2017 trade/draft thread

[avishka5]

He's a talented bloke played out of position. No reason why he can't be a good on baller if played there.

meh. Redden has been played out of position as well and id argue he's played better footy out of position as well.


AT the end of the day ah chee has spent 5 seasons on an AFL list and he has not much development or room for improvement left in him. Id get him but prioritise our kids over him.

 

[Noobz0r]

Yeah nah. JPK is very good at kicking goals. Has kicked +15 goals last 3 years (20 last season) and hasn't kicked less than ten goals since the Hawthorn days. He also doesn't spend too much time up forward like danger, bont, fyfe and martin do.

I should have expanded. Ah Chee has the potential to kick multiple goals from the midfield, ie kicking 3 in the GF last weekend. Kennedy rarely kicks multiple goals in a game, I think he did it once this season.

Anyway, I'll leave you guys alone to argue. Enjoy silly season

 

[lewigie]

This argument is going to go around in circles seeing as you used Masten as an example. One has spent his entire career in the midfield, the other hasn't been given a proper crack.

Redden and Ah Chee are also very different footballers so that's a non-issue too. Ah Chee fills the void left by Priddis / Mitchell, he and Redden can play in the same midfield. And I think he'll surprise you.

And given you'll be losing a 3rd round pick max on this, I can't see why posters are getting this upset.

Not upset, I'm happy for the club to spend a 3rd-4th round pick on him and I'm sure he COULD be a good player for us. But he hasn't shown anything at AFL level so it's silly to think he magically will and to pin any kind of hope on him.

 

[avishka5]

I should have expanded. Ah Chee has the potential to kick multiple goals from the midfield, ie kicking 3 in the GF last weekend. Kennedy rarely kicks multiple goals in a game, I think he did it once this season.

Anyway, I'll leave you guys alone to argue. Enjoy silly season

yeah but not everything will be translated at the next level.

 

[Bender_]

I would have no hesitation trading out 3rd pick, 40+???, for a player like Ah Chee. Its highly likely whoever we would have picked up in the draft at that level would have come in and struggle at even WAFL level.

I concur.

 

[Carbine Chaos]

I should have expanded. Ah Chee has the potential to kick multiple goals from the midfield, ie kicking 3 in the GF last weekend. Kennedy rarely kicks multiple goals in a game, I think he did it once this season.

Anyway, I'll leave you guys alone to argue. Enjoy silly season

You're always welcome in these parts.

 

[Noobz0r]

Not upset, I'm happy for the club to spend a 3rd-4th round pick on him and I'm sure he COULD be a good player for us. But he hasn't shown anything at AFL level so it's silly to think he magically will and to pin any kind of hope on him.

I don't think he magically will either, but the hysteria and writing off of a very talented young player (for which you will pay peanuts) is a bit bemusing.

 

[avishka5]

I don't think he magically will either, but the hysteria and writing off of a very talented young player (for which you will pay peanuts) is a bit bemusing.

Ah chee ain't young when he has spent 6 years on in the system and is about to turn 24.

 

[Suma Magic]

4th round good. 3rd round bad.

That's my Ah Chee position and I'm sticking to it.

 

[bh90210fan]

AhChee for next to nothing is a no brainier. Everyone frothing over T Kelly (who I want) is a mature aged mid who's played 100 games of league that hasn't even made a afl list. We need midfielders as everyone has suggested and I don't see any a graders wanting to come here. Sure draft in some young talent but they need years to come good, Kennedy and co need help now

 

[squashface]

Dunno about that. Masten was producing the same in the WAFL as he was in the AFL; lots of touches for **** all impact.

This argument is going to go around in circles seeing as you used Masten as an example. One has spent his entire career in the midfield, the other hasn't been given a proper crack.

Redden and Ah Chee are also very different footballers so that's a non-issue too. Ah Chee fills the void left by Priddis / Mitchell, he and Redden can play in the same midfield. And I think he'll surprise you.

And given you'll be losing a 3rd round pick max on this, I can't see why posters are getting this upset.

I guess you've been looking at Mastens stats rather than actually watching him play? He in nowhere near dominating the WAFL

Just to clarify, I have no issue with picking up Ah Chee, especially given he will more than likely come very cheap, but to say that he would be better than Redden is a very large jump from where both of those players are at right now.

And Masten was probably a poor example but you get what I mean, there are plenty of world beaters at reserves level that fail to make the transition to AFL level

 

[Carbine Chaos]

Just to clarify, I have no issue with picking up Ah Chee, especially given he will more than likely come very cheap, but to say that he would be better than Redden is a very large jump from where both of those players are at right now.

It is a large jump, sure. But I call it as I see it. I think his ceiling is higher with midfield exposure. Big ifs, obviously. As Noobz0r says they are different players so not as though they couldn't co-exist.

 

[Noobz0r]

Just to clarify, I have no issue with picking up Ah Chee, especially given he will more than likely come very cheap, but to say that he would be better than Redden is a very large jump from where both of those players are at right now.

And Masten was probably a poor example but you get what I mean, there are plenty of world beaters at reserves level that fail to make the transition to AFL level

I ventured from fact into opinion. I just really rate him :sad:

 

[dajesmac]

Re: Ah Chee

We are faced with the prospect of resetting our midfield. The two most obvious methods of doing so are:

1) Drafting an elite prospect
2) Trading in an established A grade mid at a premium

The obvious downside to the first option is that it's an inexact science and it requires time investment. Regarding option 2, we know ours is a conservative club that a) doesn't like to spend big in terms of trades and b) struggles to attract big names. We know we will go to the draft with our first pick likely still in hand but what other options are there?

We've talked about mature age draftees, the downside to this is that there are probably only 1-2 state league mids that will be worth anything to us going forward, and given the lottery nature of the draft we have no idea if they will even be available come draft day. So the other option is to identify untapped potential at other clubs that could benefit from a fresh start.

