverde Essendon 18
x 21 Compensation St Kilda Hugh Goddard St Kilda 9
2 22 St Kilda Daniel McKenzie St Kilda 16
2 23 GWS Patrick McKenna GWS 0
2 24 Academy GWS Jack Steele GWS 17
2 25 North Melbourne Daniel Nielson North Melbourne 0

2013

1 15 Sydney Zak Jones Sydney 31
1 16 Geelong Darcy Lang Geelong 34
1 17 Fremantle Michael Apeness Fremantle 7
1 18 St Kilda Luke Dunstan St Kilda 53
1 19 St Kilda Blake Acres St Kilda 26
1 20 Gold Coast Jack Leslie Gold Coast 6
2 21 Port Adelaide Jarman Impey Port Adelaide 55
2 22 Brisbane Darcy Gardiner Brisbane 43
2 23 Adelaide Matt Crouch Adelaide 47
2 24 Hawthorn Billy Hartung Hawthorn 45
2 25 Brisbane Daniel McStay Brisbane 41

2012

1 15 North Melbourne Taylor Garner North Melbourne 16
1 16 Geelong Jackson Thurlow Geelong 29
1 17 Fremantle Josh Simpson 2
1 18 Collingwood Brodie Grundy Collingwood 62
1 19 Collingwood Ben Kennedy Melbourne 40
1 20 Collingwood Timothy Broomhead Collingwood 21
1 21 Western Bulldogs Nathan Hrovat Western Bulldogs 30
1 22 Sydney Dean Towers Sydney 30
1 23 Brisbane Marco Paparone Brisbane 49
2 24 St Kilda Nathan Wright St Kilda 30
2 25 St Kilda Spencer White 2

2011

1 15 Richmond Brandon Ellis Richmond 110
1 16 Fremantle Thomas Sheridan Fremantle 59
1 17 Western Bulldogs Clay Smith Western Bulldogs 47
1 18 North Melbourne Bradley McKenzie North Melbourne 37
1 19 Essendon Elliott Kavanagh 12
1 20 Fremantle Hayden Crozier Fremantle 50
1 21 Father/Son Sydney Tom Mitchell Sydney 65
1 22 Carlton Joshua Bootsma 14
1 23 West Coast Murray Newman 6
1 24 Gold Coast Henry Schade Gold Coast 20
1 25 St Kilda Sebastian Ross St Kilda 59

 

[1970crow]

Will your pretend missus mind?

She's an architect.

 

[Deaneus!]

In all seriousness, should part of their recruiting strategy be to show wealth accumulation in Adelaide vs other states?

Ken Oath it should. I'm drooling imagining the graphs you could show players about how much further the dollar goes here, how low the inflation rate here is... and we have electricity now!

Wang Wang and Fu Ni.

Will do better than that lot combined

Those two would create pandemonium in the midfield!

 

[Tex200]

Ken Oath it should. I'm drooling imagining the graphs you could show players about how much further the dollar goes here, how low the inflation rate here is... and we have electricity now!



Those two would create pandemonium in the midfield!

Panda monium? Like it!!

 

[Red mist]

(year), round, pick, club, name, team, games played since being drafted

2015

1 15 Richmond Daniel Rioli Richmond 18
1 16 Academy GWS Harrison Himmelberg GWS 4
1 17 Adelaide Tom Doedee Adelaide 0
1 18 St Kilda Jade Gresham St Kilda 18
1 19 Hawthorn Ryan Burton Hawthorn 4
1 20 Gold Coast Brayden Fiorini Gold Coast 2
1 21 North Melbourne Ben McKay North Melbourne 0
1 22 Hawthorn Kieran Lovell Hawthorn 2
1 23 Carlton David Cuningham Carlton 3
2 24 Academy Brisbane Ben Keays Brisbane 16
2 25 Father/Son Western Bulldogs Josh Dunkley Western Bulldogs 17

2014

x 15 Compensation Gold Coast Jarrod Garlett Gold Coast 17
1 16 North Melbourne Sam Durdin North Melbourne 0
1 17 Essendon Kyle Langford Essendon 25
1 18 Academy Sydney Isaac Heeney Sydney 38
1 19 Carlton Blaine Boekhorst Carlton 18
1 20 Essendon Jayden Laverde Essendon 18
x 21 Compensation St Kilda Hugh Goddard St Kilda 9
2 22 St Kilda Daniel McKenzie St Kilda 16
2 23 GWS Patrick McKenna GWS 0
2 24 Academy GWS Jack Steele GWS 17
2 25 North Melbourne Daniel Nielson North Melbourne 0

2013

1 15 Sydney Zak Jones Sydney 31
1 16 Geelong Darcy Lang Geelong 34
1 17 Fremantle Michael Apeness Fremantle 7
1 18 St Kilda Luke Dunstan St Kilda 53
1 19 St Kilda Blake Acres St Kilda 26
1 20 Gold Coast Jack Leslie Gold Coast 6
2 21 Port Adelaide Jarman Impey Port Adelaide 55
2 22 Brisbane Darcy Gardiner Brisbane 43
2 23 Adelaide Matt Crouch Adelaide 47
2 24 Hawthorn Billy Hartung Hawthorn 45
2 25 Brisbane Daniel McStay Brisbane 41

2012

1 15 North Melbourne Taylor Garner North Melbourne 16
1 16 Geelong Jackson Thurlow Geelong 29
1 17 Fremantle Josh Simpson 2
1 18 Collingwood Brodie Grundy Collingwood 62
1 19 Collingwood Ben Kennedy Melbourne 40
1 20 Collingwood Timothy Broomhead Collingwood 21
1 21 Western Bulldogs Nathan Hrovat Western Bulldogs 30
1 22 Sydney Dean Towers Sydney 30
1 23 Brisbane Marco Paparone Brisbane 49
2 24 St Kilda Nathan Wright St Kilda 30
2 25 St Kilda Spencer White 2

2011

1 15 Richmond Brandon Ellis Richmond 110
1 16 Fremantle Thomas Sheridan Fremantle 59
1 17 Western Bulldogs Clay Smith Western Bulldogs 47
1 18 North Melbourne Bradley McKenzie North Melbourne 37
1 19 Essendon Elliott Kavanagh 12
1 20 Fremantle Hayden Crozier Fremantle 50
1 21 Father/Son Sydney Tom Mitchell Sydney 65
1 22 Carlton Joshua Bootsma 14
1 23 West Coast Murray Newman 6
1 24 Gold Coast Henry Schade Gold Coast 20
1 25 St Kilda Sebastian Ross St Kilda 59

2014, 2015 North three picks 0 games.

 

[Pdub]

I still expect to see David Swallow request a trade to North Melbourne away from the GCS.

I think it will be the other way round, Andrew will go to Gold Coast.