2017 Afl Draft

[threesixpio]

Not another one...

?

Don't have many atm. Getting Smith and Hill in the team ='d flags

 

[Collins-Langford-Ayres]

The deal was a bit more complicated than just a first round pick. In the end, trying to make sense of the trade period, I think it worked out to be:

Hawthorn Gain
- O'Meara
- 2016 pick 68
- 2017 second round pick (GWS)

Hawthorn Gave:
- 2016 pick 23
- 2016 pick 36
- 2016 pick 48
- 2016 pick 66
- 2016 pick 70
- 2017 first round pick (HFC)
- 2017 second round pick (HFC)

*we also received pick 10 from the Saints and passed that on to the Suns.

** for O'Meara, the Suns got 2016 pick 10 and our second round pick for this year, which looks like it will be pick 25 or so.

 

[Bradkli]

The deal was a bit more complicated than just a first round pick. In the end, trying to make sense of the trade period, I think it worked out to be:

Hawthorn Gain
- O'Meara
- 2016 pick 68
- 2017 second round pick (GWS)

Hawthorn Gave:
- 2016 pick 23
- 2016 pick 36
- 2016 pick 48
- 2016 pick 66
- 2016 pick 70
- 2017 first round pick (HFC)
- 2017 second round pick (HFC)

*we also received pick 10 from the Saints and passed that on to the Suns.

** for O'Meara, the Suns got 2016 pick 10 and our second round pick for this year, which looks like it will be pick 25 or so.

How can anyone look at that deal and think it's good??? even if Jaeger turns out to be a very good player... saying "but draft picks are a lottery" and "how did dowler, thorp, ellis, muston etc turn out" and "you would rather have an established player than take a risk on a 18 year old kid in the draft" are not valid arguments. They are not valid because that "proven 23 year old star" has suffered a terrible injury and hasn't played in over 2 years..by the time he actually starts to play consistent quality football will be by the middle of next year AT BEST, and that's if everything goes to plan... who's to say the player that will go pick 2 or 3 this year won't be better than Jaeger?? Who's to say the player at pick 23 won't be the next Zach Merrett or Isaac Smith?? you can argue all you like but it's a terrible deal, especially with pick 2 or 3 AT BEST going to St Kilda this year.

 

[NICE1]

The deal was a bit more complicated than just a first round pick. In the end, trying to make sense of the trade period, I think it worked out to be:

Hawthorn Gain
- O'Meara
- 2016 pick 68
- 2017 second round pick (GWS)

Hawthorn Gave:
- 2016 pick 23
- 2016 pick 36
- 2016 pick 48
- 2016 pick 66
- 2016 pick 70
- 2017 first round pick (HFC)
- 2017 second round pick (HFC)

*we also received pick 10 from the Saints and passed that on to the Suns.

** for O'Meara, the Suns got 2016 pick 10 and our second round pick for this year, which looks like it will be pick 25 or so.

God that's disgusting.

Given where our list is at, it was actually negligent by the club to engage in that type of deal.

 

[KermitJagger]

I don't get how above are saying it's such a bad deal when our drop off would have been just as spectacular next year had Mitchell and Lewis continued on, then Mitchell, Burgoyne, Hodge and Gibson all retired at the end of this year and we drafted kids. Calling it "negligent" as if the club didn't do its due diligence.

We made a play for O'Meara and it hasn't paid off in half a year of football, so it's the end of the world. This is why people think our supporters are bandwagoners, because one bad year and we all jump off. The way I see it - you guys shouldn't be able to celebrate if we come out of the woodwork next year and challenge again.

 

[Dragz]

As long as we don't get Pick 6....

