List Mgmt. 2016 List Management: Contracts, Trading, Drafting, Academy

[king rising]

is Ahern good? putting aside his knee injuries, does he have potential to become an A grader?

 

[Kangaroos4eva]

is Ahern good? putting aside his knee injuries, does he have potential to become an A grader?

Too early to tell, but went a pick 7. Watch the highlights to judge for yourself, but I see a long term Wells replacement.

 

[Simmofreo]

Derek Hine the list manager for collingwood is on trade Radio and he hinted that the Giants may not be after picks for WHE

That is interesting. Who do they have we could be after

Witt's maybe

 

[king rising]

Too early to tell, but went a pick 7. Watch the highlights to judge for yourself, but I see a long term Wells replacement.

i have watched the highlights, but as we know they're called 'highlights' for a reason. wondering more about his overall game. the vision was very impressive though. do you think a deal will get done?

 

[Ellie Aquitaine]

Sorry to intrude, but how do you guys rate Marchbank, Pickett and Stewart? Did either 3 get many games last year? I don't know much about them.

Marchbank - shows promise as a KPD. Played a few games but injured for most of season.

Pickett - in hindsight a waste of a pick 4. Has X-factor but was injured for this season. Apparently not performing well in rehab. A case of what might have been.

Stewart - Serviceable KPF. Dominated NEAFL but never really grasped the opportunities to make transition to AFL.

 

[king rising]

Marchbank - shows promise as a KPD. Played a few games but injured for most of season.

Pickett - in hindsight a waste of a pick 4. Has X-factor but was injured for this season. Apparently not performing well in rehab. A case of what might have been.

Stewart - Serviceable KPF. Dominated NEAFL but never really grasped the opportunities to make transition to AFL.

how do you rate Ahern? does he have more or less potential than the above 3 mentioned?

 

[The Fid]

Obviously there will be more picks coming in for WHE, March and Pickett but at the moment we only have 4 picks worth academy points due to picks after 73 being worthless and not counting 3. Im all for targeting a specific need at 3 but at the same time our attention should be on this years and next years academy kids. Rather than giving away picks because we wont use them, securing 2017 picks should of been high on the agenda. Based on the points breakdown of this trade we just gave away a former first rounder who had shown plenty for nothing. We should of got a '17 pick coming back or kept 33 to get one from somebody else.

I don't think the 33 means that much. We'll either get 36 from North for Ahern or we'll get a second from Collingwood for Hoskin-Elliot.

I wouldn't be surprised to see the Carlton trade being 3/4 players for 13 (Gibbs) and next years second either, not pick 5.

We should be looking at getting at least an 2 extra second round picks per trade period.

 

[Ichabod Noodle]

Derek Hine the list manager for collingwood is on trade Radio and he hinted that the Giants may not be after picks for WHE

That is interesting. Who do they have we could be after

Witt's maybe

Nah, he basically said Witts was off to the Gold Coast. I thought he was talking more about not needing picks this year - sounded like he wanted to do it for a future pick.

He wasn't keen on giving us 25 - but who knows what they bring in with Frost to Brisbane, Witts to the GC and Cloke to the Dogs. Maybe they turn around one of those.

 

[Danny88]

Obviously there will be more picks coming in for WHE, March and Pickett but at the moment we only have 4 picks worth academy points due to picks after 73 being worthless and not counting 3. Im all for targeting a specific need at 3 but at the same time our attention should be on this years and next years academy kids. Rather than giving away picks because we wont use them, securing 2017 picks should of been high on the agenda. Based on the points breakdown of this trade we just gave away a former first rounder who had shown plenty for nothing. We should of got a '17 pick coming back or kept 33 to get one from somebody else.

Dont think we are going to agree here... i think its a good trade for us

 

[Andre the Giant]

how do you rate Ahern? does he have more or less potential than the above 3 mentioned?

I think he was closer to senior selection than Pickett.

Marchbank has shown the most. Pickett has shown very little and has a question on attitude.

Ahern has a Group 1 attitude but has had no luck. If he comes right he's best 22. In the footage I've seen he is very good at marshalling forwards into space and delivering with accuracy. Has beautiful foot skills and good pace.

 

[The Fid]

Was it bad drafting in 2014 - Marchbank (homesick) Pickett (was never AFL ready) Ahern (another mid) or just bad luck Marchbank (injuries) Pickett (injuries when coming good) Ahern (2 x knees) that this class for us was so bad?

 

[Ichabod Noodle]

Was it bad drafting in 2014 - Marchbank (homesick) Pickett (was never AFL ready) Ahern (another mid) or just bad luck Marchbank (injuries) Pickett (injuries when coming good) Ahern (2 x knees) that this class for us was so bad?

Yes and no. Sometimes drafts are complete busts for clubs. Everyone talks about how good Stephen Wells is at Geelong and the couple of monste drafts they got to build their premiership teams around - but when you look at their draft history. It's probably more miss than hit.

1999
8: Joel Corey
15: David Spriggs
17: Ezra Bray
23: Daniel Foster
31: Paul Chapman
38: Cameron Ling
47: Corey Enright

They took Spriggs, Bray and Foster before lucking out late with Chappy, Ling and Boris.

