2017 trade/draft thread

[paran]

So because an 18 > 19 year old Rotham doesn't come in after one preseason and cement himself in as an AFL winger its 'not to be?'

Unless you are a freak athlete it will take several preseasons for a kid to develop the endurance to play as a winger. I wouldn't give up on him just yet unless they discovered some reason he can't put the km in his legs and do the work required.

He's playing a very defensive role at East Perth - his strengths are run and kicking for his size. So yeah, totally makes sense... He just doesn;t have the required strength to do that at the seniors level, we are just setting him up to fail.

 

[Evil Eagle]

So because an 18 > 19 year old Rotham doesn't come in after one preseason and cement himself in as an AFL winger its 'not to be?'

Unless you are a freak athlete it will take several preseasons for a kid to develop the endurance to play as a winger. I wouldn't give up on him just yet unless they discovered some reason he can't put the km in his legs and do the work required.

I think Monocle was highlighting an example of poor development at East Perth.

I also thought Rotham should have played wing from day one. Because he is tall, quick and a good kick.

Rotham will never be a tall defender at AFL level because he lacks strength and physicality and he isn't great one on one. It doesn't make sence to play him as a second/third tall in the WAFL because he doesn't project to play that position.

 

[Eaglespur]

He's playing a very defensive role at East Perth - his strengths are run and kicking for his size. So yeah, totally makes sense... He just doesn;t have the required strength to do that at the seniors level, we are just setting him up to fail.

I think Monocle was highlighting an example of poor development at East Perth.

I also thought Rotham should have played wing from day one. Because he is tall, quick and a good kick.

Rotham will never be a tall defender at AFL level because he lacks strength and physicality and he isn't great one on one. It doesn't make sence to play him as a second/third tall in the WAFL because he doesn't project to play that position.

That's ****ed. why aren't we developing him properly

 

[Elite Pete]

Suns asking for Duncan for Ablett. They are saying his name was raisied last year. Let's hope Mitch has heard about this and if we can turn Gaff inti Duncan I would be very happy

 

[Carbine Chaos]

Suns asking for Duncan for Ablett.

Dreamin'

 

[Monocle]

So because an 18 > 19 year old Rotham doesn't come in after one preseason and cement himself in as an AFL winger its 'not to be?'

Unless you are a freak athlete it will take several preseasons for a kid to develop the endurance to play as a winger. I wouldn't give up on him just yet unless they discovered some reason he can't put the km in his legs and do the work required.

Not sure where the hell you got from my post that I had given up on Rotham \_ 0_/ , because he hadn't cemented a place as an AFL wingman.

My point was that his DEVELOPMENT as a player in the 2017 season @ East Perth was uninspiring at best and very disappointing at worst.

For a kid who's 2016 form in the State 18's, then his subsequent production , progression and development at West Perth, was far more impressive than what he showed at East Perth this year.

It should be a real concern and sadly its just another poor indictment on our young players lack of development at East Perth.

 

[Obeanie1]

My hope is that Rotham is developing as a defender in order to improve his defensive/contested game. Personally, I think his future lies up the ground and I hope the club feels the same way. Historically speaking, we generally like to develop players on a flank before trying to move them in to the guts or to a wing. Rotham is seriously evasive and has speed and skill. I think he could be a better version of what Jetta has been for us.

I think and hope you are right.

It seems the AFL way to drill the young kids defensive side of their game early before they are released to play more attacking footy. Teams can't afford to have too many players who don't run both ways and apply defensive pressure.

Defense is the new attack and its been evolving for some time now.

If we do trade Gaff I just hope we use it as an opportunity to play different types off the wing such as Rotham, Lamb and even rotate Darling through there.

 

[flamingEMBERS]

It's pretty disappointing to hear that Rotham is told to play a highly defensive game. We should be encouraging players playing to their strengths especially in their first year, we don't want players to lose their flair as we have seen happen to our youngsters. 2nd and 3rd should be about other aspects


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[Obeanie1]

Not sure where the hell you got from my post that I had given up on Rotham \_ 0_/ , because he hadn't cemented a place as an AFL wingman.

My point was that his DEVELOPMENT as a player in the 2017 season @ East Perth was uninspiring at best and very disappointing at worst.

For a kid who's 2016 form in the State 18's, then his subsequent production , progression and development at West Perth, was far more impressive than what he showed at East Perth this year.

It should be a real concern and sadly its just another poor indictment on our young players lack of development at East Perth.

Whooo big fella!

The point I was making was give the kid and the club time before we start going so negative with any judgements. You said 'alas it was not meant to be' which sounds a bit 'glass half full. You did then say you can see him developing long term so a bit of 'glass half full'.

