List Mgmt. 2016 Free Agency/Trades/Draft thread Part 3

[ams4crows]

ams4crows - have you got draftees taken 15-25 over the last five years?

2011
15 Brayden Ellis
16 Tom Sheridan
17 Clay Smith
18 Brad McKenzie
19 Elliot Kavanagh
20 Hayden Crozier

2012
15 Taylor Gardner
16 Jackson Thurlow
17 Josh Simpson
18 Brodie Grundy
19 Ben Kennedy
20 Tim Broomhead

2013
15 Zack Jones
16 Darcy Lang
17 Michael Apeness
18 Luke Dunstan
19 Blake Acres
20 Jack Leslie

2014
15 Jarrod Gareth
16 Sam Durden
17 Kyle Langford
18 Isaac Heeney (Academy)
19 Blaine Boekhorst
20 Jaden Laverne

2015
15 Daniel Rioli
16 Harrison Himmelberg
17 Tom Doedee
18 Jake Gresham
19 Ryan Burton
20 Brayden Fiorini

 

[1970crow]

Wasn't contracted. Wasn't going to be offered another contract.

And that's before you consider the other unique circumstances (i.e. his record of off-field indiscretions, and the Tiprat penalties).

For someone so confident, you certainly get critical information required to form sound opinions very wrong. Vince now apparently not contracted when traded? Sometimes Vader, you really do crack me up.

 

[1970crow]

Who would of thought Vader getting his facts wrong, again. Colour me surprised

Not a particularly relevant fact when discussing whether the club would ever strongly suggest that a contracted player's future might lay elsewhere. Odd that it's even been brought up in the discussion. Vince contracted you say, irrelevant says Vader .

 

[WaynesWorld19]

Richmond are shit, who cares?

Rockliff won't take them from a top 6 to a top 4 side - they shouldn't be interested in him.

also that Richmond rate Prestia over Rockliff .......and given Deledio looks on the move ....still no need?

Richmond hasn't clicked yet that they need more talent ......going for a flag in 2017 ....finishing 9th yet again

 

[GameofSloanes]

(year), round, pick, club, name, team, games played since being drafted

2015

1 15 Richmond Daniel Rioli Richmond 18
1 16 Academy GWS Harrison Himmelberg GWS 4
1 17 Adelaide Tom Doedee Adelaide 0
1 18 St Kilda Jade Gresham St Kilda 18
1 19 Hawthorn Ryan Burton Hawthorn 4
1 20 Gold Coast Brayden Fiorini Gold Coast 2
1 21 North Melbourne Ben McKay North Melbourne 0
1 22 Hawthorn Kieran Lovell Hawthorn 2
1 23 Carlton David Cuningham Carlton 3
2 24 Academy Brisbane Ben Keays Brisbane 16
2 25 Father/Son Western Bulldogs Josh Dunkley Western Bulldogs 17

2014

x 15 Compensation Gold Coast Jarrod Garlett Gold Coast 17
1 16 North Melbourne Sam Durdin North Melbourne 0
1 17 Essendon Kyle Langford Essendon 25
1 18 Academy Sydney Isaac Heeney Sydney 38
1 19 Carlton Blaine Boekhorst Carlton 18
1 20 Essendon Jayden Laverde Essendon 18
x 21 Compensation St Kilda Hugh Goddard St Kilda 9
2 22 St Kilda Daniel McKenzie St Kilda 16
2 23 GWS Patrick McKenna GWS 0
2 24 Academy GWS Jack Steele GWS 17
2 25 North Melbourne Daniel Nielson North Melbourne 0

2013

1 15 Sydney Zak Jones Sydney 31
1 16 Geelong Darcy Lang Geelong 34
1 17 Fremantle Michael Apeness Fremantle 7
1 18 St Kilda Luke Dunstan St Kilda 53
1 19 St Kilda Blake Acres St Kilda 26
1 20 Gold Coast Jack Leslie Gold Coast 6
2 21 Port Adelaide Jarman Impey Port Adelaide 55
2 22 Brisbane Darcy Gardiner Brisbane 43
2 23 Adelaide Matt Crouch Adelaide 47
2 24 Hawthorn Billy Hartung Hawthorn 45
2 25 Brisbane Daniel McStay Brisbane 41