2000
44: Josh Hunt
71: Daniel Lowther

2001:
8: Jimmy Bartel
17: James Kelly
23: Charlie Gardner
24: Steve Johnson
40: Gary Ablett Jnr (F/S)
41: Henry Playfair
69: Matthew McCarthy
81: David Johnson

2002
7: Andrew Mackie
23: Tom Lonergan
36: Tim Callan (F/S)

2003:
7: Kane Tenace
22: Cameron Thurley
38: Mark Blake (F/S)
42: Matthew Spencer

Anyone in that draft at all?

2004:
33: Brent Prismall
48: Nathan Ablett (F/S)
62: Matthew Egan

Anyone here?

2005:
15: Travis Varcoe
31: Trent West
35: Stephen Owen
47: Ryan Gamble
61: Matthew Stokes

Ok, Varcoe and Stokes (lucky late), but that's two and a half years of almost complete busts.

When you have a couple of really strong drafts, and the players are all of a similar age, then it's only natural that the drafts that come after are a bit of a lottery and places in an established side are limited.

We'll look back on 2014 the way Geelong does 2003 and 2004.

 

[king rising]

anyone know how likely it is that Ahearn get to North?

 

[The Fid]

Yes and no. Sometimes drafts are complete busts for clubs. Everyone talks about how good Stephen Wells is at Geelong and the couple of monste drafts they got to build their premiership teams around - but when you look at their draft history. It's probably more miss than hit.

1999
8: Joel Corey
15: David Spriggs
17: Ezra Bray
23: Daniel Foster
31: Paul Chapman
38: Cameron Ling
47: Corey Enright

They took Spriggs, Bray and Foster before lucking out late with Chappy, Ling and Boris.

2000
44: Josh Hunt
71: Daniel Lowther

2001:
8: Jimmy Bartel
17: James Kelly
23: Charlie Gardner
24: Steve Johnson
40: Gary Ablett Jnr (F/S)
41: Henry Playfair
69: Matthew McCarthy
81: David Johnson

2002
7: Andrew Mackie
23: Tom Lonergan
36: Tim Callan (F/S)

2003:
7: Kane Tenace
22: Cameron Thurley
38: Mark Blake (F/S)
42: Matthew Spencer

Anyone in that draft at all?

2004:
33: Brent Prismall
48: Nathan Ablett (F/S)
62: Matthew Egan

Anyone here?

2005:
15: Travis Varcoe
31: Trent West
35: Stephen Owen
47: Ryan Gamble
61: Matthew Stokes

Ok, Varcoe and Stokes (lucky late), but that's two and a half years of almost complete busts.

When you have a couple of really strong drafts, and the players are all of a similar age, then it's only natural that the drafts that come after are a bit of a lottery and places in an established side are limited.

We'll look back on 2014 the way Geelong does 2003 and 2004.

Fair play, there are a few stinkers there.

 

[dlanod]

Yes and no. Sometimes drafts decades are complete busts for clubs.

Check out the Lions' drafting history from 2001-2010 for some shockers. 2008 probably the only exception.

 

[captainMyCaptain]

As somewhat expected Patfull has called it a day
http://www.gwsgiants.com.au/news/2016-10-12/patfull-calls-full-time

 

[Ellie Aquitaine]

As somewhat expected Patfull has called it a day
http://www.gwsgiants.com.au/news/2016-10-12/patfull-calls-full-time

Sad to see Joel retire from seniors, but he'll be of assistance to the NEAFL squad.

 

[captainMyCaptain]

If things go as expected we will likely move on 10 guys and if we don't trade in any players then were looking at drafting in 8 players to get to the list size of 40

 

[coniglio_number1]

thanks for the memories patfull!

Will miss his cool head and poise under pressure. However Adam Kennedy just found himself game time

 

[Simmofreo]

Need some more defenders I reckon

 

[Determinant]

Sad to see Joel retire from seniors, but he'll be of assistance to the NEAFL squad.

The way I read the announcement he is on a paid holiday for 12 months, not at the club

 

[Jaffa Fan]

Need some more defenders I reckon

Heath Shaw, Zac Williams, Nathan Wilson, Nick Haynes, Phil Davis, Adam Kennedy, Adam Tomlinson, Matt Buntine, Harrison Himmelberg, Aidan Corr, Tim Mohr, Jeremy Finlayson and Pat McKenna.

I think we'll be OK.

 

[dlanod]

The way I read the announcement he is on a paid holiday for 12 months, not at the club

That's how I read it too. Literally, he's not playing but he's on the list so that we only have to count 50% of his payout/salary under the cap.

 

[Simmofreo]

Heath Shaw, Zac Williams, Nathan Wilson, Nick Haynes, Phil Davis, Adam Kennedy, Adam Tomlinson, Matt Buntine, Harrison Himmelberg, Aidan Corr, Tim Mohr, Jeremy Finlayson and Pat McKenna.

I think we'll be OK.

Oh.

That's a few

 

[Ichabod Noodle]

Heath Shaw, Zac Williams, Nathan Wilson, Nick Haynes, Phil Davis, Adam Kennedy, Adam Tomlinson, Matt Buntine, Harrison Himmelberg, Aidan Corr, Tim Mohr, Jeremy Finlayson and Pat McKenna.

I think we'll be OK.

Oh.

That's a few

And McCreadie coming in this draft too.