List Mgmt. 2018 List Management: Contracts, Trading, Drafting, Academy

[Isaac Cumming No 1]

I think either Lycett or Preuest would only be a target if we're moving Lobb back to the forward line, in which case we're likely giving up on Flynn too as it would lock down both positions for several years.

In that case there's still a gap to fill until Flynn is ready to take over seamlessly from Lobb. I dont think Lobb will be moved from the ruck and hopefully has good seasons in front of him. Maybe Goldstein for a year or two. Possibly Jacob's if he has that left in him.

 

[Sime11]

ill go left field = Shaun McKernan from Essendon - Bellchambers has that #1 spot, I think Mckernan is gettable - but as above posts, we'd definitely have to take a hit to get him....

 

[Danny88]

ill go left field = Shaun McKernan from Essendon - Bellchambers has that #1 spot, I think Mckernan is gettable - but as above posts, we'd definitely have to take a hit to get him....

He is in the same mould as a forward who pinch hits

I’d look at the saints list if we want an established ruck

 

[fridgeman]

I think it is too early to go on a trade for a ruck until we see how Flynn goes and also how the mids go with a developing ruck but I am open to the possible need that the team may need to trade an established ruck but again it would come down to SC
Simpson is definitely on his last legs at AFL level but more due to the changes in the game and the need for more mobility and at 30 before next season starts he could carry on in the VFL as he has been relatively injury free in the NEAFL
Keefe was a strange trade as I thought he would be a ruck/defender but although he has the height he doesn't have the skills or strength of a ruck
I think trying to trade for an established ruck would require more salary cap than the club can spend as they will likely move from being a no 2/3 ruck to the same situation here so the enticement would need to be money/opportunity
From the names mentioned
Goldstein: Cost too much in SC even if North pay some of his salary for a higher draft pick
Preuss: Too much in SC and also why would he leave where next year he would push Goldstein for the no 1 ruck
Lobbe would be an option from the blues for a year 30 in feb and depending on the salary he would accept
Zac Smith I think lacks mobility and effort so wouldn't like the club to recruit him
Lewis Pierce from the Saints is 4th choice behind Hickey/Longer and also Marshall but I am sure someone like the Cats or another Melbourne based team could offer him a better deal
Tom Campbell from the Dogs turning 27 in November could be gettable but depending on SC and if he would move up to Sydney for a likely one year contract with no guarantees of game time and also if he plays NEAFL the club would rather Flynn/Briggs/Richards play ruck
Overall this is a great opportunity for Flynn to come in and experience AFL for 5 games and see how he goes and if he could be a back up ruck next year and the club can make a decision based on that and also how the mids go with himont being as dominant.
I think the club will draft an academy ruck although I would like to see both Briggs and Richards come in that would be unlikely and the club will try and recruit someone for a year but that would come down to SC

 

[Isaac Cumming No 1]

I think it is too early to go on a trade for a ruck until we see how Flynn goes and also how the mids go with a developing ruck but I am open to the possible need that the team may need to trade an established ruck but again it would come down to SC
Simpson is definitely on his last legs at AFL level but more due to the changes in the game and the need for more mobility and at 30 before next season starts he could carry on in the VFL as he has been relatively injury free in the NEAFL
Keefe was a strange trade as I thought he would be a ruck/defender but although he has the height he doesn't have the skills or strength of a ruck
I think trying to trade for an established ruck would require more salary cap than the club can spend as they will likely move from being a no 2/3 ruck to the same situation here so the enticement would need to be money/opportunity
From the names mentioned
Goldstein: Cost too much in SC even if North pay some of his salary for a higher draft pick
Preuss: Too much in SC and also why would he leave where next year he would push Goldstein for the no 1 ruck
Lobbe would be an option from the blues for a year 30 in feb and depending on the salary he would accept
Zac Smith I think lacks mobility and effort so wouldn't like the club to recruit him
Lewis Pierce from the Saints is 4th choice behind Hickey/Longer and also Marshall but I am sure someone like the Cats or another Melbourne based team could offer him a better deal
Tom Campbell from the Dogs turning 27 in November could be gettable but depending on SC and if he would move up to Sydney for a likely one year contract with no guarantees of game time and also if he plays NEAFL the club would rather Flynn/Briggs/Richards play ruck
Overall this is a great opportunity for Flynn to come in and experience AFL for 5 games and see how he goes and if he could be a back up ruck next year and the club can make a decision based on that and also how the mids go with himont being as dominant.
I think the club will draft an academy ruck although I would like to see both Briggs and Richards come in that would be unlikely and the club will try and recruit someone for a year but that would come down to SC

Keefe wasn't a trade he was a DFA, presumably offered close to minimum salary. Pretty clear we picked him up to fill a gap on the list and couldn't afford much. In those circumstances I think he's exceeded expectations by a fair bit. I'm under no illusions he's a star or will ever be one though.