2012

1 15 North Melbourne Taylor Garner North Melbourne 16
1 16 Geelong Jackson Thurlow Geelong 29
1 17 Fremantle Josh Simpson 2
1 18 Collingwood Brodie Grundy Collingwood 62
1 19 Collingwood Ben Kennedy Melbourne 40
1 20 Collingwood Timothy Broomhead Collingwood 21
1 21 Western Bulldogs Nathan Hrovat Western Bulldogs 30
1 22 Sydney Dean Towers Sydney 30
1 23 Brisbane Marco Paparone Brisbane 49
2 24 St Kilda Nathan Wright St Kilda 30
2 25 St Kilda Spencer White 2

2011

1 15 Richmond Brandon Ellis Richmond 110
1 16 Fremantle Thomas Sheridan Fremantle 59
1 17 Western Bulldogs Clay Smith Western Bulldogs 47
1 18 North Melbourne Bradley McKenzie North Melbourne 37
1 19 Essendon Elliott Kavanagh 12
1 20 Fremantle Hayden Crozier Fremantle 50
1 21 Father/Son Sydney Tom Mitchell Sydney 65
1 22 Carlton Joshua Bootsma 14
1 23 West Coast Murray Newman 6
1 24 Gold Coast Henry Schade Gold Coast 20
1 25 St Kilda Sebastian Ross St Kilda 59

What this shows is that anyone we draft won't be a regular player for 3 years, and that is only about a 50% chance. Adds fuel to the trade picks for quality players for as we need contributors now. And keep lyons as well unless he is part of the trade in getting a quality mid

 

[Deaneus!]

finishing 9th yet again

They'll do very well to get that far - i have them 12th

 

[lunacy]

Lyons is worth 15-20 - if we can't get that, we shouldn't even consider trading him.

That said, based on our apparent contract offer, we'll accept pick #69.

I think that's a bit much. I'd value him somewhere between 20-30.

 

[Deaneus!]

Holy Cow, i just realised Ben Jarman in available in this year's draft

I've always thought it was next year's

COME ON YOU MOTHER****ERS BRING THAT BABY HOME*

If we don't pick him, you know he will become a star somewhere else - like, say, HAWTHORN - c'mon guys, do it


* EDIT: as in, if Ben still has to make a selection, we should have been throwing the kitchen sink at him and his old man.

 

[ams4crows]

ams4crows - have you got draftees taken 15-25 over the last five years?

2011
21 Tom Mitchell (f/s)
22 Josh Boots make
23 Murray Newman
24 Henry Schade
25 Seb Ross

2012
21 Nathan Hrovat
22 Dean Towers
23 Marco Paparone
24 Nathan Wright
25 Spencer Wright

2013
21 Jarman Impey
22 Darcy Gardiner
23 Matt Crouch
24 Billy Hartington
25 Daniel McStay

2014
21 Hugh Goddard
22 Daniel McKenzie
23 Patrick McKenna
24 Jack Steele
25 Daniel Nielson

2015
21 Ben McKay
22 Kieran Lovell
23 David Cunningham
24 Ben Keys (academy)
25 Josh Dunkley

 

[I_Was_There]

Holy Cow, i just realised Ben Jarman in available in this year's draft
...

* EDIT: as in, if Ben still has to make a selection, we should have been throwing the kitchen sink at him and his old man.

Looking at the size of Fudd, I think we have been throwing the kitchen sink and even the kitchen at him.

 

[CrowsB4hoes]

Mark Bickley would be keen.

Speaking of assistants, did anything ever come from those rumblings a while back about Peter Sumich coming across to the Crows? Our season has been over for several weeks now but haven't really seen too many moves happening on the coaching front.

Caro said last night it's a done deal. Big get. Big. Huge.

 

[WaynesWorld19]

Yeah .....Milera certainly one of the skinnier 18YO's i've seen .......he won't fill-out at all

 

[WaynesWorld19]

Caro said last night it's a done deal. Big get. Big. Huge.

How so ? .....you know him ? ......you seen him work??? ......you know why he failed at every senior coaching job interview ......so why is it "big get, Big, Huge"

 

[BunjiMac]

Yeah .....Milera certainly one of the skinnier 18YO's i've seen .......he won't fill-out at all

For a young kid in first afl season I loved his attack on the man.

Remember him ironing out a few bigger players during the season with perfectly timed bumps.

Saw him do it a number of times at afl level too.

He is going to be a star without question.

 

[adelcrows]

Caro said last night it's a done deal. Big get. Big. Huge.

Well she was wrong there as it was just announced in a news article that he is going to coach the WA under 18's on a 2 year contract and has declined Adelaide's advances to be an assistant.. Wonder who we are actually speaking to for that role, has been a while now.. Surely something is happening.

