List Mgmt. 2017 Draft Needs...

[Scorpus]

Kids I like with late-rookie picks other than SA lads Mitch Crowden and Stefan Giro.....Penrith & Johnston I'm very, very keen on.


Late ND - Ethan Penrith 180cm 78kg - HBF/Wing/HFF, A real favourite of mine, elites speed, great defensive pressure, tackling machine, think Charlie Cameron!!! One player I'd be ecstatic about if he landed at the Crows.

Late ND - Jordan Johnston 185cm 78kg - Medium Forward/Midfielder, X Factor Forward, Outstanding Aerialist with sticky hands, innate goal sense, long penetrating kick, played some midfield late in the season and did well in there as well. Personally I'd have no qualms taking him at pick 39 as I've seen up close what he's capable of.

Late ND - Trent Mynott 185cm - 75kg - Balanced mid, loves the hard stuff, good decision maker, good kick, could even go as high as the 3rd round, underrated IMO.

Late ND - Tom North 184cm 85kg - Late ND - Balanced midfielder, good overhead, long left foot, elite endurance, another that's a bit underrated IMO.

Late ND - Noah Answerth 184cm 79kg - mid/defender, injured his back earlier this year otherwise would have been in 2nd round contention going on 2016 form.


Rookie - Flynn Appleby 186cm 81kg - Lock down medium defender, can play on smalls or talls.

Rookie - LLoyd Meek 202cm 106kg - Ruckman, big strong lad, very good skill set for a big fella and covers the ground well, good contested mark, taps to advantage, 2nd best Ruck in the TAC behind Sam Hayes, played 3VFL games against AFL listed Ruckmen and made the bests in two of those games.

Rookie - Jordan Butts 196cm 81kg- KPD/KPF, youngest player in this draft, will need time and development but has all the tools, good overhead, very athletic, elite endurance, just needs to put on some beef, heaps and heaps of upside given his age and light build.

What are the flaws that make these players later picks rather than top-end talent?

 

[TexForPM]

Opinions.

Consistency?

 

[Scorpus]

Opinions.

Well you listed some fairly desirable characteristics for many of these players, but if they're not rated in the first round, there must be some flaws to their game that the top prospects don't have.

You mention that someone like Johnston may have a career as good as a player rated in the early 2nd round. But even if both players are 2nd round picks, surely they have some areas of their game that aren't as strong.

 

[TexForPM]

I think it's more a symptom of the group think amongst the Media draft guys myself and that they rarely look too hard at the players that don't fall into their "popular" category. I'll use Vic Country's Jordan Johnston as an example, a very, very similar player to SA's Jordan Houlahan, oodles of X factor, a supreme aerialist, sticky hands, long penetrating kick , canny goal sense. IMO more consistent with effort and harder at the contest than Houlahan yet Houlahan is considered by some to be an early 2nd round chance and Johnston 4th round - Rookie. I'd back Johnston to have an equally good AFL career as Houlahan if he's given the opportunity.

So it's down to who puts the yards into research and the media jump on popular picks?

 

[Scorpus]

Extending that you're saying if a player's drafted later than the 2nd round he can't turn out as good as someone taken in the 1st round when history shows a lot of very good players have gone later in the draft. The art is picking the right ones.

I'm not saying that at all. Players can work on their flaws and improve.

But clearly the players you listed are not #1 pick material, which means the players aren't as good as the #1 pick prospects. What is it about their game, relative to the best players, that makes them not in contention for an early pick?

I'm not sure why you're skirting the question. I'm just asking what the players flaws are, like if they are slow, bad kicks, soft, etc.

 

[Danger in Texas]

So wondered if Bicks or Danger in Texas etc could give me some feedback re who might be there worthwhile and who we might be interested in picks from 77 through to rookie picks.

Late Draft:
Aiden Domic - wasn't picked for the champs, but based off his performances this year he was very stiff not to be. Not necessarily fast for an outside mid, but he's very skilful and is a real endurance athlete. His inside game has come along this year too, tackling more and winning more contested ball, although it's still an area which really can improve. Could definitely be a player.
Callum Porter - hard at it inside mid who works all day. Standout game this year in the TAC was a 36 disposal, 8 clearance, 4 goal effort which really showed off his all-round ability to the recruiters. Could be a bit like James Cousins in that he's a handy inside mid who slips to late-rookie and could even play games in his first year.
Kyron Hayden - this is a bit of a stretch, but he'd be a great get at 77. Hard at it, bullocking midfielder who's efforts in the Champs were probably a bit underrated. Has a great vertical leap, shown by his 82cm standing and 103cm running efforts. Endurance could do with work, but he has some great footballing tools. Well-developed body, which could help his chances at a game next year.
Trent Mynott - Bicks has already spoken about him, but I also feel he's quite underrated. IMO he's a 35-45 prospect that, for some reason, doesn't get the raps he deserves. Averaged 19 disposals a game in the Champs - nothing to be sneezed at.
Angus Styles - versatile, and a classy user of the ball. Reckon he starts off half back, but could well move onto a wing in the near future. Tested well in the 2km time trial, too, so he's got the endurance. Doesn't win much contested ball though (although his tackle numbers are quite good for a player of his type). Reckon he'd be a steal

