List Mgmt. 2018 List Management: Contracts, Trading, Drafting, Academy

[Snookers]

I do get the sense that we might do a better trade with the Lions. For me I want him to go where wants to be.

Yeah, great point mate. Totally agree.

 

[Giant Pete]

39? That’s way unders.

 

[Bokonon_]

39? That’s way unders.

In anything trade related tou get a lot of nonsense. There's a couple of Carlton posters I'd listen to carefully. Often it goes
1.Poster one says something silly tjey dont know like he is worth a third rounder.
2. Poster two from opposition club responds with outrage..
3. Thread goes to hell in a handbasket

Stay calm and wait and see. Seems likely we may be keen to bring the Lions in to up his price, particularly if he is not steadfastly opposed to the idea. Deal will get done though.
If he is ok with the Lions then why not. I cant imagine they would be serious without having some communication with his manager.

 

[Colonial]

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[Bokonon_]

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Codswallop

 

[Ichabod Noodle]

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I liked his take down of Tex Walker the other day - but now he’s just dissing a former teammate and that’s not nice.

 

[Giant Pete]

I liked his take down of Tex Walker the other day - but now he’s just dissing a former teammate and that’s not nice.

Former teammate?

 

[Ellie Aquitaine]

Former teammate?

Big Daws, saying we need a genuine ruckman.

 

[Ichabod Noodle]

Former teammate?

Big Daws, saying we need a genuine ruckman.

What she said.

 

[Vic pokiesmon]

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Bartels spot on.While not necessarily Campbell we need another ruck.If we don't bring in someone it will come back to haunt us

 

[Bokonon_]

Bartels spot on.While not necessarily Campbell we need another ruck.If we don't bring in someone it will come back to haunt us

So the Bulldogs who have the weakest ruck stocks in the comp, dont want Campbell. We should pick him up?

If you think we need a ruck, that's fair enough. Did you read #(Giant Strides comment that we have limited options to give rucks the necessary game time, including NEAFL though? It made a lot of sense to me. Rory has commented on his development being hindered by training as a forward the last couple if years.

Dawson will need ruck time in the NEAFL to keep him in touch in case we need him.That's assuming he doesn't start next year as first ruck, in tandem with Rory.

We also need to pump ruck time into Matt Flynn, more so as his body developes and he's physically ready. More than Dawson he needs to learn as I see it.

Ruck is a bit of a unique position, as a real craft that requires mote than just skill and aptitude. It requires rat cunning and hard experience to do well, in my view.

I assume your view is that Dawson and/or Rory and Matt Flynn aren't up to the job? In which case a fair enough opinion, but I dont agree. In that case we would really need to clear them off the list IMO.

 

[coniglio_number1]

We have enough rucks and I feel that Rory and big daws can hold the ruck easily enough as our midfield is very capable.

If anything I would like Richards on our list to develop as a back up plan to Flynn

 

[Bokonon_]

We have enough rucks and I feel that Rory and big daws can hold the ruck easily enough as our midfield is very capable.

If anything I would like Richards on our list to develop as a back up plan to Flynn

How would we give him game time to develop though?

 

[combaning]

I'd like to see Tomlinson as our second ruck next year with Lobbed number 1. Throw Flynn in for 4-6 games for development. But he needs to earn it. No games gifted anymore.

 

[Giant Strides]

How would we give him game time to develop though?

Yeah, it would be tough for him, as essentially he'd be lowest priority & probably doing minimal rucking for a couple of years. If Mummy is out, then I would think that Lobb plays most first grade games. I think he'd need a couple of breaks, though, to freshen up as he isn't used to whole-of-game ruck work week in week out. So Simpson & Flynn primarily share the NEAFL load (this year from the stats, big Dawson was taking the majority of it) and one (presumably Dawson) comes in to rest Lobb for between 4 & 6 games (or if injured). In this case, Flynn gets whole games in NEAFL. Richards would essentially start off just being a forward in NEAFL, getting game time without the stress of rucking. He gets ruck time if either Dawson or Flynn are injured, or if Lobb is injured and one of Simpson/Flynn plays first grade. He's essentially the emergency guy in case we lose two of the main ruckmen injured, and there's one guy in first grade and otherwise no-one to ruck in NEAFL. And god forbid we have 3 injured ruckmen!

 

[coniglio_number1]

How would we give him game time to develop though?

What GS said

 

[Determinant]

I'm not sure he has done anything to suggest he is going to reach AFL level, rookie list as suggested by coniglio_number1 at best.
At this stage I'm not willing to let go of Mummy playing on, if he can get his legs right he is still by far our best ruck.

 

[Determinant]

Does anyone know when the state combine is on?

