Game Day 2017 National Draft

[MyManLynch]

The suspension was only 2 years and he was a senior before that? And what about Cox?

Because if there's another Langdon situation you want that flexibility to jump on someone that Hine rates and has slipped

Thomas suspended 2 years 2015 & 2016.
Back playing 2017 on rookie list (upgraded during season).
2 + 1 = 3 y

 

[THATSGOLD]

Ed Richards. It would be a travesty is he went to any club other than Collingwood.

 

[DraftBalta]

Thomas suspended 2 years 2015 & 2016.
Back playing 2017 on rookie list (upgraded during season).
2 + 1 = 3 y

Barrackers has given me hope with Thomas on the senior list 2015... I can go after that little runt Daniels now

 

[barrackers]

Ed Richards. It would be a travesty is he went to any club other than Collingwood.

Unfortunately we don't have a pick in his expected range. Pity there's not a grandfather/grandson rule

 

[THATSGOLD]

Unfortunately we don't have a pick in his expected range. Pity there's not a grandfather/grandson rule

Maybe Collingwood plan on taking him at 6. To be honest I know nothing about him but it says he’s a half back and with the delisting of Ramsay could it be coming?

 

[DraftBalta]

Maybe Collingwood plan on taking him at 6. To be honest I know nothing about him but it says he’s a half back and with the delisting of Ramsay could it be coming?

No there are quite a few including Coffield before him, we needed our 2nd round pick... I hope we didn't give that away for an underperforming trade

 

[MyManLynch]

Barrackers has given me hope with Thomas on the senior list 2015... I can go after that little runt Daniels now

Yep...2016 & 2017 on rookie list...
So it’s 3 or 4 list places subject to Thomas upgrade or not.

 

[barrackers]

Maybe Collingwood plan on taking him at 6. To be honest I know nothing about him but it says he’s a half back and with the delisting of Ramsay could it be coming?

Hopefully not another Rioli type situation where Essendon held a pick most experts considered too early for him. Essendon ultimately selected Myers at 6 while Rioli went to Hawthorn at 12. In hindsight Dangerfield is the one Essendon should have taken though.

 

[DraftBalta]

Sen

Maynard Moore Goldsack
Langdon Howe Scharenberg

Grundy Pendlebury Treloar
DeGoey Sidebottom Adams

Hoskin Reid Wells
Fasolo Cox Elliott

Wills Crisp Phillips

Res

Murray Dunn Smith
Varcoe McClarty Aish

Lynch* Broomhead Thomas*
T Brown Greenwood C Brown

Sier Crocker Daicos
Blair Mayne Kirby


Off: Sinclair Ramsay Oxley White Keeffe Schade McCarthy Mackie

On: Murray 6 38 56 T Brown Rookie* Oxley*


* = Rookie

 

[barrackers]

*Some big names dropping



Cal Twomey's Phantom form guide: October edition

AFL.com.au has ranked the best 25 players in the draft pool, not taking into account where they might actually get drafted or where bids may come for father-son or academy prospects. It is not a mock draft.

POS: Half-forward/midfielder, Ht 187cm, Wt 88kg, DOB 21/10/1999
From Western Jets/Vic Metro
September ranking: 1

Rayner did not test at the NAB AFL Draft Combine due to a nagging knee injury that bugged him a little towards the end of the season. However, his best work had well and truly been done by then, proving to recruiters his unparalleled ability in this year's draft pool to impact a game. After blitzing the under-18 carnival with Vic Metro, he went back to school and TAC Cup level and played some imposing footy. Rayner knows he will need to improve his endurance before being a full-time midfielder, but you know what? That aside, he's a very good half-forward who can win a game for his side. And that's a rare quality.

