List Mgmt. 2016 List Management: Contracts, Trading, Drafting, Academy

[Determinant]

Sorry for the interruption I was just wondering do you Giants supporters see yourselves selecting Kobe Mutch & Isaac Cumming from your academy, both tested decently at the combine, just wondering how supporters rate them.

Cumming looks a likely type, as does Mutch, Cummings was given a fair wrap on the Fox draft show last night as a potential Adelaide recruit with GWS unlikely to match. Not sure I agree that we wouldn't match on either given our list is in a fair bit of flux at the moment at the development end.

 

[PurpleEyes]

Happy (as a Freo supporter) to see the Cam McCarthy deal done nice and early.
GWS supporters copped plenty of criticism from us mob last year regarding Cam, so I for one are grateful that this is now sorted.
I sincerely hope GWS are able to make good use of pick#3 and it ends up a win-win for both clubs in the future.

 

[dlanod]

Ahearn to North

Ugh.

 

[captainMyCaptain]

GREATER Western Sydney is still targeting the Brisbane Lions' No.2 pick despite claiming pick No.3 in the trade that sent Cameron McCarthy to Fremantle on Tuesday.

http://www.afl.com.au/news/2016-10-...m=feed&utm_campaign=RSS+feed:+AFL+Latest+News

 

[Andre the Giant]

Happy (as a Freo supporter) to see the Cam McCarthy deal done nice and early.
GWS supporters copped plenty of criticism from us mob last year regarding Cam, so I for one are grateful that this is now sorted.
I sincerely hope GWS are able to make good use of pick#3 and it ends up a win-win for both clubs in the future.

Thank you for that, classy post. We wish him well and hope both sides do well out of the deal.

Let's all move on now.

 

[Colonial]

Happy (as a Freo supporter) to see the Cam McCarthy deal done nice and early.
GWS supporters copped plenty of criticism from us mob last year regarding Cam, so I for one are grateful that this is now sorted.
I sincerely hope GWS are able to make good use of pick#3 and it ends up a win-win for both clubs in the future.

Cheers. Enjoy.

 

[Kangaroos4eva]

Would that be for North's compo pick for Wells? (32)

Not sure, I thought a mid second rounder be a win for you guys seem most of next year is gone for him.

Has apparently already met with us today.

 

[peters17]

Not sure, I thought a mid second rounder be a win for you guys seem most of next year is gone for him.

Has apparently already met with us today.

Future second I'd hope for

 

[Andre the Giant]

Not sure, I thought a mid second rounder be a win for you guys seem most of next year is gone for him.

Has apparently already met with us today.

Looks like a salary dump for us so I don't think we will ask for much and as you say he will miss next year.

If you do get him and he overcomes the knee problems he will add some speed and skill to your midfield. From the tapes he is a really beautiful kick.

Its a shame injuries didn't allow us to see the best of him.

 

[Kangaroos4eva]

Future second I'd hope for

I believe that we could, but we finally get access to the tassie academy next year, so who knows with picks, it's a new experience for us.

 

[Kangaroos4eva]

Looks like a salary dump for us so I don't think we will ask for much and as you say he will miss next year.

If you do get him and he overcomes the knee problems he will add some speed and skill to your midfield. From the tapes he is a really beautiful kick.

Its a shame injuries didn't allow us to see the best of him.

Long term Wells replacement I believe is the thinking. Future 2nd/3rd pick, injury does hurt his value sadly.

 

[SizeMatters]

http://www.afl.com.au/news/2016-10-11/trade-wrap-giants-target-pick-no2?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=RSS+feed:+AFL+Latest+News

what would it take? I doubt GWS will target pick 2 because of the chance Lions might bid for academy player so it must mean GWS want a bloke who Lions want as well. McGrath or Ainsworth is what I have heard. Would need to be a fairly good offer to prise pick 2 away from the Lions...

 

[actabunni]

http://www.afl.com.au/news/2016-10-11/trade-wrap-giants-target-pick-no2?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=RSS+feed:+AFL+Latest+News

That's just craziness stick with pick 3 we will get either McGrath, McCluggage or Ainsworth or anybody else we like. My opinion not much between any of them.

 

[Giant Pete]

Ainsworth/McGrath should be who we target.

 

[Andre the Giant]

That's just craziness stick with pick 3 we will get either McGrath, McCluggage or Ainsworth or anybody else we like. My opinion not much between any of them.

Seems odd. Obviously we haven't been in the interviews with these kids. One or more might be a flight risk?

 

[actabunni]

Seems odd. Obviously we haven't been in the interviews with these kids. One or more might be a flight risk?

Possibly but either way no guarantees who ever we pick isn't seeing much if any first team football next season and as we have seen some get impatient. Maybe 1 has expressed that he is keen 2 move (from home) away some kids are like that and if that's the case all things being equal I can understand what we are trying 2 do.

 

[Ellie Aquitaine]

Actually saw that mentioned in the smh today, and if it happens that's all of our 2014 draft class gone and what a magic note sos left us on in his last year with us.

We still have TOJ Finlayson.

 

[Giant Heart]

I heard about our trade with Freo earlier in the day and nearly fell off my chair! I was hoping to come in here to get some perspective, as to me it seemed like we were right royally shafted!

I get that we wanted pick #3 specifically as we have a target in mind, but on paper at least it looks terrible. I would have thought McCarthy and #7 alone would have gotten pick #3 over the line.