Not every 18 year old is a man child like a SPP and kids do take time to develop the defensive side to their game plus the endurance level to play wing in the AFL.

Rotham is now 19 and we shouldn't be too harsh on his first 12 months. Who knows what his training loads were like, preseason, niggling injuries?

Lamb just spent his 3rd year on an AFL list and should be showing more. Is that him or the club? I understand the club hasn't been sure how to play him and there's been a bit of chopping and changing. That's a better sample size to make judgements.

 

[dajesmac]

It's pretty disappointing to hear that Rotham is told to play a highly defensive game. We should be encouraging players playing to their strengths especially in their first year, we don't want players to lose their flair as we have seen happen to our youngsters. 2nd and 3rd should be about other aspects


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The risk of letting Rotham run free as a wingman or even Suckling-like halfback I guess is that he might not ever develop a defensive edge (eg Jetta). So I'm comfortable with the thinking behind it provided a) there is a long term plan and b) they don't can him just because he doesn't quite pick up the whole third tall defender thing.

 

[FKASC]

It's pretty disappointing to hear that Rotham is told to play a highly defensive game. We should be encouraging players playing to their strengths especially in their first year, we don't want players to lose their flair as we have seen happen to our youngsters. 2nd and 3rd should be about other aspects


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Our development is ****ing shithouse. We overcoach all of our players so that they don't even look like they enjoy playing footy.

I feel like we used to get more from our kids when they were playing for random wafl teams far away from WC coaching staff.

Now they look shit for EP and look shitter when they are upgraded to the AFL side.

Surely we can afford an independent review of our demonstrably shithouse development structures and strategies.

If the club doesn't think we have any issues with the above then we fucjed

 

[Monocle]

Whooo big fella!

The point I was making was give the kid and the club time before we start going so negative with any judgements. You said 'alas it was not meant to be' which sounds a bit 'glass half full. You did then say you can see him developing long term so a bit of 'glass half full'.

Not every 18 year old is a man child like a SPP and kids do take time to develop the defensive side to their game plus the endurance level to play wing in the AFL.

Rotham is now 19 and we shouldn't be too harsh on his first 12 months. Who knows what his training loads were like, preseason, niggling injuries?

If Lamb just spent his 3rd year on an AFL list and should be showing more. Is that him or the club? I understand the club hasn't been sure how to play him and there's been a bit of chopping and changing. That's a better sample size to make judgements.

Yes I got your point ..... the kid and the Club need more time...... got it.

Out of curiosity did you happen to get mine ?

 

[Elite Pete]

Dreamin'

Of course they are but the point was the 2nd bit

 

[Obeanie1]

Yes I got your point ..... the kid and the Club need more time...... got it.

Out of curiosity did you happen to get mine ?

Your unhappy that Rotham developed more in his final U18 year at West Perth before entering the AFL system and East Perth.

Playing and training with and against men instead of boys may have something to do with that.

 

[Carbine Chaos]

Of course they are but the point was the 2nd bit

No chance.

GEELONG star Mitch Duncan insists the Cats have “amazing upside” despite crashing out of the finals to a ferocious Adelaide.

Duncan labelled Geelong as a “destination club” which meant high-profile players saw it as an attractive place to play footy.

“Culture doesn’t get built in a day, it’s been built for the last 15 years and we have to continue to work to improve it and strengthen our list.

“With free agency, there are always those possibilities.

“We always get linked to some good names — I’m very proud of the club for the situation they put themselves in.”

We had our chance with Duncan. We took Weedon instead...

 

[Jako Darling]

After I've calmed down. I've though about it. How about.:
Gaff for 7
7 for Higgins plus there second
There second and Higgins for Hall
Hall and our 1st plus our future 1st for Hogan
Hogan for Gaff?

That hurt my head

 

[Godfather32]

Your unhappy that Rotham developed more in his final U18 year at West Perth before entering the AFL system and East Perth.

Playing and training with and against men instead of boys may have something to do with that.

I think Monocle's point is not that he's unhappy with Rotham but that he's unhappy with the way Rotham has been developed by the club, specifically that they seem intent on developing him as a key position defender instead of as an outside mid which he's more suited to

 

[Obeanie1]

Our development is ******* shithouse. We overcoach all of our players so that they don't even look like they enjoy playing footy.

I feel like we used to get more from our kids when they were playing for random wafl teams far away from WC coaching staff.

Now they look shit for EP and look shitter when they are upgraded to the AFL side.

Surely we can afford an independent review of our demonstrably shithouse development structures and strategies.

