List Mgmt. 2018 List Management: Contracts, Trading, Drafting, Academy

[Andre the Giant]

My thoughts are if we are in the window most people agreed our list required the best available small forward and that on stats it was Higgins. We take a speculative pick with Bonar at 11.
We then pass on Spargo argably the second best and a was an academy player.
We actually could have screwed over everyone who took our zone away from us had we taken the best kpp at 11 in Brander then Spargo at 27.
Shipley is a PR pick no one bid on him either he will never be in our best 22 while being a finals team. To use your words taking Powell would have inspired kids in Canberra, Powells stats were better than Shipley in nationals having said that Shipley imho deserved to be the last picked in the ND.
Caruso spoke before the draft and said he was going for a young developing ruck how do you reckon Richards feels now.
The recruiters have basically said scew the academy.

I think our recruiters really liked Higgins and from what I’ve read he was one of 3 options for the selection (the other being Ed Richards).

Higgins will be a good player and was an obvious candidate. Personally I don’t think his lack of agility will have any impact on his career as he has footy nous and game sense.

He is not a noted defender and defensive pressure is seen currently as an area of improvement so that might have been a red flag.

They identified Bonar very early as a player of interest and really zeroed in on him. His junior career was not as decorated as it was punctuated by injury but make no mistake his coach at Dandenong rated him every bit as good as blokes that went much higher than him.

If Bonar does a knee than he could be a bust but if he has a normal career his ceiling is just about bigger than any player in this draft. In my opinion it was a worthwhile punt.

Once he was picked we chose what we rated the best small forward in the draft. At 170 cms Daniels is a dwarf, but the vision on him shows a very strong, mobile, highly skilled small who looks built in the mould of a Brent Harvey/Puopolo/Papley style player. That is the prototype player our list is currently missing and addresses a real need.

We had a better opportunity than anyone to see Spargo and felt Daniels was better suited for needs. Time will tell if that turns out but many pundits felt it was the right call.

Sam Taylor is a tall mobile intercepting key defender who has form at seniors level and looks a fine prospect, particularly with a pre-season or two to strengthen up. He offers us real depth if one of Davis or Corr goes down with injury which in our short history has been frequent.

Powell started out rated higher than Shipley but I think Shipley has gone past him significantly. Richards was at one point rated quite highly but hasn’t as yet improved enough.

We’ve found anyone in the GWS Academy is significantly overrated. Brander and even Spargo (as 16yo) were at times rated potential Number 1 picks and in reality neither were in that class. In time these guys might work there way back but they cannot be gifted spots.

In some ways the Academy scenario worked counter productive to us in that it heavily influenced draft selections to a point where we picked good players but not necessarily the best for our needs.

The re-zoning has changed that so our recruiters are making the required adaption.

 

[dlanod]

The other thing to bear in mind is that a fair few of our academy guys get taken second time around as 19 year olds as well, as Steele, Himmelberg and Tiziani did.

 

[Vic pokiesmon]

So has the club stated or does anyone know why we passed on our last 3 live selections in rookie draft?.If we didn't have cap room would we have been given those selections in the first place?

 

[Bokonon_]

McCartney Appointed List Manager http://m.gwsgiants.com.au/news/2017-11-29/mccartney-appointed-list-manager.mobileapp

Must admit I have some bad vibe about recruiting admin from the Bulldogs. I guess I have to back the club, and the list manager isn't a role primarily responsible for their poor performance last year.

 

[Ichabod Noodle]

Jason McCartney appointed List Manager.

will be interesting in 2 years time when he's renegotiating Chook's contract and Norf are circling again.

 

[captainMyCaptain]

Jason McCartney appointed List Manager.

will be interesting in 2 years time when he's renegotiating Chook's contract and Norf are circling again.

Fantastic get for the club

 

[Danny88]

Jason McCartney appointed List Manager.

will be interesting in 2 years time when he's renegotiating Chook's contract and Norf are circling again.

Im not worried about north... IMO they will still be a bottom dweller in two years. I dont rate their young talent and they have no trade currnecy with their older players. Clubs like Carlton are more of a threat

 

[combaning]

Caruso mentioned in a comment that they are looking for resilient players that has a long term view to their career.

This means the club are sick of losing talent who don't get the games/game time where they think they deserve more and go elsewhere with promised more opportunities + pay.

Higgins reeks of this. He will expect to play Rd 1. I also believe he is ultra professional already and his scope for development is low. Could be proven wrong though.

They liked Bonar because he has had to do rehab and already seen the 'big picture'. I think that's why Richards came into calculations more for the fact he was a late bolter and probably not high expectations of playing early.

 

[Bont2Bruce]

Fantastic get for the club

I come in peace. A bit sad to see him go, certainly he is a good person with solid abilities.

He has very good skills at managing individual contracts and salaries within the salary cap. Don't think there was a single issue over his entire time with us on this front. If anything, he was always underrated on this by us.

But maybe don't get your hopes too high on his ability to drive a hard bargain at the trade negotiating table though.

 

[Giant Strides]

He has very good skills at managing individual contracts and salaries within the salary cap.

That's good, it seems a fairly complex situation for GWS.

But maybe don't get your hopes too high on his ability to drive a hard bargain at the trade negotiating table though.

That's not so good, except that it we don't lose too many from hereon (hopefully) it may be a lesser problem.

We just have to see how he goes for us. Hopefully his heart (and his brain) is in the move. Welcome Jason.[/QUOTE]

 

[Orange Agent]

They identified Bonar very early as a player of interest and really zeroed in on him. His junior career was not as decorated as it was punctuated by injury but make no mistake his coach at Dandenong rated him every bit as good as blokes that went much higher than him.