Naturally, you want to steer clear of blurring the line between 'targeting untapped potential' and just recycling other teams spuds (like we have in the past). Ah Chee at least possesses some genuine AFL-standard qualities and may be a guy who would benefit from some extended time on the ball, so I think he falls into the former category. Personally, and I could be wrong on this, but looking at how trades of this nature (uncontracted mid-20 year old who has struggled for game time this year) have gone in the past, I can't see us having to spend a pick earlier than what is currently 67.

What Ah Chee offers us is a mature body with some potential to improve. His recruitment would go some (admittedly small) way toward mitigating the colossal drop off in midfield depth we are about to experience. The high finish in the Magary and the Grand Final performance is quite promising. I'd say go for it.

 

[Godfather32]

Re: Ah Chee

We are faced with the prospect of resetting our midfield. The two most obvious methods of doing so are:

1) Drafting an elite prospect
2) Trading in an established A grade mid at a premium

The obvious downside to the first option is that it's an inexact science and it requires time investment. Regarding option 2, we know ours is a conservative club that a) doesn't like to spend big in terms of trades and b) struggles to attract big names. We know we will go to the draft with our first pick likely still in hand but what other options are there?

We've talked about mature age draftees, the downside to this is that there are probably only 1-2 state league mids that will be worth anything to us going forward, and given the lottery nature of the draft we have no idea if they will even be available come draft day. So the other option is to identify untapped potential at other clubs that could benefit from a fresh start.

Naturally, you want to steer clear of blurring the line between 'targeting untapped potential' and just recycling other teams spuds (like we have in the past). Ah Chee at least possesses some genuine AFL-standard qualities and may be a guy who would benefit from some extended time on the ball, so I think he falls into the former category. Personally, and I could be wrong on this, but looking at how trades of this nature (uncontracted mid-20 year old who has struggled for game time this year) have gone in the past, I can't see us having to spend a pick earlier than what is currently 67.

What Ah Chee offers us is a mature body with some potential to improve. His recruitment would go some (admittedly small) way toward mitigating the colossal drop off in midfield depth we are about to experience. The high finish in the Magary and the Grand Final performance is quite promising. I'd say go for it.

If it's a 4th round pick then he's probably worth the risk I guess, even if he just ends up as depth. All the port supporters who've come in here seem high on him so that's altered my thinking on him somewhat.

 

[Shmiddy15]

It'd be pretty interesting if we ended up spending our 2nd on Tim Kelly and our 3rd on Ah Chee. It'd help fill the 23-24 year old gap in our list, but would mean we'd have to venture pretty deep into the draft if we wanted a few genuine first year players.

 

[dajesmac]

If it's a 4th round pick then he's probably worth the risk I guess, even if he just ends up as depth. All the port supporters who've come in here seem high on him so that's altered my thinking on him somewhat.

I think if the price is 48 then it's fair enough that people go cold on the idea. On the other hand to Port he is probably worth more than that (and is better than that) but I expect that's how it will go down personally.

 

[Bleedblueandgold]

Don't mind spending a 4th round pick or less on Ah Chee. Most of the highlights I've seen mainly just focus on his long handballing though, which in itself is pretty interesting to watch. Could be a valuable asset since it's probably quicker to get a handball out than a kick from congestion.

 

[dajesmac]

It'd be pretty interesting if we ended up spending our 2nd on Tim Kelly and our 3rd on Ah Chee. It'd help fill the 23-24 year old gap in our list, but would mean we'd have to venture pretty deep into the draft if we wanted a few genuine first year players.

Yeah that's it. Even if we used 30 on Kelly and 67 on Ah Chee it leaves us with picks 13, 48 and 85 for 18 year olds. For that reason I expect WC to avoid using pick 30 on Kelly although I suspect they will have to to get him.

There is also Liam Ryan to consider. I'm hopeful we use Masten and maybe someone else as trade bait in an attempt to slightly strengthen our draft position. Another pick in the 30's or 40's would give us some more flexibility (and it would also mean no more Masten).

 

[Shmiddy15]

Yeah that's it. Even if we used 30 on Kelly and 67 on Ah Chee it leaves us with picks 13, 48 and 85 for 18 year olds. For that reason I expect WC to avoid using pick 30 on Kelly although I suspect they will have to to get him.

There is also Liam Ryan to consider. I'm hopeful we use Masten and maybe someone else as trade bait in an attempt to slightly strengthen our draft position. Another pick in the 30's or 40's would give us some more flexibility (and it would also mean no more Masten).

This is the dream.

 

[paran]

I'd trade Masten for Callum Ah Chee, funnily enough, I think that would be somewhat fair. Ah Chee has shown very little since being drafted... anyone got any more on him?

 

[avishka5]

I'd trade Masten for Callum Ah Chee, funnily enough, I think that would be somewhat fair. Ah Chee has shown very little since being drafted... anyone got any more on him?

with that many decent inside mids at port masten might actual do well. 2012 and 2015 are his best two years and thats when our midfield did really well.

 

[Bleedblueandgold]

Here are a few highlights videos of Ah Chee...

 

[Lyyynnnchy]

Just to clarify, I have no issue with picking up Ah Chee, especially given he will more than likely come very cheap, but to say that he would be better than Redden is a very large jump from where both of those players are at right now.

And Masten was probably a poor example but you get what I mean, there are plenty of world beaters at reserves level that fail to make the transition to AFL level

I'd hardly say we have had any "consistent" world beaters in the WAFL for a long time...

 

[Carbine Chaos]

with that many decent inside mids at port masten might actual do well. 2012 and 2015 are his best two years and thats when our midfield did really well.

He said Callum, so GC, assuming that's the one he meant.