If the club doesn't think we have any issues with the above then we fucjed

So you are unhappy with the development of Barrass, McGovern, Kennedy since moving from Carlton, Duggan as a lower age draftee?

I feel the real issue with our youngsters is we loaded up with older trades in a effort to pinch a flag before a few of the players got too old and so we haven't played kids when normally a club would.

At the end of 2018 I am sure we will have a much better idea just how good or bad our development of these youngsters has come along. I'm really keen on seeing how our 2016 draftees come along in Venables and Rioli. Rotham as well.

 

[Carbine Chaos]

So you are unhappy with the development of Barrass, McGovern, Kennedy since moving from Carlton, Duggan as a lower age draftee?

There have never been doubts on our ability to develop talls. But even that is starting to dwindle with Lamb (shouldn't be played as a tall tbf).

As for Duggan, he's already had to be shifted to the back flank and out of the middle, so not a great example.

 

[Obeanie1]

There have never been doubts on our ability to develop talls. But even that is starting to dwindle with Lamb (shouldn't be played as a tall tbf).

As for Duggan, he's already had to be shifted to the back flank and out of the middle, so not a great example.

Duggan is a low age draftee and looked pretty good off half back. We are really good at developing midfielders into half backs. Best in the comp one could argue!

 

[Lyyynnnchy]

So you are unhappy with the development of Barrass, McGovern, Kennedy since moving from Carlton, Duggan as a lower age draftee?

I feel the real issue with our youngsters is we loaded up with older trades in a effort to pinch a flag before a few of the players got too old and so we haven't played kids when normally a club would.

At the end of 2018 I am sure we will have a much better idea just how good or bad our development of these youngsters has come along. I'm really keen on seeing how our 2016 draftees come along in Venables and Rioli. Rotham as well.

You're going as far back as Kennedy and you dont name one midfielder apart from Duggan who is still a long way off becoming even a B Grade mid...that says a lot about our development

 

[FKASC]

So you are unhappy with the development of Barrass, McGovern, Kennedy since moving from Carlton, Duggan as a lower age draftee?

I feel the real issue with our youngsters is we loaded up with older trades in a effort to pinch a flag before a few of the players got too old and so we haven't played kids when normally a club would.

At the end of 2018 I am sure we will have a much better idea just how good or bad our development of these youngsters has come along. I'm really keen on seeing how our 2016 draftees come along in Venables and Rioli. Rotham as well.

Kennedy? That's a 10 year sample size.

We can hardly use Duggan as an indicator of success...his performance as a whole is only par for a first round pick. The fact he looked better in his first 15 games than he did for most of his next 30 games doesn't say much about our development.

Yes let's wait until the end of next year before judging. We will drop massively next year IMO, so I'm sure we will see many more youngsters being played. But I can also see the coaching staff, fighting for their careers, look to backfill that 24 yr old age bracket with older trades - a hole created by loading up on other older trades over the past 6 years.

Regardless, despite not drafting as many kids as we should have because of those mature agers, I still don't think we are getting the best out of those kids we have drafted in - and our RS nomination history is testament to that.

I'm also keen to see those three you mentioned, but based on the demonstrated performance of our previous 3 years of draftees, it's foolish to think the development of these three is going to follow a vastly different trajectory.

 

[Yamumluvsbigcox]

Happy for the club to develop rothams defensive game . We will need a quarterback type player once hurn retires .
Thinking he could be that grant birchell type rangy running defender .

When Rocket eade got to Gold Coast he said that most of the players had not been developed properly and lacked the defensive side of their games which ultimately lead to high scores kicked against them.

back 7 for the next 6-7 years .
Mcgovern barrass yeo Duggan nelson Cole and Rotham
We are set !

 

[Obeanie1]

You're going as far back as Kennedy and you dont name one midfielder apart from Duggan who is still a long way off becoming even a B Grade mid...that says a lot about our development

Is Sheed a failure?

Again we will know more at the end of next season with Mitchell and Priddis retired.

That will also apply to Partington and Venables.

Has Gaff been developed poorly?

People also need to consider the past 7 years drafts gutted by expansion sides. Just how many top rated WA mids were drafted by GWS and Gold Coast.

The reason we used 1st round picks on Wellingham and Redden was because of the pick number and the expansion teams.

Sure in hindsight people can say we should have drafted player x than y.

In 12 months we will have a much better understanding on just how good Sheed, Duggan, Partington, Karpany, Venables, Nelson, Mutimer and Rotham are. And sure some of them wont make the grade.

 

[Suma Magic]

Glen Quartermaine (Sunday times) saying on 'The Game' podcast that he's very confident that Ah Chee will come from port to west coast this trade period.