If Bonar does a knee than he could be a bust but if he has a normal career his ceiling is just about bigger than any player in this draft. In my opinion it was a worthwhile punt.

We have also had a much better retention rate with kids from the Stingrays and Dandenong area, Treloar being the main exception. A case could be made to say being more of a working class area which helps.

 

[Ichabod Noodle]

I come in peace.

Seriously?

You come in peace?

After the s#*t you posted on the main board about us only a couple of days ago?

Now you come in peace.

Well, good luck with that.

 

[Bokonon_]

Seriously?

You come in peace?

After the s#*t you posted on the main board about us only a couple of days ago?

Now you come in peace.

Well, good luck with that.

Think even a Mutt probably gets sick if the mindless abuse on their board. Their thread on this is a classic example. Perfectly reasonable they'd seek a civilised place to post.
Not sure It's worth the risk to have them infect ours though.
He's had a couple of goes at trolling us on the main board but he's really bad at it.

 

[Orange Agent]

I come in peace. A bit sad to see him go, certainly he is a good person with solid abilities.

He has very good skills at managing individual contracts and salaries within the salary cap. Don't think there was a single issue over his entire time with us on this front. If anything, he was always underrated on this by us.

But maybe don't get your hopes too high on his ability to drive a hard bargain at the trade negotiating table though.

Which trades do you feel he failed to get good value?

 

[Ichabod Noodle]

I haven't posted on the main board in months. I had to check and the last post was September 24.

So I seriously have no idea what you think you saw on the main board.

What is this alleged post of mine that you are talking about?

Usual plastic no history crap. Your posting history won’t show it because it was deleted. Nice effort at deflection though.

Cake, you can’t eat it and still have it after.

 

[Bont2Bruce]

Usual plastic no history crap. Your posting history won’t show it because it was deleted. Nice effort at deflection though.

Cake, you can’t eat it and still have it after.

I haven't posted anything on the main board, let alone had it deleted. You are pathetic for inventing this work of fiction.

 

[Snookers]

I did not say anything about keeping me happy. I just expressed my opinion on a missed opportunity. The personal abuse you think is warrented sending my way is interesting. I guess that's your go-to for people with an opinion that doesn't match yours. Fair enough. I'm not a parent, I am just a football supporter with my opinion.
I feel that having kids on a rookie list from your academy catchment areas IS a carrot to aspiring young boys, and a strong one. And one that comes with no downside. But again, it's just an opinion, and I am sure one that you won't agree with, and will likely tell me to "Piss Off".

Personal abuse? Telling you to piss off is personal abuse?

Calling you a brain dead moron, now that is personal abuse. Would pay for you to know the difference between the two.

 

[Orange Agent]

Lake, Stevens, Hrovat probably the main ones.

If this is the worst then I'll be happy. At the time most people had the Lake trade as win/win, cant help what happened later. Stevens cracked the sads over missing a premiership and Hrovat wanted more opportunity. I can raise you Matt Kennedy trade, Marchbank/Pickett trade and James Stewart trade if you would prefer.

 

[Ichabod Noodle]

I haven't posted anything on the main board, let alone had it deleted. You are pathetic for inventing this work of fiction.

Not a work of fiction at all, but I did some checking and it appears there might be (more than probably is) a case of mistaken identity.

You’re Bont2Boyd - there is another poster out there called Bonts2Boyd who has been active on the MB more recently. Seems I missed the little s tucked up in the middle of the username.

Mea Culpa

Please accept my apologies.

 

[Bont2Bruce]

Not a work of fiction at all, but I did some checking and it appears there might be (more than probably is) a case of mistaken identity.

You’re Bont2Boyd - there is another poster out there called Bonts2Boyd who has been active on the MB more recently. Seems I missed the little s tucked up in the middle of the username.

Mea Culpa

Please accept my apologies.

Apology accepted.

 

[Bont2Bruce]

If this is the worst then I'll be happy. At the time most people had the Lake trade as win/win, cant help what happened later. Stevens cracked the sads over missing a premiership and Hrovat wanted more opportunity. I can raise you Matt Kennedy trade, Marchbank/Pickett trade and James Stewart trade if you would prefer.

The Stewart trade was particularly bad for you, agreed. but on the flip side, you may have received more than the clubs you traded with got in return when O'Rourke and Hampton left your club though.

The best trade McCartney did for us was for Shane Biggs. Not really something to write home about though. Sure, all of Lake / Stevens / Hrovat were on the way out. But what we got in return compared to what they delivered to their next clubs wasn't equitable. JMac just never seemed to be able to negotiate a hard bargain.

 

[GiantMistake]

Personal abuse? Telling you to piss off is personal abuse?

Calling you a brain dead moron, now that is personal abuse. Would pay for you to know the difference between the two.

Once again, you substitute proper argument for abuse. It's lazy but I guess it probably makes you feel good.

 

[Snookers]

Once again, you substitute proper argument for abuse. It's lazy but I guess it probably makes you feel good.

There is no point arguing with idiots.

They drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.

 

[GiantMistake]

There is no point arguing with idiots.

They drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.

It's amusing that anyone with a different point of view from you is classified as an idiot. I prefer to listen and reason. But it's all good. Plenty of people use abuse to build up low self esteem. In the end you learn to ignore this white noise.

 

[Snookers]

It's amusing that anyone with a different point of view from you is classified as an idiot. I prefer to listen and reason. But it's all good. Plenty of people use abuse to build up low self esteem. In the end you learn to ignore this white noise.

No, not anyone, just you.