Rookie:
A bit harder to pick, but there's a few names here like Alex Boyse, Doulton Langlands, Callan England, Jye Bolton, Mitch Crowden, Dom Barry and Josh Smithson that I'd be happy to take

Also who you think might be 39 pick, and do you think like me we should get 1 KPP player or intercept defender type along with 1 quality mid.
Would it be possible to get a quality tall at 39.
Appreciate you feedback guys

My three favourites for 39 are flank types that could potentially move into the midfield - Brandon Starcevich, Will Walker and Andrew McPherson. Despite this, if Oscar Clavarino, Sam Taylor or Harry Petty (all KPD's) were to slide to 39, I'd be extremely happy to get them. I doubt they slide, though

 

[kulak]

Kids I like with late-rookie picks other than SA lads Mitch Crowden and Stefan Giro.....Penrith & Johnston I'm very, very keen on.


Late ND - Ethan Penrith 180cm 78kg - HBF/Wing/HFF, A real favourite of mine, elites speed, great defensive pressure, tackling machine, think Charlie Cameron!!! One player I'd be ecstatic about if he landed at the Crows. Edit : And better foot skills.

Late ND - Jordan Johnston 185cm 78kg - Medium Forward/Midfielder, X Factor Forward, Outstanding Aerialist with sticky hands, innate goal sense, long penetrating kick, played some midfield late in the season and did well in there as well. Personally I'd have no qualms taking him at pick 39 as I've seen up close what he's capable of.

Late ND - Trent Mynott 185cm - 75kg - Balanced mid, loves the hard stuff, good decision maker, good kick, could even go as high as the 3rd round, underrated IMO.

Late ND - Tom North 184cm 85kg - Late ND - Balanced midfielder, good overhead, long left foot, elite endurance, another that's a bit underrated IMO.

Late ND - Noah Answerth 184cm 79kg - mid/defender, injured his back earlier this year otherwise would have been in 2nd round contention going on 2016 form.


Rookie - Flynn Appleby 186cm 81kg - Lock down medium defender, can play on smalls or talls.

Rookie - LLoyd Meek 202cm 106kg - Ruckman, big strong lad, very good skill set for a big fella and covers the ground well, good contested mark, taps to advantage, 2nd best Ruck in the TAC behind Sam Hayes, played 3VFL games against AFL listed Ruckmen and made the bests in two of those games.

Rookie - Jordan Butts 196cm 81kg- KPD/KPF, youngest player in this draft, will need time and development but has all the tools, good overhead, very athletic, elite endurance, just needs to put on some beef, heaps and heaps of upside given his age and light build.

Jordan Butts would be the perfect follow up pick after our first rounder Aiden Bonar

 

[Danger in Texas]

The draft machine - and videos of all the good prospects available - are live

http://www.afl.com.au/draft/draft-machine

 

[WaynesWorld19]

This really is a poor draft

its always hard to tell, until after a couple of years .....IMO the top 10 is better than last year, and i'd be comfortable with a player in the first 2 rounds

So if it's that poor, why are we even discussing #39 & Edwards .......obviously dead set flops

 

[WaynesWorld19]

What are the flaws that make these players later picks rather than top-end talent?

This !!!

 

[craig crowing]

Hey Bicks and DIT are big thanks of feedback and been huge help to have better idea what players might be taken after first 2 picks.
Would Jordan Butts make it to pick 77 as if did would be a great pick up.
Bicks can see why like Penrith a great replacement for CC with that tackling pressure Tigers did to us and Jordan. Johnston is a nice size mid that can play forward and can kick goals as having another Lynch type up forward would be real bonus.
Still think we need to look at covering our backlines with Smith out this season likely Leaver left and Otten and Cheney on last season .
Think a ruck forward somewhere to work on as Hunter believe on last offer and not massive fan of Obrien as not a lot of upside.
Meek seems like one that worth Hamish etc to look at.
See no reason why we would rookie CEY asa again no real long or short term benefits.
Again thanks for feedback.

 

[WaynesWorld19]

One minute in the top 10 .....next minute out of the top 10 .....then a media piece and now everyone wants him in Top 10

Must be driving the Phantom "experts" bonkers

Next player to be resuscitated will be Brander

 

[dogs105]

Jordan Butts would be the perfect follow up pick after our first rounder Aiden Bonar

And his brother Seymour...

 

[Danger in Texas]

And finally some DECENT footage of players outside the Media group think/Popular kids.