Trading a two further picks to Freo has tipped the scales way into favour of Freo. Surely, even if we didn't plan to use those later picks themselves, we could have used them for real leverage in a different trade.

I may be talking out of school here, as I don't have the knowledge that some of you guys have, but the poor trade value for McCarthy this year is just compounded by the fact that we could have gotten a lot more for him last year.

I agreed with the decision at the time to dig our heals in and make a statement that we wouldn't be pushed around, but it feels as though we've cut off our nose to spite our face. The point we made seems to have been made somewhat in vain.

 

[Determinant]

I heard about our trade with Freo earlier in the day and nearly fell off my chair! I was hoping to come in here to get some perspective, as to me it seemed like we were right royally shafted!

I get that we wanted pick #3 specifically as we have a target in mind, but on paper at least it looks terrible. I would have thought McCarthy and #7 alone would have gotten pick #3 over the line.

Trading a two further picks to Freo has tipped the scales way into favour of Freo. Surely, even if we didn't plan to use those later picks themselves, we could have used them for real leverage in a different trade.

I may be talking out of school here, as I don't have the knowledge that some of you guys have, but the poor trade value for McCarthy this year is just compounded by the fact that we could have gotten a lot more for him last year.

I agreed with the decision at the time to dig our heals in and make a statement that we wouldn't be pushed around, but it feels as though we've cut off our nose to spite our face. The point we made seems to have been made somewhat in vain.

Last year we were trading for 2 17s not really the same thing as 2 3s, which we probably would have done, principal or not..
7 to 3 is a big upgrade, I think Freo got him for slight unders with the other picks going back, but we were not in the best bargaining position and the late pick is a nothing to us anyway

 

[captainMyCaptain]

We still have TOJ Finlayson.

Right you are, and hopefully in time he will turn into a player for us

 

[Neku]

Sorry to intrude, but how do you guys rate Marchbank, Pickett and Stewart? Did either 3 get many games last year? I don't know much about them.

 

[Orange Agent]

Feel like there is a part 2 to the McCarthy trade thats yet to be told. Given we are forced to shed extra players was expecting some 2 picks for 1 type trades but giving them 33 seems overs. Either he is further off the rails than has been revealed or this is a poor start for Craig Cameron.

 

[Danny88]

Feel like there is a part 2 to the McCarthy trade thats yet to be told. Given we are forced to shed extra players was expecting some 2 picks for 1 type trades but giving them 33 seems overs. Either he is further off the rails than has been revealed or this is a poor start for Craig Cameron.

Mate you aren't looking at the game plan here. If u look at that trade in isolation we lose but it's not that simple. We have some top academy talent which we will take on this year- if we walked away with just that we would be happy. BUT, we are upgrading to get a top pick AND the academy talent. The pick in the 70's is worth nothing to us and the second rounder is only useful in regard to how it contributes to covering academy kids- we won't be bidding on kids outside of the academy in the second round. So the end result is, we move up the draft BUT also get to keep the academy kids. Goal achieved

EDIT: I should mention we have the points to cover these academy kids without that pick in the 30's

 

[dlanod]

I heard about our trade with Freo earlier in the day and nearly fell off my chair! I was hoping to come in here to get some perspective, as to me it seemed like we were right royally shafted!

I get that we wanted pick #3 specifically as we have a target in mind, but on paper at least it looks terrible. I would have thought McCarthy and #7 alone would have gotten pick #3 over the line.

Trading a two further picks to Freo has tipped the scales way into favour of Freo. Surely, even if we didn't plan to use those later picks themselves, we could have used them for real leverage in a different trade.

I may be talking out of school here, as I don't have the knowledge that some of you guys have, but the poor trade value for McCarthy this year is just compounded by the fact that we could have gotten a lot more for him last year.

I agreed with the decision at the time to dig our heals in and make a statement that we wouldn't be pushed around, but it feels as though we've cut off our nose to spite our face. The point we made seems to have been made somewhat in vain.

Here's my analysis from the D&T board that sums up my opinion:

Last time GWS did this, they did it with Tyson, a former top 3 pick who they traded for the equivalent of pick 15.

They picked Josh Kelly.

I think the draft pick value doesn't capture the disproportionate value of really early picks where you know who you can target. Sydney offered picks 6 and 14 for pick 3 in 2009 to draft Martin. That would be considered massive overs as a "fair" trade would've been the equivalent of pick 6 + 14 for picks 3 + 30. Richmond knocked them back.

It's not great "value", but what's the point of value if you can't spend it all?

 

[Orange Agent]

Mate you aren't looking at the game plan here. If u look at that trade in isolation we lose but it's not that simple. We have some top academy talent which we will take on this year- if we walked away with just that we would be happy. BUT, we are upgrading to get a top pick AND the academy talent. The pick in the 70's is worth nothing to us and the second rounder is only useful in regard to how it contributes to covering academy kids- we won't be bidding on kids outside of the academy in the second round. So the end result is, we move up the draft BUT also get to keep the academy kids. Goal achieved

EDIT: I should mention we have the points to cover these academy kids without that pick in the 30's

Obviously there will be more picks coming in for WHE, March and Pickett but at the moment we only have 4 picks worth academy points due to picks after 73 being worthless and not counting 3. Im all for targeting a specific need at 3 but at the same time our attention should be on this years and next years academy kids. Rather than giving away picks because we wont use them, securing 2017 picks should of been high on the agenda. Based on the points breakdown of this trade we just gave away a former first rounder who had shown plenty for nothing. We should of got a '17 pick coming back or kept 33 to get one from somebody else.