POS: Midfielder, Ht 187cm, Wt 85kg, DOB 8/6/1999
From Dandenong Stingrays/Vic Country
September ranking: 2

The most complete midfielder in the pool enjoyed a very strong finals series for the Dandenong Stingrays, including a best afield display in their come-from-behind elimination final against the Eastern Ranges when Davies-Uniacke dragged his side over the line. Tall, strong, powerful and able to get the ball going his side's way, Davies-Uniacke is hard to stop when up and going. A toe complaint, plus a corkie, kept him from testing at the Combine. Can be a little rushed by foot occasionally but it's a small knock on an overall impressive package.

POS: Midfielder, Ht 184cm, Wt 78kg, DOB 16/10/1999
From Bendigo Pioneers/Vic Country
September ranking: 4

It's easy to like what Dow brings to the table as a prospect. He's competitive and you can count on him to deliver in big moments. He's quick and can get himself out of trouble. He kicks goals and did it regularly from the midfield this season. And he's consistent. It's hard to think of a game where Dow wasn't one of his side's better players this year, which saw him rise to the top group of prospects available to clubs. Unfortunately, shoulder surgery late in the year ended his season a little early, but by then he had done enough to show what he's about.

POS: Midfielder, Ht 186cm, Wt 85kg, DOB 7/10/1999
From Eastern Ranges/Vic Metro
September ranking: 3

Cerra brings real poise and class to the draft pool. He's also a very tough midfielder, who doesn't shy away from big hits in order to win the footy and get it going for his team. He can be trusted with the ball to set up the play, and averaged 26 disposals a game this year for the Eastern Ranges. Although he is already rated highly, it would be interesting to see where he fitted in if had a clean run at things over the past two years (a knee injury ruined his 2016 campaign before a shoulder reconstruction prematurely ended this season). A cool head under pressure.

POS: Half-forward, Ht 189cm, Wt 76kg, DOB 15/1/1999
From Eastern Ranges/Vic Metro
September ranking: 5

Stephenson highlighted his pace at the Combine, running 2.95 seconds in the 20-metre sprint. Anyone who has seen him play would have known that, though. However, it was his very good endurance results – level 21.8 in the Yo-Yo test and a 6:21 minute 2km time trial – which probably meant more. Stephenson was one of the best performed players in the second half of the season, successfully moving into the midfield after starting the year in his more customary forward role. He finished the season averaging 23 disposals in 15 games for the Ranges, and is an exciting player who can thrill.

POS: Midfielder, Ht 183cm, Wt 80kg, DOB 8/11/1999
From Sandringham Dragons/Vic Metro
September ranking: 11

Brayshaw capped his brilliant end to the season by being the star of the Combine earlier this month, winning the inaugural Yo-Yo endurance test, finishing fourth in the 2km time trial and in the top-10 for agility. He also was among the best prospects in the goalkicking test, highlighting his mix of athleticism and footy nous. Brayshaw is one of the most rounded midfielders available and perhaps the best user of the ball by foot in the top bunch. He's neat, tidy, tough, competitive, attacking and determined. You can see why clubs are keen on him.

POS: Half-forward/midfielder, Ht 192cm, Wt 92kg, DOB 25/9/1999
From Glenelg/South Australia
September ranking: 7

Fogarty's season was ended early after knee surgery, but the powerful and strong-bodied South Australian was back running at the Combine so isn't too far away from a return to full training. Fogarty has played his best footy as a marking forward who can push, bump or bulldoze past opponents to make the ball his. He has sticky hands on the lead and is a long and penetrating right-foot kick. Fogarty didn't have the sort of influence he would have liked throughout this season, but remains a top-end talent.

POS: Small forward/midfielder, Ht 178cm, Wt 76kg, DOB 19/3/1999
From Oakleigh Chargers/Vic Metro
September ranking: 8

It was no surprise that Higgins was one of the top performers (scoring 29 points out of 30) in the kicking test at this month's draft Combine. The small forward/midfielder's skills are one of his most appealing selling points – he is deft in short passes, damaging over longer kicks and deadly around goal. He kicked 32 majors from 14 games for the Oakleigh Chargers on his way to winning the Morrish Medal this season as the best player in the TAC Cup. Higgins is ready to play in the AFL and he will next year, such is his consistency and all-round craft up forward.

