Draft Review 2016 - Revisiting the 2016 AFL Draft

[Wild Bill]

I completely agree regarding Shai consistency. Fell away massively last year. Issac Heeney has also not been a picture of consistency throughout his career either plus he is 3yrs older.

McCluggage is also ahead of Shai in his body of work at this stage in thier careers. But Shai has the potential to be the number one player in the game in the next 3yrs. How hard does he want to work for it is the big question

Heeney was the answer to your question "Is there any player right now you'd want with the ball in thier hands ahead of Shai?".

 

[Wild Bill]

Interesting that the measure of a player now seems to be coaches votes.

Shai Bolton is the only one that has received coaches votes while playing in a grand final, a premiership in fact

He also has finished 4th in the best and fairest in a premiership year, and he did it as a 21 year old

I think that means he must have been pretty consistent and brilliant.

Its also weird that Shai is being judged on his consistency when his ceiling is higher than any other player in his draft pool and perhaps the league

I mean if he played to his ability every week, he would win the brownlow and the coleman, he is after all human, judge him against his peers, not against his potential.

Wouldn't you think that the coaches would have a very good understanding on how well a player has played?

This is not a true statement.
"Shai Bolton is the only one that has received coaches votes while playing in a grand final."

 

[Ambrosia]

Don’t think there’s anything wrong with having Bolton number 1 at this stage. I’d personally go with McCluggage and maybe Taranto ahead of him but all 3 have reasonable claims to being the best in the draft imo.

Very tough draft to rank. Larkey and Lewis look like long term very good KPFs

Darcy is already top 3-5 ruck in the league. Marshall not too far behind.

English and Draper still only scratching the surface of their primes imo.
Stewart looked like the best backman in the comp last year before injury.

Ridley and Henry are guns

Perryman hasn’t put a foot wrong his whole career.

 

[Haychh]

JFC

This thread is legitimately stuck on loop.

 

[Big_Birdy]

JFC

This thread is legitimately stuck on loop.

Needs more Willie.

 

[Haychh]

Needs more Willie.

You and me both..

 

[s_wd6]

Don't understand the obsession with trying to convince everyone your player is the outright best from this draft. Is them contributing well to the team not enough? Out of the McCluggage, Taranto, and Shai debate the answer is always going to vary based on whatever team they support.

 

[Wild Bill]

Don't understand the obsession with trying to convince everyone your player is the outright best from this draft. Is them contributing well to the team not enough? Out of the McCluggage, Taranto, and Shai debate the answer is always going to vary based on whatever team they support.

Its a re-do thread.

 

[s_wd6]

Its a re-do thread.

well i guess that makes sense. just assumed it was general discussion.

 

[Haychh]

Don't understand the obsession with trying to convince everyone your player is the outright best from this draft. Is them contributing well to the team not enough? Out of the McCluggage, Taranto, and Shai debate the answer is always going to vary based on whatever team they support.

The convincing that your player is the best is fine. It's the Richmond supporters who come in here and fail to acknowledge that 17 other teams exist that gets under everyone's skin.

Bolton is up there but you could almost throw a blanket over the top 10.

 

[KissKiss]

Probably the one thing that always fails with re-do lists is the ignoring team needs. Some teams would value rucks, backs, mids slightly differently in different years

 

[s_wd6]

Probably the one thing that always fails with re-do lists is the ignoring team needs. Some teams would value rucks, backs, mids slightly differently in different years

Yeah the 2016 draft has probably set up our backline for years to come with ryan, cox, and logue who are all very important to our team but only 1 of them is in the top 10 conversation for this draft. Darcy a top 3 ruck in the comp too which we desperately needed after sandi. Much better off ranking the defenders/mids/fwds separately

 

[Snuffaluphagus]

The convincing that your player is the best is fine. It's the Richmond supporters who come in here and fail to acknowledge that 17 other teams exist that gets under everyone's skin.

Bolton is up there but you could almost throw a blanket over the top 10.

The past two years in this thread summed up
Every other supporter "Bolton is elite but you cant clearly say he's number 1 at this stage given how strong the class is and his inconsistency"

Our Richmond mates "Bolton is clearly number 1, this stat I choose while ignoring the others is all that's relevant, all you claiming Bolton is an average player have no idea what you are talking about"

 

[Haychh]

Probably the one thing that always fails with re-do lists is the ignoring team needs. Some teams would value rucks, backs, mids slightly differently in different years

Pretty much this. Ridley isn't the #1 player from this draft but there is nobody taken after him (Bolton included) that I had wished we drafted instead. I'd hate to see where our backline would've been over the last 2 years without him back there.

