Martin set the bar so high last year he was always going to struggle to match it again.
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Agree with this. Has had a good season, but last few games his kicking has been generally poor. Could not believe he got votes in one of the papers. Edit: Got 5 coaches votes as well.... what do we know.Yeah he was shocking against GWS. Did some nice things but butchered it all day.
Mitchell, Macrae, Cripps, Fyfe, Oliver, Sidebottom, Gaff, Higgins, Beams, Dangerfield, Pendelbury, Selwood, GreyRubbish. He’s had a great season.
Let’s say there are 12 mids (with 2 being HFF/mid) in the side, name that number that have been substantially better.
He’s had a better season than you think.
Mitchell, Macrae, Cripps, Fyfe, Oliver, Sidebottom, Gaff, Higgins, Beams, Dangerfield, Pendelbury, Selwood, Grey
Can anybody remember a more open All Australian team to this point in the season?
There's Ben Brown, then every other bloke seems to be up for debate.
The reactions are going to be excellent. I just hope Joel Selwood makes it, mostly so I can laugh and somebody can get 100+ likes by posting "It's official, the All Australian Team is a joke"
Selwood deserves it this season. Would have no issues with him making it
Can anybody remember a more open All Australian team to this point in the season?
There's Ben Brown, then every other bloke seems to be up for debate.
The reactions are going to be excellent. I just hope Joel Selwood makes it, mostly so I can laugh and somebody can get 100+ likes by posting "It's official, the All Australian Team is a joke"
He deserved it in 2016 too (last year obviously super dodgy), that didn't stop the complaints rolling in.
He's borderline this year, like plenty of others. I'm not sure which way it will fall. Depends largely on his last 6 weeks and if Geelong make finals.
well if you agree entirely than i dont think we should be arguing lol. yes putting a title. but when youre putting numerous titles, it kind of adds up dont you think? i think we all agree finals and grand finals, are weighted more in a players career right? dusty did that. he also did home and away season. and putting a title on someone performance comes after the analysis anyway. players coaches umps all voted him best player for their respective awards. when a player takes out pretty much all awards there is to offer you gotta admit its something out of the ordinary. you could argue your point for one brownlow medal, but rest of the awards not won, but when you win all, well then you gotta give the guy creditYou said Dusty's 2017 was better than Danger's 2016. I can screenshot it if you want.
You are completely missing my point. I'm not arguing who performed better - as I said to a poster who actually replied with proper breakdown, I'm not going to claim Dangerfield had a better 2016 than Martin did in 2017. I agree entirely that Martin was probably better.
I'm saying that putting a title next to someone's performance doesn't mean they automatically played better.
Analysis of what they were doing and how they were doing it is far more relevant.
If 17 teams had an Essendon style suspension and someone from the one full-strength team polled 50 Brownlow votes, it wouldn't automatically make them the best performed player in a home and away season.
True, they've both had statistically good years too but the proof is in the W/L column. This has probably been Selwood's best year since 2013/14Dangerfield and Selwood probably aren't getting as much press because Geelong aren't traveling as well. 9-7 and clinging onto 8th on % from Hawthorn and North who no one rated going into the season. This time last year the Cats were in the top 2.
B: Hurn, Rance, Stewart HB: Laird, McGovern, Sicily C: Gaff, Mitchell, Sidebottom HF: Hogan, Franklin, Gray F: Breust, B.Brown, Riewoldt RR: Gawn, Cripps, Higgins INT: Grundy, Macrae, Yeo, Oliver What do you guys think? Who deserves to be not on the team and who should be the replacement?
Gathered from pro stats and ranked from hitouts to advantage per game. Omitted Simpson as he's only played 6 games. Made it a top 6 as Martin has had a fantastic season so felt he should be included.
Gawn
74.1 Ruck contests
46.4 Hitouts
16.5 Hitouts to advantage
62.6% Hitouts win percentage
35.6% Hitouts to advantage percentage
Sandilands
60 Ruck contests
40.5 Hitouts
14.3 Hitouts to advantage
67.6% Hitouts win percentage
35.2% Hitouts to advantage percentage
Bellchambers
66.5 Ruck contests
31.3 Hitouts
11.9 Hitouts to advantage
47% Hitouts win percentage
38% Hitouts to advantage percentage
Grundy
69.1 Ruck contests
37.8 Hitouts
11.7 Hitouts to advantage
54.7% Hitouts win percentage
31% Hitouts to advantage percentage
Goldstein
72.1 Ruck contests
36.9 Hitouts
11.4 Hitouts to advantage
51.2% Hitouts win percentage
31% Hitouts to advantage percentage
Martin
67.8 Ruck contests
34.9 Hitouts
10.6 Hitouts to advantage
51.6% Hitouts win percentage
30.4% Hitouts to advantage percentage
What's Natanui's statsGathered from pro stats and ranked from hitouts to advantage per game. Omitted Simpson as he's only played 6 games. Made it a top 6 as Martin has had a fantastic season so felt he should be included.