POS: Half-back/midfielder, Ht 186cm, Wt 79kg, DOB 26/3/1999
From Dandenong Stingrays/Vic Country
September ranking: 13

Because he has been seen as one of the top prospects in this year's group for a couple of years, Clark's season has been a little underrated. But his performances in the second half of the year, in particular, should not go unnoticed. He transitioned from playing as a half-back to a tough, strong willed midfielder who can get the ball out and dominate games. He completed his TAC Cup season averaging 27 disposals (half contested), six inside-50s and six clearances. He can use the ball well on both feet and is very courageous. Teammates are fond of Clark because of the way he attacks the game.

POS: Midfielder/half-back, Ht 190cm, Wt 83kg, DOB 23/10/1999
From Northern Knights/Vic Metro
September ranking: 9

Coffield proved his extreme leg speed by running 2.91 seconds in the 20-metre sprint at the Combine, and it's a real quality that he has and can use more in games to offer run and drive from half-back. At this stage that's where he's best placed, as a general defender capable of stopping talls and smalls and also giving some rebound. He's also shown some qualities through the midfield and is dangerous when he goes forward as well, kicking 13 goals in 16 games for the Knights this year.

POS: Key defender/key forward, Ht 194cm, Wt 89kg, DOB 11/2/1999
From Bendigo Pioneers/Allies
September ranking: 6

Brander is one of the leading key position players available this season, and has shown genuine promise at both ends of the ground. As a key defender, he can intercept mark and rebound with his long right-foot kicking, and when on song his work as a forward is also strong, leading at the ball and having a good natural goal sense. At his size, he is a legitimate key position option, and one of the few towards the top end of the draft in a pool dominated by midfielders and smaller types.

POS: Key defender, Ht 194cm, Wt 84kg, DOB 30/11/1999
From Peel Thunder/Western Australia
September ranking: 14

Naughton's rise up the ranks can be traced back to his Under-18 Championships for Western Australia, when he was named an All Australian defender. He took confidence out of that and went on to play at senior level for Peel Thunder, Fremantle's WAFL affiliate, where he averaged seven marks in seven games. Naughton's elite athleticism was on show at the Combine – he placed in the top six for the agility run (8.22 seconds) and finished fifth in the Yo-Yo (level 21.8) – and he matches that with good awareness in the air to take important defensive marks. His kicking is the main knock and will continue to be developed.

POS: Midfielder, Ht 183cm, Wt 73kg, DOB 15/1/1999
From Northern Knights/Vic Metro
September ranking: 12

Naish looks likely to become a Tiger next month as the leading father-son pick in this year's draft. His dad Chris played 143 games with the club as a small goalkicker, and it's clear his smarts around the big sticks has carried on in Naish, who loves a goal when he floats forward from the midfield/wing. Naish is lightly bodied and an outside player at this stage, but he uses the ball well and breaks the lines with his kicking, running and dashing nature. It's a rare trait in this year's pool.

POS: Ruckman/key forward, Ht 203cm, Wt 93kg, DOB 9/6/1999
From Eastern Ranges/Vic Metro
September ranking: 10

The best ruckman in the draft also showed good signs as a forward at stages this season, including kicking six goals in a game for the Ranges. That's a bonus rather than a necessity, because Hayes' best work still comes as a ruckman and roaming player, where he's capable of finding the ball regularly. He averaged 15 disposals at TAC Cup level this season and some scouts see him as one of the most talented rucks to come through the pool in recent years. Having finished right near the bottom in the endurance tests at the Combine (the Yo-Yo and 2km time trial) Hayes will need to improve his aerobic base.

