2017 Non Crows AFL Discussion Thread part 2

[GreyCrow]

same here, when I used to live in Melbourne and had VIC-based AFC membership, it was so easy to catch the train out to Geelong and make a (generally depressing) day of it.
having said that, moving it to the G would mean greater access for normal VIC-based AFC supporters (non-members), you'd expect an upswing in the thousands for sure, not to mention the city-based Geelong fans that would get the extra opportunity also. another win/win IMO.

I had thought of going next weekend and now wont bother as ticket access is poor. I will be going to an MCG match this year ( and maybe another )

 

[subaru]

But him and Tredrea also said Jenkins was made to be the fall guy for the failures of the midfield. So which is it?

He runs with the foxes and hunts with the hounds.

The number of times he is just plain wrong outnumber ten fold the odd occasion he's right.

I don't agree with long term contracts but cop this list management nightmare heading Ports direction


"Despite having an unprecedented 25 players out-of-contract at season’s end it has cost them nothing in performance with players like Ebert having career years."

 

[Mike Smyth]

He runs with the foxes and hunts with the hounds.

The number of times he is just plain wrong outnumber ten fold the odd occasion he's right.

I don't agree with long term contracts but cop this list management nightmare heading Ports direction


"Despite having an unprecedented 25 players out-of-contract at season’s end it has cost them nothing in performance with players like Ebert having career years."

What does that even mean?
When you have a multitude of players coming out of contract don't you want average players to have really average years?

 

[Punchy Bassett]

Can someone ask Kane where Lobbe is?

 

[MRB37]

It's fair enough to say "don't give 5 year deals", but that's ignoring the reality of sports where there will usually always be some team desperate enough to give a long term contract to get someone.

I mean, we had someone say Hartigan received a 4 year offer from a team and he's not even a star of the game. If you go into your list management with a "no deals longer than 3 years" platform you're probably gonna lose more players than you sign.

 

[Mike Smyth]

5 year deals will be the norm for required players. All clubs will get burnt at some stage.

 

[Drugs Are Bad Mackay?]

5 year deals will be the norm for required players. All clubs will get burnt at some stage.

I wonder if clubs are more inclined at the moment to agree to longer term deals than previously because they believe that shortly they will have the ability to trade contracted players as they want?

 

[subaru]

I wonder if clubs are more inclined at the moment to agree to longer term deals than previously because they believe that shortly they will have the ability to trade contracted players as they want?

The idea is not to give 5 year deals to "untradeable" players like Hartlett and Lobbe !

 

[footy4ever]

It's fair enough to say "don't give 5 year deals", but that's ignoring the reality of sports where there will usually always be some team desperate enough to give a long term contract to get someone.

I mean, we had someone say Hartigan received a 4 year offer from a team and he's not even a star of the game. If you go into your list management with a "no deals longer than 3 years" platform you're probably gonna lose more players than you sign.

Can you imagine this board if Crows didn't secure Jenkins after two great goal-scoring years? Those saying 'I told you so, should trade, shouldn't have signed him...' have pre-ejaculated again.

 

[subaru]

What does that even mean?
When you have a multitude of players coming out of contract don't you want average players to have really average years?

Who'd know.
He is as bad at writing as he was at firemanning.

Am tempted to start a
Trengove /Pittard/ Ebert etc etc
signature watch thread !!!!

 

[subaru]

Can you imagine this board if Crows didn't secure Jenkins after two great goal-scoring years? Those saying 'I told you so, should trade, shouldn't have signed him...' have pre-ejaculated again.

Signing Jenkins was the right thing to do.
Signing players to long term deals has always been fraught with danger - but he's not said a word about the Franklin and Tippett deals.

His bias is only surpassed by his twisted bitterness.

 

[footy4ever]

Am tempted to start a
Trengove /Pittard/ Ebert etc etc
signature watch thread !!!!

Wouldn't bother, there's not much danger of them being head-hunted.

 

[Mike Smyth]

Can you imagine this board if Crows didn't secure Jenkins after two great goal-scoring years? Those saying 'I told you so, should traders , shouldn't have signed him...' have pre-ejaculated again.