I would prefer him rucking to Lobbe and Campbell though, from what I've seen at least. If cheap and functional is the way to go then Vardy might be an option. I actually liked what I saw of him last year and it might be possible to shake him loose from WC cheap. his future looks very WAFL oriented and he's only 26. WC got him for peanuts to do a job with Nic Nat gone and he did it very well I thought.

 

[fridgeman]

Vardy would be good but contracted too the end of 2020 and the Eagles would want Coniglio in a trade

The SC is why I think the club needs to see how Flynn goes sooner rather than later and the 4-6 weeks is a great opportunity and if he plays well v the Lions keep him in and if not then Simpson can come in for the Hawks maybe

Keefe wasn't a trade he was a DFA, presumably offered close to minimum salary. Pretty clear we picked him up to fill a gap on the list and couldn't afford much. In those circumstances I think he's exceeded expectations by a fair bit. I'm under no illusions he's a star or will ever be one though.

I would prefer him rucking to Lobbe and Campbell though, from what I've seen at least. If cheap and functional is the way to go then Vardy might be an option. I actually liked what I saw of him last year and it might be possible to shake him loose from WC cheap. his future looks very WAFL oriented and he's only 26. WC got him for peanuts to do a job with Nic Nat gone and he did it very well I thought.

 

[Determinant]

Our mids are good enough to shark the oppositions ruck and have done so successfully on multiple occasions, last game 2nd half a case in point.
Unless the ruck is a dominant player we are potentially better off with someone who plays a more standout role somewhere else and at least provides a contest in the ruck.

 

[Isaac Cumming No 1]

Vardy would be good but contracted too the end of 2020 and the Eagles would want Coniglio in a trade

The SC is why I think the club needs to see how Flynn goes sooner rather than later and the 4-6 weeks is a great opportunity and if he plays well v the Lions keep him in and if not then Simpson can come in for the Hawks maybe

This year Flynn gets games no problem.

Cogs obviously not on the table. AFL website is suggesting we should go for McInnes who might be their third choice. That's why I think he might be gettable. Problem is he'd be number 2 with us and possibly three depending on Flynn. He did play 22 games last year and that's pretty durable.

 

[Isaac Cumming No 1]

I asked on the Eagles board and they suggested Sam Taylor for Vardy. I see some merit as tall backs are a strength on our list.
Just where the club sees Taylor's ceiling I guess, and if we could manage the salary difference. Vardy not worth millions but more than a rookie contract.
It is just a hypothetical for discussion.

 

[Giant Strides]

Nathan Vardy. Selected at pick #42 in 2009. Played 25 games in 7 years. Traded to West Coast for pick #72. Played 22 games last year because all of the WCE ruckmen got injured, but not seen this year. I won't dispute that he would seem to be a more-than-adequate backup ruckman; but I really don't see GWS trading a player from a second round pick (and Taylor looks like he could be a very good player) for a backup ruck. The usual, 'spud for gold' trade dream from WCE posters.

 

[Danny88]

Nathan Vardy. Selected at pick #42 in 2009. Played 25 games in 7 years. Traded to West Coast for pick #72. Played 22 games last year because all of the WCE ruckmen got injured, but not seen this year. I won't dispute that he would seem to be a more-than-adequate backup ruckman; but I really don't see GWS trading a player from a second round pick (and Taylor looks like he could be a very good player) for a backup ruck. The usual, 'spud for gold' trade dream from WCE posters.

Agree that’s hugely skewed

Taylor will play 150 games

I’d like it to be for us

 

[Determinant]

Nathan Vardy. Selected at pick #42 in 2009. Played 25 games in 7 years. Traded to West Coast for pick #72. Played 22 games last year because all of the WCE ruckmen got injured, but not seen this year. I won't dispute that he would seem to be a more-than-adequate backup ruckman; but I really don't see GWS trading a player from a second round pick (and Taylor looks like he could be a very good player) for a backup ruck. The usual, 'spud for gold' trade dream from WCE posters.

Whilst agreeing 100%, Vardy has been injured pretty much all year, thus the no games, he plays ahead of McInnes every day of the week otherwise.
Regardless he is the wrong profile, if we were to be in that market it should be for a guy with 12 to 24 months left in the game, and he should cost pick 86.

 

[fridgeman]

Interesting the discussion on KPDs at the club and if you look at the moment those who do play in the position or can transition there with there ages at the start of next season, I think it is a near certainty that Mohr retires at the end of the year and I can't see Keefe getting another contract and I am thinking one of HH or Tomlinson is traded at the end of the year but that is more due to SC and I think the team would work better with only one of them in the team. Depending on how he feels about playing NEAFL I would like Stein to get another contract for next year

Mohr 30
Davis 28
Keefe 28
Haynes 26
Tomlinson 25
Stein 25
Buntine 25
Corr 24
TOJ 23
HH 22
Taylor 19

Also as well as Corr being among one of the surprises of the year I also want to say how well Sam Reid has been playing for him to have only missed one game this year he is a strong possibility to earn a contract for next year

 

[fridgeman]