POS: Midfielder, Ht 190cm, Wt 83kg, DOB 23/10/1999
From Sandringham Dragons/Vic Metro
September ranking: 15

Clubs are looking for tall midfielders who can win the footy and Constable ticks both of those boxes. He averaged 26 disposals at the mid-year under-18 carnival for Vic Metro, and is capable of finding the ball in amongst a pack and shipping it off to teammates. Constable overcame injury to play in the Dragons' TAC Cup Grand Final – and he performed well with 23 disposals and two goals – but sat out testing at the Combine a couple of weeks later after a long year.

POS: Midfielder, Ht 184cm, Wt 75kg, DOB 18/9/1999
From Bendigo Pioneers/Vic Country
September ranking: 16

If anyone needed any reminding of O'Brien's running power, he put it on display on the final morning of the Combine. O'Brien ran the 2km time trial in 6:12 minutes, seeing him finish second overall and in elite company near the six-minute mark. O'Brien finished his season strongly with 21 disposals and a goal in the NAB All Stars clash on Grand Final morning, and it was good to see his running, attacking style combine with his dangerous left-foot kicking.

POS: Medium defender, Ht 184cm, Wt 77kg, DOB 3/7/1999
From Oakleigh Chargers
September ranking: 17
Richards' piercing left foot, real pace, toughness and composure makes him an appealing choice for clubs who are looking for a rebounding defender. The Oakleigh Chargers prospect didn't play in the national carnival, but stormed up the draft board with his finish to the season at school level and in the TAC Cup. He's a crafty user of the ball, and can be trusted to set up the play from the half-back flank. His kicking efficiency of 75 per cent illustrates his neat use, and he also slipped forward to kick a crafty checkside goal in the NAB All Stars game in the Grand Final curtain-raiser.

POS: Key forward, Ht 191cm, Wt 83kg, DOB 19/3/1999
From West Perth/Western Australia
September ranking: 18

Allen was rewarded for his consistent form throughout the Under-18 Championships when he was named the Larke medallist. He is a leading forward who can mark the ball running at it, or coming in from the side and into a pack. He's also a straight kick generally, and someone who converts his chances when he gets them. In the All Stars game he showed his long reach for the ball and competitive instincts, when he kicked two goals from 18 disposals and seven marks in a losing side.

POS: Forward, Ht 190cm, Wt 89kg, DOB 8/3/99
From Dandenong Stingrays
September ranking: None

Two knee reconstructions in the past couple of years means we haven't seen as much of Bonar as others, but there is no doubting his raw talent and skills. Bonar is a powerful and athletic forward who in time may also play in the midfield, where some see him being a big and strong inside prospect. Bonar's speed and leap came to the fore at the NAB AFL Draft Combine, when he came equal second in the 20-metre sprint (2.90 seconds), top-10 in the agility (8.30 seconds) and also equaled the all-time record in the standing vertical jump (89cm). He found 20 disposals and kicked a goal in the All Stars game, and showed real dash.

POS: Key forward, Ht 199cm, Wt 95kg, DOB 29/3/1999
From Brisbane Lions academy/Allies
September ranking: 20

The Brisbane Lions academy prospect didn't have a great year but remains one of a small group of genuine tall prospects who could feature in the top-25 on draft night. He was tried all over the ground this year to find some form – as a deep forward, key back and also in the ruck. He is one of the best kicks for a player his size to come through the draft in recent years and doesn't waste his shots for goal when playing in that role. It will be interesting to see where a bid comes for him on draft night.


21: Matthew Ling

POS: Medium defender, Ht 182cm, Wt 74kg, DOB 21/4/1999
From Geelong Falcons/Vic Country
September ranking: 21

The speedy half-back was a key member of the Geelong Falcons' premiership side in the TAC Cup, with his run and carry from defence helping to set up the play. Ling is a really nice kick on his preferred left side, and is able to step out of trouble and into space when he gets some steam up. He tested well at the Combine for agility, with his 8.30-second time putting him in the top-10 performers.