Gawn
74.1 Ruck contests
46.4 Hitouts
16.5 Hitouts to advantage
62.6% Hitouts win percentage
35.6% Hitouts to advantage percentage
Sandilands
60 Ruck contests
40.5 Hitouts
14.3 Hitouts to advantage
67.6% Hitouts win percentage
35.2% Hitouts to advantage percentage
Bellchambers
66.5 Ruck contests
31.3 Hitouts
11.9 Hitouts to advantage
47% Hitouts win percentage
38% Hitouts to advantage percentage
Grundy
69.1 Ruck contests
37.8 Hitouts
11.7 Hitouts to advantage
54.7% Hitouts win percentage
31% Hitouts to advantage percentage
Goldstein
72.1 Ruck contests
36.9 Hitouts
11.4 Hitouts to advantage
51.2% Hitouts win percentage
31% Hitouts to advantage percentage
Martin
67.8 Ruck contests
34.9 Hitouts
10.6 Hitouts to advantage
51.6% Hitouts win percentage
30.4% Hitouts to advantage percentage
What's Natanui's ruck stats?Gathered from pro stats and ranked from hitouts to advantage per game. Omitted Simpson as he's only played 6 games. Made it a top 6 as Martin has had a fantastic season so felt he should be included.
Gawn
74.1 Ruck contests
46.4 Hitouts
16.5 Hitouts to advantage
62.6% Hitouts win percentage
35.6% Hitouts to advantage percentage
Sandilands
60 Ruck contests
40.5 Hitouts
14.3 Hitouts to advantage
67.6% Hitouts win percentage
35.2% Hitouts to advantage percentage
Bellchambers
66.5 Ruck contests
31.3 Hitouts
11.9 Hitouts to advantage
47% Hitouts win percentage
38% Hitouts to advantage percentage
Grundy
69.1 Ruck contests
37.8 Hitouts
11.7 Hitouts to advantage
54.7% Hitouts win percentage
31% Hitouts to advantage percentage
Goldstein
72.1 Ruck contests
36.9 Hitouts
11.4 Hitouts to advantage
51.2% Hitouts win percentage
31% Hitouts to advantage percentage
Martin
67.8 Ruck contests
34.9 Hitouts
10.6 Hitouts to advantage
51.6% Hitouts win percentage
30.4% Hitouts to advantage percentage
What's Natanui's stats
What's Natanui's ruck stats?
Evidently, not in the top 6. But that certainly doesn't define his influence on a game.
True, they've both had statistically good years too but the proof is in the W/L column. This has probably been Selwood's best year since 2013/14
Cotchin is having a very average year. 6 games with under 20 possessions and no impact on the game is too much.Probably Yeo out and Cotchin in, McGovern also hasn't had a great year but Sicily getting injured probably opens up that spot more. Robbie Tarrant maybe?
Cotchin is having a very average year. 6 games with under 20 possessions and no impact on the game is too much.
He was anonymous in at least 6 games.Total possessions is such a useless stat by itself. Look at the whole picture
He was anonymous in at least 6 games.
I agree total stats are useless in isolation but when a midfielder is getting 14 or 15 touches in a game they are having very little influence in the game
B: Hurn, Rance, Stewart HB: Laird, McGovern, Sicily C: Gaff, Mitchell, Sidebottom HF: Hogan, Franklin, Gray F: Breust, B.Brown, Riewoldt RR: Gawn, Cripps, Higgins INT: Grundy, Macrae, Yeo, Oliver What do you guys think? Who deserves to be not on the team and who should be the replacement?
Gray shouldnt make it this year. Averaging 21 touches due to spending most of the year up forward. Also has only 25 goals so will struggle to kick 40. So doesnt get in as a forward or mid this year.
Gray has barely played in the middle. Only averaging 21 touches and less than 2 goals a game. Doesnt get in for mine.Mitchell, Macrae, Cripps, Fyfe, Oliver, Sidebottom, Gaff, Higgins, Beams, Dangerfield, Pendelbury, Selwood, Grey