This is a good point. I remember sanders as being the lone wolf.

 

[jo172]

Can you imagine this board if Crows didn't secure Jenkins after two great goal-scoring years? Those saying 'I told you so, should trade, shouldn't have signed him...' have pre-ejaculated again.

So much this. The Club is so damned if you do, damned if you don't.

He leaves and the calls of "feeder club" and "cultural problem" get screamed ever the louder.

 

[Drugs Are Bad Mackay?]

So much this. The Club is so damned if you do, damned if you don't.

He leaves and the calls of "feeder club" and "cultural problem" get screamed ever the louder.

Always depends what comes back

Stenglein leaves (bad) but it helps us land Scott Thompson (good). Zero criticism.

Gunston leaves (bad) and it helps us land a bag of peanuts (bad). Much criticism.

 

[Niximus]

So much this. The Club is so damned if you do, damned if you don't.

He leaves and the calls of "feeder club" and "cultural problem" get screamed ever the louder.

It's the same with any decision the club makes.

Don't give up our first 2016-2017 for Gibbs and we're conservative, stupid, not willing to take risks to win the flag.

Give up those picks and we're soft negotiators, always losing at the trade table.

Not all from the same people, but there would be some overlap in that Venn diagram.

 

[subaru]

Wouldn't bother, there's not much danger of them being head-hunted.

Are any of them???

He's not backwards at throwing these guys under the bus :

"Despite this and as good a servant as Trengove has been, the maximum length of contract Port should offer him is three years......

, Port need to be wary of locking up too much money in the likes of Trengove......

Pittard will attract significant interest from Victorian clubs, who will offer him enticing deals to tempt him home but the Power must be prepared to hold their ground and lose him if the price is too high.

At 26, he’s had issues with his durability recording only 103 AFL matches since 2011. Traditionally this doesn’t improve with age."

But hey - lock in Ebert and Hombsch.

 

[Niximus]

Always depends what comes back

Stenglein leaves (bad) but it helps us land Scott Thompson (good). Zero criticism.

Gunston leaves (bad) and it helps us land a bag of peanuts (bad). Much criticism.

Bernie Vince leaves and lands us Matt Crouch?

 

[Rotayjay]

There's that particular species of anxiety about one of your favourite players possibly leaving, and that particular species of disappointment when a player you don't rate re-signs, i.e. Mackay

 

[Drugs Are Bad Mackay?]

Bernie Vince leaves and lands us Matt Crouch?

Perfect example

Good result for club

Much, much less criticism of this situation than Tippett, Gunston, Dangerfield.

And any criticism is usually directed at Trigg for putting us in the situation that we had to trade for picks

 

[arrowman]

He runs with the foxes and hunts with the hounds.

The number of times he is just plain wrong outnumber ten fold the odd occasion he's right.

I don't agree with long term contracts but cop this list management nightmare heading Ports direction


"Despite having an unprecedented 25 players out-of-contract at season’s end it has cost them nothing in performance with players like Ebert having career years."

25 players coming out of contract.
Twenty. Five.

Players having 'career years' just makes that worse, not better.

 

[jo172]

http://www.adelaidenow.com.au/messe...e/news-story/37da2ed87f5917ff653b0b9c0bdd6885

Pretty cool for Kyle Chalmers

 

[Niximus]

Perfect example

Good result for club

Much, much less criticism of this situation than Tippett, Gunston, Dangerfield.

And any criticism is usually directed at Trigg for putting us in the situation that we had to trade for picks

There was a ton of criticism. It didn't reach the levels of the others, but it was hardly people going "oh well, win-win".

 

[Coopers]

There was a ton of criticism. It didn't reach the levels of the others, but it was hardly people going "oh well, win-win".

Yeah, but we didn't yet have the benefit of hindsight.

I'm still salty about the other trades and have mellowed on this one.

 

[subaru]

25 players coming out of contract.
Twenty. Five.

Players having 'career years' just makes that worse, not better.

Yes
Twenty

Five

But ...
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