Vardy would be a good pick up for needs but as a contracted player he would be unlikely to want to move across the country again and also the cost for the trade of a contracted player for the Eagles to be interested and also salary for the player to be interested in moving would be too much

 

[Isaac Cumming No 1]

Interesting the discussion on KPDs at the club and if you look at the moment those who do play in the position or can transition there with there ages at the start of next season, I think it is a near certainty that Mohr retires at the end of the year and I can't see Keefe getting another contract and I am thinking one of HH or Tomlinson is traded at the end of the year but that is more due to SC and I think the team would work better with only one of them in the team. Depending on how he feels about playing NEAFL I would like Stein to get another contract for next year

Mohr 30
Davis 28
Keefe 28
Haynes 26
Tomlinson 25
Stein 25
Buntine 25
Corr 24
TOJ 23
HH 22
Taylor 19

Also as well as Corr being among one of the surprises of the year I also want to say how well Sam Reid has been playing for him to have only missed one game this year he is a strong possibility to earn a contract for next year

How is Corr a surprise?

 

[fridgeman]

How is Corr a surprise?

Always though the CHB spot would be between him and Tomlinson and he has carried on from last year and although not outstanding numbers he has been solid and is becoming more dependable

 

[Isaac Cumming No 1]

Always though the CHB spot would be between him and Tomlinson and he has carried on from last year and although not outstanding numbers he has been solid and is becoming more dependable

To me, with Marchbank, he was a very promising KPD in 2015. He spent time out injured and eventually got healthy, and worked his way back into the team and form. He progressed last year and finished as either our best defender or second to Davis. He's continued that form this year.

I for one am really not surprised.

 

[Ichabod Noodle]

Why would we look at another ex-Geelong back-up ruckman who couldn’t get a game at Geelong because of a string of injuries. Just keep big Daws.

 

[Isaac Cumming No 1]

Why would we look at another ex-Geelong back-up ruckman who couldn’t get a game at Geelong because of a string of injuries. Just keep big Daws.

Vardy did perform well for a full season last year but
now we've decided to play him, yep. Just hope it's not a single game. If he plays well then we're in a much better place later on making a decision about Rory's fitness, and whether to bring him in. If not there's a lot of pressure to get Rory back as soon as it's safe for him to play.
We need the big fella to seize this opportunity I think.

 

[Andre the Giant]

Anybody that thinks there is merit in trading Sam Taylor for Nathan Vardy is either a West Coast supporter or needs to be committed to a Mental Hospital immediately.

Taylor will end up the best defender on our list.

 

[Danny88]

Interesting the discussion on KPDs at the club and if you look at the moment those who do play in the position or can transition there with there ages at the start of next season, I think it is a near certainty that Mohr retires at the end of the year and I can't see Keefe getting another contract and I am thinking one of HH or Tomlinson is traded at the end of the year but that is more due to SC and I think the team would work better with only one of them in the team. Depending on how he feels about playing NEAFL I would like Stein to get another contract for next year

Mohr 30
Davis 28
Keefe 28
Haynes 26
Tomlinson 25
Stein 25
Buntine 25
Corr 24
TOJ 23
HH 22
Taylor 19

Also as well as Corr being among one of the surprises of the year I also want to say how well Sam Reid has been playing for him to have only missed one game this year he is a strong possibility to earn a contract for next year

Do you have access to SC data that I don't? We can't be in the practise of trading contracted players out as a matter of course. Tomlinson and HH are both contracted talls. If we traded them we would get maybe a second rounder. I don't think we should be trading either of them at all and am baffled that your reason for doing so is related to salary cap information that isnt shared with the general public

 

[fridgeman]

Do you have access to SC data that I don't? We can't be in the practise of trading contracted players out as a matter of course. Tomlinson and HH are both contracted talls. If we traded them we would get maybe a second rounder. I don't think we should be trading either of them at all and am baffled that your reason for doing so is related to salary cap information that isnt shared with the general public

Just my opinion and still half the season to go so at the moment But from the first half of the season I think one of there salaries would be better spent making sure Taranto and Kelly stick around the club and also some of the younger players Although most of the contracts are already set for next year not sure how they factor the payments in but not an easy job
And again we don’t have all the information so purely some speculation on my part

 

[Colonial]

Legend!

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[Sime11]

and that's why I love this guy!!!

although some opposition fan will find something to bring this guy down, he's a grubby player etc blah blah blah

Toby Fn Greene !!!!!! Legend

 

[toxic]

Nathan Vardy. Selected at pick #42 in 2009. Played 25 games in 7 years. Traded to West Coast for pick #72. Played 22 games last year because all of the WCE ruckmen got injured, but not seen this year. I won't dispute that he would seem to be a more-than-adequate backup ruckman; but I really don't see GWS trading a player from a second round pick (and Taylor looks like he could be a very good player) for a backup ruck. The usual, 'spud for gold' trade dream from WCE posters.

Is Tom Nicholls from GC worth chasing?

Cost about 12cents

2 years ago was flying