List Mgmt. 2018 Draft Watch - Depth Chart In OP

[Mr Magic]

It's pretty simple - you said:

"West Coast will be thinking its 17 or better forgetting about RFA comp"

Like an entire football Club doing this for a living will over look that.............

So unless your syntax means something different - it presumes your suggestion will in some way be smarter than their thinking on such matters. I find that extraordinary. But go ahead and presume that if you wish.

If you mean something completely different then say so.

So you are getting up me on syntax??

why don't you be specific about your argument????


It takes a special one to think what you think in my opinion!!!!


Oh boy, wow we!!!!!

The forgetting about RFA comp was in the context of the argument West Coast will be thinking its 17 or better.

"Forgetting" is communication to the viewers as a qualification so the 17 or better made sense in reality. Otherwise if RFC came second and there was 5 top end FA compos like Lynch 17 would become 22.

Who am I to pretend I now what West Coast thinks apart from the basics that, like I said, that they are competitors, that they will be attempting to win in 2019, that they will be thinking (ceteris paribus ) RFC will at best come second to West Coast!!!

Wow, leapfrogged on a tangent there!!! Sure I my have loosened the syntax but I was not anticipated that type of tangent thought from a reader!! I did not think you, or anybody else, would think that any poster could think they knew more than the club itself in what the club thinks unless the poster stated so verbatim!!!! I would have thought culturally all posters deserved benefit of the doubt on that one!!

I said West Coast would be thinking 17 or better, I did not say West Coast would be forgetting about RFA comp specifically, but then again, I thought that would be obvious!!

 

[Calcium Man]

Twomey is a looney and the last couple of years i havent paid any attention or gotten hopes up because of phantom drafts.
This is his 2017 phantom draft compared to what happened:

Twomey/What happened

1. Rayner-Rayner
2. LDU-Brayshaw
3. Dow-Dow
4. Fogarty-LDU
5. Brayshaw-Cerra
6. Cerra-Stephenson
7. Clark-Clark
8. Coffield-Coffield
9. Naughton-Naughton
10. Richards-O'Brien
11. Higgins-Bonar
12. Bonar-Fogarty
13. Allen-Brander
14. O'Brien-Ling
15. Fogarty-Bailey
16. Murphy-Richards
17. Stephenson-Higgins
18. Bailey-Starsevich
19. Ballard-Powell
20. Brander-CCJ

5/20

Twomey has no idea, but phantom drafts are notoriously difficult because one team always picks in a direction you don’t expect and throws out the entire draft.

However feel free to make fun of him for his insistence that Naish was gonna be a top 10 bid all year.

 

[tigs2010]

Astbury was drafted as a Key Forward, case in point, and is now one of the most consistent, underrated defenders in the comp.

Except when he has explosive diarrhoea. Then hes a shit truck

 

[tugga]

Is anyone an advance on Soldo and/or CCJ?

I know people talk about this. And I agree that ruck depth is a major issue. But state league rucks tend to not be great AFL rucks. And Soldo is a damn fine VFL level ruck - not great AFL, but worth seeing how he goes. I see CCJ as our main man going forward, not 2019 though I'd venture.

If there is a ruck sitting there that fits our needs then fine. But why are they still there?

Maybe not.
Ryan Abbott didn't look totally out of place in the four games he played for Geelong.
If Nank is out for any length of time, we will need to probably rotate Soldo and someone else. If we have to rely solely on Soldo then we are royally ****ed.
The state league ruckman are still there I guess because clubs don't need many ruckmen on their list. It's not like midfielders where clubs have probably 25 blokes who play on the ball on the list.
Clubs are lucky if they have three rucks on their list these days, hence why ruckmen are playing their trade in the state leagues.
I still think we need another one.

 

[Toadvine]

Twomey has no idea, but phantom drafts are notoriously difficult because one team always picks in a direction you don’t expect and throws out the entire draft.

However feel free to make fun of him for his insistence that Naish was gonna be a top 10 bid all year.

I thought it was Lansberger who was the main culprit

Clubs circling Richmond father-son prospect Patrick Naish

Sam Landsberger revealed on the SuperFooty Podcast that “there are clubs in the lower regions of the ladder which really, really like Naish” and that could force the Tigers to give up more than just a first-round pick.

The Tigers will have two first round picks, their own and another from Geelong, thanks to the trade that sent Brett Deledio to GWS.

“I think it’s a good thing they’ve got two, because not only will Naish cost them one, I think he might bump back their second first-round pick, because they’re going to have to pay a really high price,” he said.

https://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/...h/news-story/1748758a13b6ee5884af664f21506e7f

 

[Charlie Pannam]

Is anyone an advance on Soldo and/or CCJ?

I know people talk about this. And I agree that ruck depth is a major issue. But state league rucks tend to not be great AFL rucks. And Soldo is a damn fine VFL level ruck - not great AFL, but worth seeing how he goes. I see CCJ as our main man going forward, not 2019 though I'd venture.