That's why I was eager for the draft machine to go up, there's always some really decent footage that goes up that hasn't been seen before, including by me

Of course, these highlight videos show all the positives, but no negatives, so you can't take them as gospel

 

[FAITH]

Seriously don't understand why Balta ain't valued higher, he is Rance MK2

 

[WaynesWorld19]

I'm not saying that at all. Players can work on their flaws and improve.

But clearly the players you listed are not #1 pick material, which means the players aren't as good as the #1 pick prospects. What is it about their game, relative to the best players, that makes them not in contention for an early pick?

I'm not sure why you're skirting the question. I'm just asking what the players flaws are, like if they are slow, bad kicks, soft, etc.

From my perspective it's too simplistic to say poor kicks, soft ........18 YO boys are dramatically variable in maturity, physical development, and application to the game

Bock as an example had all the skills, but the ??? was his commitment to the game at an AFL standard versus his love of surfing

Some players are skinny & can't put on weight .....some can by it slows them down & they lose their #1 weapon

There are core attributes that all players must have ......decision making under AFL pressure, rather than the free running junior comps .....good hands, no fumbling ....and a competitive spirit

So many players are good juniors that have peaked in their development .....or they are run of the mill, with no outstanding bag of tricks

 

[WaynesWorld19]

Would be a good pickup at #39?

 

[maxlilly]

Seriously don't understand why Balta ain't valued higher, he is Rance MK2

He may be rated higher by recruiters but he has no media coverage to lift his profile.
I still reckon he is the type of player the crows would like to get.
It will be interesting to see where he falls in the draft.
I still think he could play forward also

 

[Elite Crow]

Seriously don't understand why Balta ain't valued higher, he is Rance MK2

Faith you have a habit of making these calls, not too many come to fruition

 

[FAITH]

Faith you have a habit of making these calls, not too many come to fruition

I do see the best in people, cept dmac and campo.

 

[mistylake]

Jordan Butts would be the perfect follow up pick after our first rounder Aiden Bonar

Is Jordan’s brother Seymour still playing?
He would have to be the commentary favourite.

 

[Squiba]

I'm not saying that at all. Players can work on their flaws and improve.

But clearly the players you listed are not #1 pick material, which means the players aren't as good as the #1 pick prospects. What is it about their game, relative to the best players, that makes them not in contention for an early pick?

I'm not sure why you're skirting the question. I'm just asking what the players flaws are, like if they are slow, bad kicks, soft, etc.

This is a completely legitimate question to ask, I'm not sure why you're squibbing it so hard Bicks

If Jordan Johnston doesn't have some kind of flaw to his game, he would be top 10. If you expect him to be available at 30+, obviously something is/isn't seen in him that is seen in x amount of other prospects.

 

[Squiba]

I've seen plenty of him over the last 2 years and to my eye he doesn't have any flaws that stick out to me, he's like most small/medium forwards when playing in an ordinary team which the GWV Rebels were this year....lack of decent supply , makes it harder to stand out from the crowd. Anyhow I don't give a continental what others think, I'll back my judgement based on what I've seen up close and live not off what the media draft guys say...

Go to the Draft machine and have a look for yourself and point out the flaws I'm supposed to be missing? It's about the only decent footage available because he's not one of the Media guys group think players.

http://www.afl.com.au/draft/draft-machine

So in power rankings Bicks, where do you rate him? Would you be comfortable taking him at our first?

I sure as hell would like a player with no flaws at pick 1, let alone pick 12.

 

[Crowman32]

Just looking at the draft hub highlights really like the look of balta and tim kelly.

 

[Squiba]

Did I not say a few posts ago I'd have no qualms personally taking him with our Pick 39??

If you go back to last year's thread Matthew Signorello was almost unheard of and I can't remember any of the "Media" guys even mentioning his name prior to the draft but I rated him a real value smokey on the 2 times I'd seen him play live here, Hamish and the guys obviously saw in him what I did and at least worthy of a late pick. Jordan Johnston to my eye is a good footballer and certainly possesses attributes and a skill set that translate well to the AFL.

I understand what you're saying Bicks, but I'm not sure you get what we're asking.

For example, CCJ has fallen down draft orders due to questionable kicking, uncertainty about ruck work at the next level etc etc. Yet I would still be happy to nab him at 39.

In Fogarty's case, there are question marks over his best position and endurance, yet he is till very likely a first round prospect.

What is it that has JJ potentially available at 39? Questionable transition to AFL? Endurance? Skills? Size? Potential devlopment? There has to be SOMETHING, otherwise he would be pick 1.

People aren't knocking the player or your judgement, merely asking what it is that sees him well outside of top ten calculations.

*OK I see the edit has him around 30.

That's interesting and from what you've said about him I can see why he is that high.

Maybe it is just me, but sometimes i see people get their favourites and refuse to look at the question marks surrounding them. They can still be a favourite, but it doesn't hurt to view them objectively.