 

[Gralin]

- 2016 pick 48
- 2016 pick 66
- 2016 pick 70

Those three picks were not part of the deal for O'Meara, they were for GWS 2017 Second Round pick off Carlton which we still have

 

[Furn2]

How can anyone look at that deal and think it's good??? even if Jaeger turns out to be a very good player... saying "but draft picks are a lottery" and "how did dowler, thorp, ellis, muston etc turn out" and "you would rather have an established player than take a risk on a 18 year old kid in the draft" are not valid arguments. They are not valid because that "proven 23 year old star" has suffered a terrible injury and hasn't played in over 2 years..by the time he actually starts to play consistent quality football will be by the middle of next year AT BEST, and that's if everything goes to plan... who's to say the player that will go pick 2 or 3 this year won't be better than Jaeger?? Who's to say the player at pick 23 won't be the next Zach Merrett or Isaac Smith?? you can argue all you like but it's a terrible deal, especially with pick 2 or 3 AT BEST going to St Kilda this year.

By that logic if we trade pick 70 for Steven May and pick 70 ends up being an better player then it was a bad trade.

You can only go on the value of what was traded at the time and that was a first rounder and 3 junk picks.

 

[HODGEYROAD]

I don't get how above are saying it's such a bad deal when our drop off would have been just as spectacular next year had Mitchell and Lewis continued on, then Mitchell, Burgoyne, Hodge and Gibson all retired at the end of this year and we drafted kids. Calling it "negligent" as if the club didn't do its due diligence.

We made a play for O'Meara and it hasn't paid off in half a year of football, so it's the end of the world. This is why people think our supporters are bandwagoners, because one bad year and we all jump off. The way I see it - you guys shouldn't be able to celebrate if we come out of the woodwork next year and challenge again.

We won't but why shouldn't people that question choices not be able to celebrate ? As long as you keep buying your memberships and turning up to games you should celebrate as much as you please.

 

[Mr Lizard]

Those three picks were not part of the deal for O'Meara, they were for GWS 2017 Second Round pick off Carlton which we still have

GWS pick is listed in his post. We had to trade that second round pick in after trading ours out; fair to call it part of the trade.

In any case, turning attention to the 2017 draft, these are the academy players we have available:

Tony Olango (2016/17), Marrara, Multicultural
Changkuoth Jiath (2017), Morwell, Multicultural
Bol Jok (2017), Pakenham, Multicultural
Tyrone Hayes (2017), Lakes Entrance, Indigenous

Devlin Brereton and James Langford as f/s also.

 

[WWSD]

I don't need reminding that we are in the bottom 4 and our first pick isn't until 35.

With pick 36 in the 2001 draft Hawthorn select Sam Mitchell from the Box Hill Hawks

With pick 34 in the 2008 draft Hawthorn select Liam Shiels from the Eastern Rangers

With pick 46 in the 2009 draft Hawthorn select Ben Stratton from East Perth

With pick 31 in the 2014 draft Hawthorn select Daniel Howe from the Murray Bushrangers

The club may still pick up a decent young player. Look at Mitch Lewis and Harry Morrison in the VFL as prime examples. They were both very late picks but have been impressive and they may still turn out to be decent players going forward.

 

[Birdofprey]

I am hoping that GW and AC are already putting together a 2017 draft strategy that will have a few surprises - I don't think they ever view our trade options as simply the sum of the picks we have at our disposal at any one time. Of course, an early pick would be great currency, particularly when we will likely finish so low. But their thinking will not be limited by what we don't have this time round.

Last draft was somewhat "shock and awe", but I cant fault their thinking. Already the decision to let Mitch and Lewis move on is one that I think has been proved correct (notice less of the Hawthorn bashing in the press about it). The Mitch interview today sounds like he is fast losing interest with playing, even though he is enjoying the new environment. And as much as I love Lewis, he would not have been an answer to our woes this year. Losing Hill was tough, but our club cannot talk about family and the importance of people, and then stop him from moving to be with his brother. I am comfortable with that decision.