 

[Giant Strides]

Does anyone know when the state combine is on?

Seven players from the AFL NSW/ACT Talent Pathway have been invited to attend the 2017 NAB AFL State Combine on 6 October 2017.

Following in the footsteps of the five players already selected to attend the 2017 NAB AFL Draft Combine on 3-6 October 2017 in Melbourne, the newly announced seven players will also test for AFL Clubs ahead of the NAB AFL Draft in November. In difference to those selected for the 2017 NAB AFL Draft Combine, the players selected today have been nominated by either two or three AFL Clubs, as opposed to the five or more.

Those nominated by three clubs to attend the 2017 NAB AFL State Combine include James Bell (Sydney Swans Academy), Doulton Langlands (GWS GIANTS Academy), Jy Lane (GWS GIANTS Academy), Alex Paech (GWS GIANTS Academy), Nathan Richards (GWS GIANTS Academy) and Daniel Johnston (GWS GIANTS Academy). Gaining a nomination from two clubs was Jack Hardman, who will test within the new ‘Rookie Me’ Combine set for 7 October 2017.

http://aflnswact.com.au/2017-state-combine/

 

[Giant Strides]

I'm not sure he has done anything to suggest he is going to reach AFL level, rookie list as suggested by coniglio_number1 at best.
At this stage I'm not willing to let go of Mummy playing on, if he can get his legs right he is still by far our best ruck.

Agree with this. I'm certainly not pumping up Nathan Richards' tyres, and am only about 50/50 thinking he'll make our rookie list. I can see if Mummy is deemed OK, with Lobb's performances and consideration to being played as No 1 ruck if Mummy goes down, then GWS may just stick with the 4. However, alternatively I could see that there's a perceived risk of Mummy having and issue midway through the season and unable to continue, in which case we'd be a bit light on for ruck depth. Really no point in paying & trading for a better level ruckman (Lobbe, Nicholls or even Campbell) when he's 5th on the list, so a rookie spot would be the way to go. So do you get a DFA for the rookie list, aiming to use their experience, or give a local youngster an opportunity and see what happens? I'd prefer the latter personally, but it's not really a big issue however it pans out.

 

[Bokonon_]

Yeah, it would be tough for him, as essentially he'd be lowest priority & probably doing minimal rucking for a couple of years. If Mummy is out, then I would think that Lobb plays most first grade games. I think he'd need a couple of breaks, though, to freshen up as he isn't used to whole-of-game ruck work week in week out. So Simpson & Flynn primarily share the NEAFL load (this year from the stats, big Dawson was taking the majority of it) and one (presumably Dawson) comes in to rest Lobb for between 4 & 6 games (or if injured). In this case, Flynn gets whole games in NEAFL. Richards would essentially start off just being a forward in NEAFL, getting game time without the stress of rucking. He gets ruck time if either Dawson or Flynn are injured, or if Lobb is injured and one of Simpson/Flynn plays first grade. He's essentially the emergency guy in case we lose two of the main ruckmen injured, and there's one guy in first grade and otherwise no-one to ruck in NEAFL. And god forbid we have 3 injured ruckmen!

Fair enough I agree with most. I do think Rory and Mummy worked very well in tandem, and don't dismiss the possibility we will continue this with Dawson and Rory. I like strong rucking capability I admit. If Mummy is fit to play all bets are off of course.

I'm not a fan if going into the season planning to play Rory for 16 games either. I'd like us to get away from starting the season planning to play anyone for less than 25 games, except first year players who usually dont have the endurance.

Things happen, and we will make changes due to form or injury but a settled side, as much as can be, is crucial to winning a flag in my view.

 

[Determinant]

Seven players from the AFL NSW/ACT Talent Pathway have been invited to attend the 2017 NAB AFL State Combine on 6 October 2017.

Following in the footsteps of the five players already selected to attend the 2017 NAB AFL Draft Combine on 3-6 October 2017 in Melbourne, the newly announced seven players will also test for AFL Clubs ahead of the NAB AFL Draft in November. In difference to those selected for the 2017 NAB AFL Draft Combine, the players selected today have been nominated by either two or three AFL Clubs, as opposed to the five or more.

Those nominated by three clubs to attend the 2017 NAB AFL State Combine include James Bell (Sydney Swans Academy), Doulton Langlands (GWS GIANTS Academy), Jy Lane (GWS GIANTS Academy), Alex Paech (GWS GIANTS Academy), Nathan Richards (GWS GIANTS Academy) and Daniel Johnston (GWS GIANTS Academy). Gaining a nomination from two clubs was Jack Hardman, who will test within the new ‘Rookie Me’ Combine set for 7 October 2017.

http://aflnswact.com.au/2017-state-combine/

Cheers mate, found this http://aflnswact.com.au/state-combine-review/ only 4 tested and Richards wasn't one of them, the club will have enough knowledge to know whether he gets a number though..