 

[Pugsley]

Holy Cow, i just realised Ben Jarman in available in this year's draft

I've always thought it was next year's

COME ON YOU MOTHERgooseS BRING THAT BABY HOME*

If we don't pick him, you know he will become a star somewhere else - like, say, HAWTHORN - c'mon guys, do it


* EDIT: as in, if Ben still has to make a selection, we should have been throwing the kitchen sink at him and his old man.

I value my kitchen sink. It would get lost in Darren [emoji33]

 

[Vader]

What this shows is that anyone we draft won't be a regular player for 3 years, and that is only about a 50% chance. Adds fuel to the trade picks for quality players for as we need contributors now. And keep lyons as well unless he is part of the trade in getting a quality mid

To put it into context, Lyons was drafted in 2010 and has played 55 AFL games.

Here is the 15-25 list from his draft class:
1 15 Geelong Billie Smedts Geelong 38
1 16 Port Adelaide Ben Jacobs North Melbourne 77
1 17 North Melbourne Shaun Atley North Melbourne 132
1 18 Carlton Matthew Watson 23
1 19 Hawthorn Isaac Smith Hawthorn 135
1 20 Fremantle Jayden Pitt 10
1 21 Sydney Jed Lamb Carlton 37
1 22 Father/Son Western Bulldogs Mitchell Wallis Western Bulldogs 93
1 23 Geelong Cameron Guthrie Geelong 108
1 24 St Kilda Jamie Cripps West Coast 98
1 25 Brisbane Patrick Karnezis 25

6 of 11 have played more than Lyons. 5 of 11 have played less.

Here's the 26-35 group (same draft):


26 Priority West Coast Jack Darling West Coast 128
2 27 North Melbourne Kieran Harper 40
2 28 Brisbane Ryan Lester Brisbane 80
2 29 West Coast Scott Lycett West Coast 49
2 30 Richmond Jake Batchelor Richmond 83
2 31 Essendon Ariel Steinberg 10
2 32 Brisbane Joshua Green Brisbane 81
2 33 Melbourne Jeremy Howe Collingwood 120
2 34 Carlton Patrick McCarthy 1
2 35 Port Adelaide Ben Newton Melbourne 17

5 of 10 have played more, 5 of 10 have played less. Lycett (49 games) is reasonably close to Lyons (55) total.

Looks to me as if a 26-35 pick is about fair for Lyons.

 

[Captain Furious]

Milera and Menzel

When did Menzel ever become a mid? Doesn't have the tank or the heart.

 

[azza77]

Of course, Charlie Cameron doesn't even have the value of a top 10 pick. Perhaps an early second.

Which means there little value in trading him at all. He's worth more to us than what he is on the open market. It's a buyers market.

TBH, despite his numbers and this "low productivity" tripe I'd be ****ing pissed if we traded CC. Can't even believe there's suggestions of it.

 

[whitey_1975]

When did Menzel ever become a mid? Doesn't have the tank or the heart.

Why just why? More talented and has built a good tank this year and has shown plenty of heart in games played in 2nd half of year. I'm furious at Captain

 

[CrowsB4hoes]

Well she was wrong there as it was just announced in a news article that he is going to coach the WA under 18's on a 2 year contract and has declined Adelaide's advances to be an assistant.. Wonder who we are actually speaking to for that role, has been a while now.. Surely something is happening.

Well that's just awkward now ...

 

[CrowsB4hoes]

Well she was wrong there as it was just announced in a news article that he is going to coach the WA under 18's on a 2 year contract and has declined Adelaide's advances to be an assistant.. Wonder who we are actually speaking to for that role, has been a while now.. Surely something is happening.

Darren Glass perhaps?

 

[Jarman3]

Darren Glass perhaps?

I thought he didn't want to move out of WA? I think he signed on as some kind of leadership consultant or something when Phil Walsh took over, but my understanding is that he was just working remotely or over here for a day or two every now and again. Unless he's changed his mind and wants to get more involved?

 

[CrowsB4hoes]

How so ? .....you know him ? ......you seen him work??? ......you know why he failed at every senior coaching job interview ......so why is it "big get, Big, Huge"

He's very highly rated. Disappointed it didn't turn out.

He's established in Perth, would take a big offer or opportunity for him to leave there. Him coming to us would have not just been a big get, but a big statement.

 

[CrowsB4hoes]

I thought he didn't want to move out of WA? I think he signed on as some kind of leadership consultant or something when Phil Walsh took over, but my understanding is that he was just working remotely or over here for a day or two every now and again. Unless he's changed his mind and wants to get more involved?

I thought it was because he was studying a MBA at the time. May be done now?