If there is a ruck sitting there that fits our needs then fine. But why are they still there?

I’m in the minority but I’d get rid of Soldo. Imo has very little chance of making the grade.

He dominates hit outs at VFL level but that’s it. Offers nothing around the ground, up forward, or dropping back across hb. I watched 6 or 7 VFL games live this year and could count the contested marks he took on one hand.

I’d much rather look at a state league ruckman that gives more around the ground. Soldos tap dominance at VFL level won’t translate to AFL level anyway there’s plenty ruckman his size with better leaps and ruck craft.

 

[smurfin]

Clubs weren't going to bid on Naish until he was definitely best available because there was no certainty that we would match. Even just before pick 25 we may have not matched due to our need for talls.
On the other hand, this draft, it is more obvious that most clubs will match bids, benefiting all other clubs, so bids should come early enough.


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[richoatthedisco]

I thought it was Lansberger who was the main culprit

Clubs circling Richmond father-son prospect Patrick Naish

Sam Landsberger revealed on the SuperFooty Podcast that “there are clubs in the lower regions of the ladder which really, really like Naish” and that could force the Tigers to give up more than just a first-round pick.

The Tigers will have two first round picks, their own and another from Geelong, thanks to the trade that sent Brett Deledio to GWS.

“I think it’s a good thing they’ve got two, because not only will Naish cost them one, I think he might bump back their second first-round pick, because they’re going to have to pay a really high price,” he said.

https://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/...h/news-story/1748758a13b6ee5884af664f21506e7f

If Gerard Wankley and Callum Twomey had a baby, it would be Sam Landsberger.

 

[Accepted 04]

If we take 5 picks in the National Draft I would really love:
Stocker
Stack
Bytel
O’Neill
McGannon

Plus I think Riley Grundy would be a great late pick/Rookie. Has all the tools to be a great KPD, just needs more time to develop


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[_RT_]

It's pretty simple - you said:

"West Coast will be thinking its 17 or better forgetting about RFA comp"

Like an entire football Club doing this for a living will over look that.............

So unless your syntax means something different - it presumes your suggestion will in some way be smarter than their thinking on such matters. I find that extraordinary. But go ahead and presume that if you wish.

If you mean something completely different then say so.

The ignore function is your friend and does wonders for your sanity

 

[Grockadoc]

Any ruckmen at VFL, SANFL or WAFL that could be gettable with one of our late picks?

Zac Clarke as a late pick could be handy. Give him a 2 year deal. Solid backup for Nank, gives us Ruck depth, allows Soldo and CCJ to continue to develop. Could do worse.

I thought it was Lansberger who was the main culprit

Clubs circling Richmond father-son prospect Patrick Naish

Sam Landsberger revealed on the SuperFooty Podcast that “there are clubs in the lower regions of the ladder which really, really like Naish” and that could force the Tigers to give up more than just a first-round pick.

The Tigers will have two first round picks, their own and another from Geelong, thanks to the trade that sent Brett Deledio to GWS.

“I think it’s a good thing they’ve got two, because not only will Naish cost them one, I think he might bump back their second first-round pick, because they’re going to have to pay a really high price,” he said.

https://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/...h/news-story/1748758a13b6ee5884af664f21506e7f

The biggest threat to us with Naish was the Doggies who had the pick before us.

 

[Grockadoc]

If we take 5 picks in the National Draft I would really love:
Stocker
Stack
Bytel
O’Neill
McGannon

Plus I think Riley Grundy would be a great late pick/Rookie. Has all the tools to be a great KPD, just needs more time to develop


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Bytel will be gone by our next pick.

My ideal draft would be:

17: Collier-Dawkins
37: Bowman
64: Berry

 

[JR82]

Cheers. I worked on bids coming at:
10 for Blakey (Swans)
12 for Thomas (Norf)
We should definitely bid on them at 17 if still there.
20 West (Dogs)
25 Quaynor (Pies)
25 McFadyen (Lions)
30 Scott (Norf)
30 Cameron (Eagles)
35 Carter (Freo)
35 Briggs (GWS)
40 Kelly (Pies)

This shows just how much of a rort this system is...

 

[Calcium Man]

I thought it was Lansberger who was the main culprit

Clubs circling Richmond father-son prospect Patrick Naish

Sam Landsberger revealed on the SuperFooty Podcast that “there are clubs in the lower regions of the ladder which really, really like Naish” and that could force the Tigers to give up more than just a first-round pick.

The Tigers will have two first round picks, their own and another from Geelong, thanks to the trade that sent Brett Deledio to GWS.

“I think it’s a good thing they’ve got two, because not only will Naish cost them one, I think he might bump back their second first-round pick, because they’re going to have to pay a really high price,” he said.

https://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/...h/news-story/1748758a13b6ee5884af664f21506e7f

Another “draft guru” with no idea.

