Mitch would be good. Charlie even better.
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LOVE Charlie!!
Noise around McGovern is that he is likely to head home to Perth.
Also not sure where he would fit, unless GWS are going to trade one of Patton & Lobb.
Noise around Charlie was that he had some personal issues which were leading him to consider heading back to Queensland.
Ignoring that, something like Hopper for Charlie would make sense from a team need perspective.
GWS need to deliberately rookie a couple of potential pressure small forwards. Lots of those guys like Papley, Wright (Carlton), Cameron (Adelaide) come up without much fanfare.
Also not sure where he would fit, unless GWS are going to trade one of Patton & Lobb.
Noise around Charlie was that he had some personal issues which were leading him to consider heading back to Queensland.
Ignoring that, something like Hopper for Charlie would make sense from a team need perspective.
GWS need to deliberately rookie a couple of potential pressure small forwards. Lots of those guys like Papley, Wright (Carlton), Cameron (Adelaide) come up without much fanfare.
Would be so good if guys got homesick for Western Sydney... In my dreams!
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Thought you guys may get a rise out of this from the Josh Kelly thread 
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Is there some way to change the title of this thread to add something like GIANTS POSTERS ONLY so we stop having to deal with [you move] posts that should do obviously be in the other thread.
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I'd love to, but personal view is that "GWS Posters only" threads reduce interest in the board when we seriously need to grow it.
I am happy to play the janitor role until we no longer need it
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In regard to growing the board it's surprising to me how many people I run into on the main board who are GWS sigs or Sydney residents with some interest in our club, including membership in some cases I know of. Who never post hereI'd love to, but personal view is that "GWS Posters only" threads reduce interest in the board when we seriously need to grow it.
I am happy to play the janitor role until we no longer need it
I'm not sure of the answer but maybe making it clear we welcome dual citizens, for now at least, might help? Dont think it's always that clear.
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If you have a free neon sign feel free to stick it out
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I kinda mention it when it seems appropriate. Thete's this whole traitor thing that makes it hard.If you have a free neon sign feel free to stick it out
It is early for these questions but some thoughts I have had
Which of the mature OOC depth players will remain for next year?
Reid/Lloyd keep on the rookie list?
Mzungu Retire?
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Will Griff play on in 2018?
4 or 5 ruck man on the list in 2018?
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Lobb, No major injuries
Flynn, Hasn't missed many games
Simpson? Rookie list in 2018
Richards? Draft? What is his range 3/4 round or rookie?
With the ability of Patton, HH and Tomlinson to relieve ruck and also some teams having stronger mids ruck would you rather have someone like Simpson as a break in emergency or a depth player like MDB?
Which of the mature OOC depth players will remain for next year?
Reid/Lloyd keep on the rookie list?
Mzungu Retire?
MDB
Will Griff play on in 2018?
4 or 5 ruck man on the list in 2018?
Mumford
Lobb, No major injuries
Flynn, Hasn't missed many games
Simpson? Rookie list in 2018
Richards? Draft? What is his range 3/4 round or rookie?
With the ability of Patton, HH and Tomlinson to relieve ruck and also some teams having stronger mids ruck would you rather have someone like Simpson as a break in emergency or a depth player like MDB?
So with no news on the contracts is it the feeling here that it is Kelly v Smith/Hopper?
Also Bam Bam and HH still to announce so also interested in peoples thoughts on them?
I see Bam Bam next year making a big step if he has a good pre season and why he was taken so early in the draft so i would like to see the club keep him
HH is a Luxury and with the talls at both ends settled he may feel he has better opportunities elsewhere
Also Bam Bam and HH still to announce so also interested in peoples thoughts on them?
I see Bam Bam next year making a big step if he has a good pre season and why he was taken so early in the draft so i would like to see the club keep him
HH is a Luxury and with the talls at both ends settled he may feel he has better opportunities elsewhere
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I suspect you're right about other players stalled until Kelly is resolved. Devon hinted at this in an interview, on Fox.
I think Bam Bam been doing some good work inside at the stoppages, and around the ground, recently. Not that noticeable in his defensive work and throwing a hard body around the contest.
I do think Himmelburg's done really well and we need to keep him. If this year hasn't proven the need for depth, and his flexibility is ideal, nothing will.
I could easily see him coming out if the next off season best 22 and playing the whole year anyway.
I think Footy Classified talked about the elephant in the room that we all suspect which is the Josh Kelly contract saga is unsettling the group.
A bunch of other guys cannot have their future settled until he makes a choice and as his management are deliberately waiting as long as they can it is causing cracks in the group.
We know this is happening, blind Freddy can see they are playing selfish me me me footy right now.
I think it's time to put a deadline in front of Kelly and if he can't commit then sign the ones we want. He is a professional kid and will do his best but the distraction is clearly hurting his game and the team.
If this hasn't already it has the potential to ruin our season.
I see it 2 ways, the club wants to get back into the first round so somebody of decent value will be up for grabs but at the same time they want to retain the cream of the crop so are playing along for now. There is certainly the potential for it to backfire and we lose a bunch of players who all get fed up of waiting. But the media driving this angle is pretty unfair, in terms of out of contract players we would have less than most other clubs. Kennedy and Himelberg confuse me, these 2 should be small contracts so to suggest Kelly is causing the hold up there just doesnt make sense to me. If they were to go they would be replaced by draftees on not much less money.
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I disagree with the cause and effect there. Not that they aren't playing selfish footy, but that it's coming from the Kelly contract issue.
The three players who are directly affected by the Kelly contract who are currently playing are Kelly, Smith and Matt Kennedy. Hopper is injured and HH is coming back from an injury.
Bam Bam plays hot and cold (sorry Determinant), and yes, while I would say that it would be unsettling for him I find it hard to see his personal predicament being that big a contribution.
My thoughts are that the expectations on our guys (both from themselves and the media), combined with the lack of settled structure in the mids and forwards are urging them to back themselves first; their teammates next. For all Stevie J brings to the game, he is too slow and he's too quick to then try to pull off the unbelievable which he thinks he can still do. And he can, when the moon is in the seventh house and Jupiter aligns with Mars. If your forwards player coach is doing that, what else would you expect someone to do.
I'm surprised about Bam Bam, but wouldn't be surprised if HH is going elsewhere for more opportunities.
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Matt was pretty relaxed about his contract, "the deal will get done" from memory.
Definitely running hot and cold, but that's just him being a young guy who has yet to play 20 games, by the time he hits 50 he will be a world beater (imho)
Dev said the hold up on his contract wasn't related to the Kelly one. More that his manager was overseas on his honeymoon. Expected it to get sorted soon after his return.
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Road to the Draft: What's the latest with Josh Kelly? - http://www.afl.com.au/draft/road-to-the-draft
Interesting radio interview with Adrian Caruso.
Interesting radio interview with Adrian Caruso.
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Interesting interview. Good to see nobody has rated any of our academy kids as "top end talent" that means we only need to match bid on them between picks 10 and 15
That doesn't work in AFL, the players have most of the power and they know it. In NRL it is probably more even.
The good thing is that none of them can completely force the issue but they really can determine what we do.
Once they declare a club you are more or less rooted and have to work in with that club.
If Kelly goes I'd personally like us to keep Kennedy and Himmelberg. Kennedy is still quite maligned as he makes mistakes but his effort is always very good and I think he's a good clubman and citizen. Himmelberg has a lot of talent and is very versatile.
We just have to be patient, it will sort itself out.
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