The decision to grab Tom Mitch was beyond correct (hardly a big statement there). In the case of JOM, everyone else in the football world was hoping we did not get him!! So clearly our thinking was not that unreasonable at the time. Until he is on the park and playing very good footy, that deal is going to feel uncomfortable for us - I understand that. But if I am reading the interviews correctly, they are working on eradicating soreness and building strength across both knees, not rehabing in response to more damage. Ty Vickery - meh, what can we do. I was a big supporter of the idea, thinking that if we moved the ball forward well he could kick 40+ goals/ruck while some of our bigger blokes rehab and retain fitness. Maybe not.

Considered as a whole draft strategy, last years approach was completely reasonable, more hit than miss, and kind of bold and exciting to be honest. Alot more upside to come - JOM can only improve from where he is now - he cannot get worse than not playing!

So back to 2017. I am hoping more of the same. I am not sure what they are planning - but I dont think they will be sitting around worrying about not having the first round pick. Take some risks! Roll the dice with a FA or two that no-one else is thinking of, and wait for next year to draft youth. Combined with further improvement of our current younger players and a shorter injury list, our side could improve out of sight. And if all else completely fails - our 2018 first round pick looks alot more attractive as a bargaining tool than what our 2017 pick was this time last year!! Ha Ha!!

 

[Collins-Langford-Ayres]

Those three picks were not part of the deal for O'Meara, they were for GWS 2017 Second Round pick off Carlton which we still have

Fine to look at it that way, it just means then that:

Hawthorn Gain
- O'Meara
- 2016 pick 68

Hawthorn Gave:
- 2016 pick 23
- 2016 pick 36
- 2017 first round pick (HFC)
- 2017 second round pick (HFC)

That looks even worse for mine !!

 

[Gralin]

Fine to look at it that way, it just means then that:

Hawthorn Gain
- O'Meara
- 2016 pick 68

Hawthorn Gave:
- 2016 pick 23
- 2016 pick 36
- 2017 first round pick (HFC)
- 2017 second round pick (HFC)

That looks even worse for mine !!

Three second round picks and one first round pick.

That is two more second round picks than Mitch cost us and one less first round pick than treloar cost the pies

 

[HODGEYROAD]

Three second round picks and one first round pick.

That is two more second round picks than Mitch cost us and one less first round pick than treloar cost the pies

Bit of a difference with The Mitch 1st pick (14) and this years one likely ( 2) though.

 

[flinchfree]

I am hoping that GW and AC are already putting together a 2017 draft strategy that will have a few surprises - I don't think they ever view our trade options as simply the sum of the picks we have at our disposal at any one time. Of course, an early pick would be great currency, particularly when we will likely finish so low. But their thinking will not be limited by what we don't have this time round.

Last draft was somewhat "shock and awe", but I cant fault their thinking. Already the decision to let Mitch and Lewis move on is one that I think has been proved correct (notice less of the Hawthorn bashing in the press about it). The Mitch interview today sounds like he is fast losing interest with playing, even though he is enjoying the new environment. And as much as I love Lewis, he would not have been an answer to our woes this year. Losing Hill was tough, but our club cannot talk about family and the importance of people, and then stop him from moving to be with his brother. I am comfortable with that decision.

The decision to grab Tom Mitch was beyond correct (hardly a big statement there). In the case of JOM, everyone else in the football world was hoping we did not get him!! So clearly our thinking was not that unreasonable at the time. Until he is on the park and playing very good footy, that deal is going to feel uncomfortable for us - I understand that. But if I am reading the interviews correctly, they are working on eradicating soreness and building strength across both knees, not rehabing in response to more damage. Ty Vickery - meh, what can we do. I was a big supporter of the idea, thinking that if we moved the ball forward well he could kick 40+ goals/ruck while some of our bigger blokes rehab and retain fitness. Maybe not.

Considered as a whole draft strategy, last years approach was completely reasonable, more hit than miss, and kind of bold and exciting to be honest. Alot more upside to come - JOM can only improve from where he is now - he cannot get worse than not playing!