22: Nathan Murphy

POS: Forward, Ht 188cm, Wt 83kg, DOB 15/12/99
From Brighton Grammar/Sandringham Dragons
September ranking: 22

After a promising junior cricket career, which has seen him selected in underage Victorian sides, Murphy has turned his attention to footy. He is a versatile player who can be used off half-back and across half-forward, having kicked plenty of goals at school level with Brighton Grammar before getting into the Dragons' TAC Cup side. Is a natural player with a good ability to read the game.


23: Noah Balta

POS: Key defender, Ht 194cm, Wt 92kg, DOB 23/10/1999
From Calder Cannons/Vic Metro
September ranking: 19

It was no surprise that Balta was one of the standout performers in the jumping tests at the Combine, with the Calder Cannon finishing in the top 10 in both the standing vertical (74cm) and the running vertical (89cm). It's obvious in the way he plays: he leaps at the ball, contests everything he can and is a good mark. He has also played in the ruck at times this year. His best position is as a key defender, where he can run straight at the ball, be given a job and send the ball 60 metres back down his team's way with his long kick.


24: Lachlan Fogarty

POS: Midfielder, Ht 179cm, Wt 75kg, DOB 1/4/1999
From Western Jets/Vic Metro
September ranking: 23

It was a shame for Fogarty that illness ruled him out of attending the Combine, but it won't hinder his draft hopes after he pieced together a consistent season. Fogarty is a smaller midfielder who has good hands in close and is also a reliable user of the ball by foot. He can provide some inside grunt but also some overlap run, and likes to get on the end of a goal.


25: Zac Bailey

POS: Midfielder, Ht 180cm, Wt 68kg, DOB 23/9/99
From Norwood/NT Thunder/NT
September ranking: None

The hard-at-it and dogged midfielder has had a strong and consistent season, going back to the under-18 academy series playing for the Northern Territory right into his championships for the Allies where he won All Australian honours. Bailey has a good mix of inside ball-winning traits with a genuine turn of speed to get out of the contest and blitz away (he ran the 20 metres in 2.98 seconds at the Combine).

http://www.afl.com.au/news/2017-10-30/cal-twomeys-phantom-form-guide-october-edition

Highlights the risk of trading out next years second under the guise of not needing it due to potential bids

No there are quite a few including Coffield before him, we needed our 2nd round pick... I hope we didn't give that away for an underperforming trade

We spent this years second on Hoskin-Elliott. Assumedly either GWS didn't want last years, so we bent to their wants or we were saving it in case of an earlier bid on Callum Brown.

 

[DraftBalta]

Highlights the risk of trading out next years second under the guise of not needing it due to potential bids


We spent this years second on Hoskin-Elliott. Assumedly either GWS didn't want last years, so we bent to their wants or we were saving it in case of an earlier bid on Callum Brown.

With Sinkers and Ramsay gone it's a good risk, we don't look like a modern team with no speed out of defence

 

[THATSGOLD]

No there are quite a few including Coffield before him, we needed our 2nd round pick... I hope we didn't give that away for an underperforming trade

We’ve been known to draft players not in phantom draft order. Pendlebury was out of phantom drafts top 20 and Sier wasn’t in any.

 

[DraftBalta]

We’ve been known to draft players not in phantom draft order. Pendlebury was out of phantom drafts top 20 and Sier wasn’t in any.

Those in the know say it will be Bonar if we pull a surprise, and considering our history of sexually ambiguous names I don't doubt it for a second

 

[barrackers]

With Sinkers and Ramsay gone it's a good risk, we don't look like a modern team with no speed out of defence

Murray's certainly a list fit however I would have much preferred us to trade out a straight third round pick. Similarly last year I would have much preferred us to trade in a straight second round pick instead of chump change for Witts.

Personally think we've been a little too focused/worried on points/potential bids instead of maximising our draft hand. While two thirds may hold equivalent points to a pick in the 20s and the Murray trade may balance out to the equivalent of a pick in the 40s either deal is far from equal in terms of draft position.