Jy Lane's running vertical is either a typo or an outstanding result.

 

[Giant Strides]

I do think Rory and Mummy worked very well in tandem, and don't dismiss the possibility we will continue this with Dawson and Rory. I like strong rucking capability I admit. If Mummy is fit to play all bets are off of course.

I agree, I prefer the Mummy/Rory tandem and thought (would have preferred) we'd similarly go Dawson/Rory tandem in the finals when Mummy was injured. So what I'm suggesting is mejust trying to get a read on how I suspect LC is likely to think, which is difficult, of course.

I'm not a fan if going into the season planning to play Rory for 16 games either. I'd like us to get away from starting the season planning to play anyone for less than 25 games, except first year players who usually dont have the endurance.

Again, I agree with your sentiment. I am just looking at it from what we saw this year - Rory had a few niggles throughout - and I'm projecting that into next year & a fuller ruck season. I'd suspect that LC would aim to play him maximum, but I think a couple of spells will naturally occur.

Things happen, and we will make changes due to form or injury but a settled side, as much as can be, is crucial to winning a flag in my view.

Again, absolutely agree in principle, although I'd counter-argue that Lobb playing a full year of ruck is akin to a 'first year' situation. I'm not advocating that we must rest him, just that I think that it will happen naturally. If I'm wrong and he plays a full year, I'll be happily incorrect!

 

[Giant Strides]

Thanks Determinant.

Article highlights for others:

Six players from the New South Wales and ACT region attended last week’s NAB AFL State Combine at Etihad Stadium. The GIANTS Academy was represented at the State Combine by Doulton Landlands, Jy Lane, Alex Paech, Nathan Richards and Daniel Johnston. While Richards and Johnston did fly to Melbourne for club interviews and medicals, they were unable to test physically due to injuries suffered during the 2017 season. Richards is currently recovering from a navicular fracture in his right foot, an injury which has seen him unable to play for the past ten weeks. Things are looking brighter for Richards however, as he is due to start running this week. Johnston also sat out the trials due to stress reactions in the L4 section of his spine suffered late in his 2017 season with his TAC Cup club, the Murray Bushrangers. The injury saw him miss not only the final three games of the year, but the finals series. Despite the serious nature of Johnston’s injury, he began running the week of the State Combine, and has a month of rehab ahead of him.

For the players who did test, their day was slightly less arduous than their Draft Combine counterparts, not having to take part in the kicking skills or 2km time trial components of testing.

DOULTON LANGLANDS RESULTS

Test Score
Smartspeed 20 metre sprint 3.02 sec
Smartspeed agility test 8.70 sec
Standing vertical jump 59cm
Running vertical jump 76cm
Yo-Yo test Level 20.5

JY LANE RESULTS

Test Score
Smartspeed 20 metre sprint 3.05 sec
Smartspeed agility test 9.07 sec
Standing vertical jump 83cm
Running vertical jump 100cm
Yo-Yo test Level 20.3

ALEX PAECH RESULTS

Test Score
Smartspeed 20 metre sprint 3.07 sec
Smartspeed agility test 9.14 sec
Standing vertical jump 58cm
Running vertical jump 68cm
Yo-Yo test Level 20.6

 

[Bokonon_]

I agree, I prefer the Mummy/Rory tandem and thought (would have preferred) we'd similarly go Dawson/Rory tandem in the finals when Mummy was injured. So what I'm suggesting is mejust trying to get a read on how I suspect LC is likely to think, which is difficult, of course.



Again, I agree with your sentiment. I am just looking at it from what we saw this year - Rory had a few niggles throughout - and I'm projecting that into next year & a fuller ruck season. I'd suspect that LC would aim to play him maximum, but I think a couple of spells will naturally occur.


Again, absolutely agree in principle, although I'd counter-argue that Lobb playing a full year of ruck is akin to a 'first year' situation. I'm not advocating that we must rest him, just that I think that it will happen naturally. If I'm wrong and he plays a full year, I'll be happily incorrect!

It's just opinion. I thought your post was detailed and accurate. I lean to a stable side with strong rucks that's all.

I get the Bulldogs tactics to negate the ruck, which didn't really work this year.
I was surprised Jacobs didn't take more of an advantage when Richmond opposed him with a midfielder in the GF. I'm regarding that as a successful tactical surprise at this stage. Grigg might be enough to stop him taking direct posession the way the holding the ball works. I think with pre knowlege he might have been thumping the ball to the outside of the contest where their mids were waiting though. I have discussed that elsewhere.