So back to 2017. I am hoping more of the same. I am not sure what they are planning - but I dont think they will be sitting around worrying about not having the first round pick. Take some risks! Roll the dice with a FA or two that no-one else is thinking of, and wait for next year to draft youth. Combined with further improvement of our current younger players and a shorter injury list, our side could improve out of sight. And if all else completely fails - our 2018 first round pick looks alot more attractive as a bargaining tool than what our 2017 pick was this time last year!! Ha Ha!!

Welcome to the jungle.
Nice opener.

 

[HODGEYROAD]

GWS pick is listed in his post. We had to trade that second round pick in after trading ours out; fair to call it part of the trade.

In any case, turning attention to the 2017 draft, these are the academy players we have available:

Tony Olango (2016/17), Marrara, Multicultural
Changkuoth Jiath (2017), Morwell, Multicultural
Bol Jok (2017), Pakenham, Multicultural
Tyrone Hayes (2017), Lakes Entrance, Indigenous

Devlin Brereton and James Langford as f/s also.

Apparently not AFL standard for a start.

 

[Leather Poisoning]

Fine to look at it that way, it just means then that:

Hawthorn Gain
- O'Meara
- 2016 pick 68

Hawthorn Gave:
- 2016 pick 23
- 2016 pick 36
- 2017 first round pick (HFC)
- 2017 second round pick (HFC)

That looks even worse for mine !!

Ignoring that pick 68 it's omeara for a first round pick 3 x second rounders.

Most discussions around the very high end players (Judd, dangerfield and now what people are throwing around in discussion on Kelly and Steven may) start with "we will need to give them 2 x first round picks or 1 x first + a player"

So as long as he becomes a very high end player it won't seem so bad.

 

[Snoref]

Don't know why people are even debating this but we overpaid for JOM during the trade period, in hindsight it looks even worse regardless how you want to spin it.

I dun mind over paying if he comes good ie. Burgers trade, but at the moment we are massively behind

 

[beta_condition]

Bit of a difference with The Mitch 1st pick (14) and this years one likely ( 2) though.

It's not that simple we don't land Omeara we don't give away Lewis and Mitchell and we finish higher on the ladder but one year behind in the rebuild. Omeara if he comes good is worth WELL MORE than pick 2, which we wouldn't be looking at anyway if we didn't land Omeara. So it's stupid to say we gave pick x(currently pick 2) for Omeara since x wouldn't be the same if we didn't land Omeara.

 

[mustang]

The way we are headed we will have 2nd pick in the preseason draft or first if Brisbane don't go in it.

 

[Mr Lizard]

[Devlin Brereton] Apparently not AFL standard for a start.

Might be worth a rookie spot, even if just for the romance of it. Who knows?

Young Langers apparently not so keen (or maybe just not that good) but perhaps he's focusing on his VCE and we're happy with that so he goes late to us. Who knows?

CJ seems like he would be a good addition to our midfield, he's got me excited.

Tony Olango a 'project' ruckman, the other two I don't know other than as names on our academy list.

There is potential to get a handful of players despite a relatively weak draft position. Going to be interesting to see how this pans out.

 

[Agent Smith]

Langers priority right now is a good VCE score, but that bodes well for us as we'll land him much cheaper than if he went all gung-ho on his footy. Not sure how much that would impede his natural development but it's not like he'll suddenly lose the natural skills he possesses.

 

[Collins-Langford-Ayres]

Ignoring that pick 68 it's omeara for a first round pick 3 x second rounders.

Most discussions around the very high end players (Judd, dangerfield and now what people are throwing around in discussion on Kelly and Steven may) start with "we will need to give them 2 x first round picks or 1 x first + a player"

So as long as he becomes a very high end player it won't seem so bad.

If you tried to get The Bont, Wines, Clayton Oliver, Shiel, etc I would have thought a top 5 pick and a 10 - 15 pick as well.

To pay off I think Jags si going to have to play 175+ games and end up for 5 - 6 years as a top 5 - 10 mid in the comp.

 

[Thaihawk]

Some late picks needed for upgrading Cousins, and of course my two Irish boys. Maybe four more under 70 for academy and f/s, and that leaves two.