Twomey had Naish at 13 in his end of October power rankings

http://m.nmfc.com.au/news/2017-10-31/phantom-form-guide

 

[db26]

If were after a ruckman from state leagues Darcy Fort from the sanfl.205 cm mobile and from Victoria.No to Clark.

 

[theyellowsash]

Menadue and Markov are list cloggers yet you refer to C Ellis and Miles as depth.. you’ve lost me

I said cellis wasn't but miles certainly was depth. He is a mature body who can win the contested ball, which is where we now have no depth at all

 

[Sir_Loin]

If Gerard Wankley and Callum Twomey had a baby, it would be Sam Landsberger.

LOL

 

[Sir_Loin]

If were after a ruckman from state leagues Darcy Fort from the sanfl.205 cm mobile and from Victoria.No to Clark.

Good size. How does he compare to Soldo?

 

[Michaels]

Massive thanks to Pie 4 Life and D_P_S from AFL Draft Central for coming on.


You can listen to the Podcast on the link below or in iTunes

https://www.spreaker.com/episode/16019952

Topics covered:

-What's involved in being a scout
-Each guest to provide their top 20 player draft rankings
-Each guest will give a more detailed report on a few of the players who may not be well known but have impressed them
-Tasmania coming back into the TAC cup
-We will go through a mock 1st round draft selection


It was again fascinating to listen to Pie 4 Life and D_P_S

The knowledge and research that goes into what they do is amazing, a very in depth Podcast.

Hope you all enjoy!​

 

[tunksy]

I like Jacob Koschitzke as a late pick up.

Good size about him

 

[Phar Ace]

I’m in the minority but I’d get rid of Soldo. Imo has very little chance of making the grade.

He dominates hit outs at VFL level but that’s it. Offers nothing around the ground, up forward, or dropping back across hb. I watched 6 or 7 VFL games live this year and could count the contested marks he took on one hand.

I’d much rather look at a state league ruckman that gives more around the ground. Soldos tap dominance at VFL level won’t translate to AFL level anyway there’s plenty ruckman his size with better leaps and ruck craft.

100%

If Nank sank with an injury, I'd be amazed if we made top 8 (how long Nank was out is the main issue). Clubs are already all over exploiting us when Grigg was used. They would quickly exploit Soldo as well I fear.

 

[Phar Ace]

Zac Clarke as a late pick could be handy. Give him a 2 year deal. Solid backup for Nank, gives us Ruck depth, allows Soldo and CCJ to continue to develop. Could do worse.
.

Think West Coast is into him.

 

[Mr Magic]

What about we trade our first rounder in 2018 and 2019 for Adelaides pick 13 and 21 this year? These positions would be before the picks get adjusted after taking into account adjustments due to father and son and academy reshuffles.

Adelaide might not do it anyway. Then again they may think it helps them more in chasing a higher pick from GCS etc...

I am just thinking I am not sure picks 13 and 21 in the draft in terms of dispersion of players suits Adelaide as greatly as RFC and vice versa for RFC's picks to Adelaide.

If it suited RFC they could argue to Adelaide if they are chasing a player at 13 Adelaide do not want, or not chasing the player Adelaide is targeting, 17 is only 2 picks lower than 13 anyway because they have 16 and so there is only 14 and 15 between the picks from other clubs and they might know RFC are not going to select the player Adelaide wants. So if 17 is virtually the same pick as 13 in terms of player selection they are targeting Adelaide is getting a RFC's first round in 2019 for 21 this year which will probably end up 24 or so after academy/father-son adjustments

 

[tigerdan]

Man, guys are getting bent out of shape that we traded away "midfield depth". Well we have to get rid of players every year, and the only one that could be a game winner was Lloyd and he was inconsistent. Miles was an accumulator who had rubbish disposal and Conca just a mid-everything type player. Corey Ellis was never going to make it after all the chances we gave him.

All the replacement depth was drafted 1-2 drafts ago. It is a conveyor belt, you put time into the kids and eventually they are ready to play. Sometimes you blitz it with guys like Higgins or Graham, sometimes you wait forever like Paddy Steinfort!

Our depth players are already on our list. They are guys like Markov and Naish. Start on the flanks and as they fill out put them in the middle. You can't expect to continually draft walk up start onballers like Higgins and Graham. The guys we just got rid of were never going to get us anywhere, at best they were injury replacements for 1-2 games, and without trading away good picks we were never going to bring in a good onballer via trade.

What we do need is a ruckman or two to put on the slow conveyor belt of big man development. But it looks like the Tigers let other clubs do that work and just draft the best rucks that are surplus to needs.

 

[Jimmy Jess]

FWIW roar.com.au have done their mock draft. This is their pick for our round one selection:
20. Richmond – Riley Collier-Dawkins, Midfielder, Oakleigh Chargers A really interesting midfield prospect at 193cm. RCD’s ceiling is as high as any in this draft. Could be a special talent with the right coaching and development.


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