 

[Haychh]

As for pick #1 give me another crack and we take Taranto or McLuggage. The gap has widened between them and McGrath unfortunately.

 

[freo_leo29]

I really hope Bolton leaves to a WA team or just anywhere

Would be interesting to see if all these Tigers supporters keep pumping him up

 

[Shadow89]

The past two years in this thread summed up
Every other supporter "Bolton is elite but you cant clearly say he's number 1 at this stage given how strong the class is and his inconsistency"

Our Richmond mates "Bolton is clearly number 1, this stat I choose while ignoring the others is all that's relevant, all you claiming Bolton is average player have no idea what you are talking about"

Seriously, how has that idiot not been thread banned yet, as he's consistently making it about one player and derailing the thread/creating arguments?

Every single page I read 'Bolton blah blah blah' 'Bolton yada yada yada'...it's so friggin' tiresome. Everyone should just say he's the best player that ever existed, and be done with it. I'm so f*cking sick of hearing about him, lol.

 

[Snuffaluphagus]

Seriously, how has that idiot not been thread banned yet, as he's consistently making it about one player and derailing the thread/creating arguments?

Every single page I read 'Bolton blah blah blah' 'Bolton yada yada yada'...it's so friggin' tiresome. Everyone should just say he's the best player that ever existed, and be done with it. I'm so f*cking sick of hearing about him, lol.

It is getting there, but we have this sub-forum to allow for more light-hearted discussion and banter. I find him funny personally

 

[scoops]

Crows absolutely butchered this draft.

 

[Shadow89]

It is getting there, but we have this sub-forum to allow for more light-hearted discussion and banter. I find him funny personally

I find him a few eggs short of a dozen, but I guess it's all perspective

 

[Wild Bill]

I find him a few eggs short of a dozen, but I guess it's all perspective

His view on Tiger players is like how my 6 year old views North players - that they are all amazing superhero's that have no faults.

Is there an age limit to post on Bigfooty?

 

[Elmer_Hauser]

I concede Bolton has probably gone past Taranto, but still behind McLuggage and Stewart.

 

[Ambrosia]

His view on Tiger players is like how my 6 year old views North players - that they are all amazing superhero's that have no faults.

Is there an age limit to post on Bigfooty?

I find it hard to believe that your 6 year old has as little clue about opposition players

 

[blaisee]

The past two years in this thread summed up
Every other supporter "Bolton is elite but you cant clearly say he's number 1 at this stage given how strong the class is and his inconsistency"

Our Richmond mates "Bolton is clearly number 1, this stat I choose while ignoring the others is all that's relevant, all you claiming Bolton is an average player have no idea what you are talking about"

no, and its disingenuous for you to say that as you know it not to be true.

Its more like,

Bolton is crap
Bolton is not bad but not great
Bolton is good not great
Bolton is great but inconsistent

Its been a journey of self discovery for the non believers.

AFLCA Champion Player of the Year - AFL Coaches Association Awards - AFL Coaches Association

aflcoaches.com.au

meanwhile we seem to have landed where the consensus is that AFL coaches votes are the ones that really matter when ranking players.

Bolton is top 6 in the league in 2022 so far.

I look forward to the cognitive biased tying themselves in knots reverse engineering their rationale to argue against Bolton

Its nothing but entertaining. Predictable but unimaginative

Meanwhile what I have been saying for years is becoming impossible to argue against

Bolton is the best player taken in the 2016 draft.

I suggest you all just put down your weapons and enjoy the artist at work, He is to football what Monet is to impressionism, to the uncouth I provide you this reference

Claude Monet - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

From hereon to pay tribute I will refer to him as Shai Monet .

 

[s_wd6]

I look forward to the cognitive biased tying themselves in knots reverse engineering their rationale to argue against Bolton

Its nothing but entertaining. Predictable but unimaginative

Meanwhile what I have been saying for years is becoming impossible to argue against

Brennan Cox is the best player taken in the 2016 draft.

I suggest you all just put down your weapons and enjoy the artist at work, He is to football what Monet is to impressionism, to the uncouth I provide you this reference

Claude Monet - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

From hereon to pay tribute I will refer to him as Shai Monet .

So true