 

[DraftBalta]

Murray's certainly a list fit however I would have much preferred us to trade out a straight third round pick. Similarly last year I would have much preferred us to trade in a straight second round pick instead of chump change for Witts.

Personally think we've been a little too focused/worried on points/potential bids instead of maximising our draft hand. While two thirds may hold equivalent points to a pick in the 20s and the Murray trade may balance out to the equivalent of a pick in the 40s either deal is far from equal in terms of draft position.

A couple of so called experts have said we wouldn't have got a player of his quality at mid 40's pick so I'm happy to back the club on this one

 

[THATSGOLD]

A couple of so called experts have said we wouldn't have got a player of his quality at mid 40's pick so I'm happy to back the club on this one

Next years draft is meant to be good though?

 

[barrackers]

A couple of so called experts have said we wouldn't have got a player of his quality at mid 40's pick so I'm happy to back the club on this one

Those so called experts were talking about pick 40 in this years draft whereas we traded out a likely pick in the 20s in the stronger 2018 draft, so I don't have a lot of faith in their assessment.

 

[THATSGOLD]

Sen

Maynard Moore Goldsack
Langdon Howe Scharenberg

Grundy Pendlebury Treloar
DeGoey Sidebottom Adams

Hoskin Reid Wells
Fasolo Cox Elliott

Wills Crisp Phillips

Res

Murray Dunn Smith
Varcoe McClarty Aish

Lynch* Broomhead Thomas*
T Brown Greenwood C Brown

Sier Crocker Daicos
Blair Mayne Kirby


Off: Sinclair Ramsay Oxley White Keeffe Schade McCarthy Mackie

On: Murray 6 38 56 T Brown Rookie* Oxley*


* = Rookie

Rookie Ramsay. Pay Oxley out and piss him off. Spud.

 

[DraftBalta]

Those so called experts were talking about pick 40 in this years draft whereas we traded out a likely pick in the 20s in the stronger 2018 draft, so I don't have a lot of faith in their assessment.

Every draft year is a dud and the next one is a superdraft and their reasoning makes sense if they really are blowing it on AC/FS kids

 

[THATSGOLD]

Those so called experts were talking about pick 40 in this years draft whereas we traded out a likely pick in the 20s in the stronger 2018 draft, so I don't have a lot of faith in their assessment.

If were to finish bottom 4 it will be even worse. If Sydney finish top 4 we’ve been shafted again.

 

[DraftBalta]

If were to finish bottom 4 it will be even worse. If Sydney finish top 4 we’ve been shafted again.

I reckon their window is closing fast, their best players are the wrong side of 30 and we just got a dream draw

 

[THATSGOLD]

I reckon their window is closing fast, their best players are the wrong side of 30 and we just got a dream draw

I don’t see Sydney dropping away next year. Kennedy Heeney Parker Hanners Jack Buddy Mills. A blend of youth and age doesn’t strike me of a team that will go away. Similar to Geelong always there abouts.

 

[Hardas]

Those so called experts were talking about pick 40 in this years draft whereas we traded out a likely pick in the 20s in the stronger 2018 draft, so I don't have a lot of faith in their assessment.

Their argument was hypothetical, at best.

 

[sr36]

They could keep Thomas back and elevate him at the start of the year which would give us four National picks (6, 38, 56 and Tyler Brown at 61) plus 2 rookies (one will be Oxley) to go with Lynch and Thomas

With rule changes to rookies, we don't need to elevate him to play him. All rookies can play seniors. Can't see why we'd elevate him.

 

[DraftBalta]

I don’t see Sydney dropping away next year. Kennedy Heeney Parker Hanners Jack Buddy Mills. A blend of youth and age doesn’t strike me of a team that will go away. Similar to Geelong always there abouts.

But just like Geelong slipping into that good, but never quite good enough category, both will fall off the cliff one day