List Mgmt. 2018 Trade, Free Agency & Draft thread

[Smoocher]

Lynch is free agent. Collingwood need to give up nothing.

Nothing surer than Suns matching the offer and forcing a trade for two first rounders.


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[The Nostradamus]

Nothing surer than Suns matching the offer and forcing a trade for two first rounders.


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If suns match I reckon he stays

Not worth trading for what they would want

To sidetrack the beauty of Dahlhaus is that he is an unrestricted free agent the best one this year imo so we just need to make him choose us, get him and keep our picks

 

[Tas]

This thread is a horror show, especially talk of taking Mayne.

 

[Firestarter]

This thread is a horror show, especially talk of taking Mayne.

I don't (want to) remember that...

 

[blackshadow]

This thread is a horror show, especially talk of taking Mayne.

Mayne, Dahlhaus... Eeek!

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[Benno_900]

North offers 1st round pick only but also takes Mayne as part of the deal to alleviate Collinwoods Cap issues

You forgot the part where we delist Mayne immediately.

 

[Firestarter]

I don't want him being the Mayne event of our trade period.

 

[Benno_900]

I was thinking potentially Durdin or Wood being involved in a trade for De Goey.

You know what... it may not be until Wood leaves the club that we realise how good this guy is.

Would not do it as a straight swap. They can have Durdin or Nielson or both.

 

[B4Bear]

Degoey is a gun.

Collingwood wants Lynch.

Collingwood has salary cap issues.

Collingwood will need 2 first round picks for Lynch.

Degoey is worth a first round and second round pick.

North offers 1st round pick only but also takes Mayne as part of the deal to alleviate Collinwoods Cap issues.

Win Win


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Why Mayne? Can’t we afford real witches hats? This sucks being a ‘pov’ club.


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[Sheezel2Wardlaw]

Cam Guthrie could be our next Shaun Higgins.
Think Cam could develop into an a grader but has had some injury troubles throughout his career.
Can play middle, half back, half forward and he kicks goals.
He turns 26 later on this year, has played 131 games and his a free agent at years end although restricted.
A bigger contract, more coin and more midfield minutes might get him over the line.
Thoughts?

 

[The Nostradamus]

Cam Guthrie could be our next Shaun Higgins.
Think Cam could develop into an a grader but has had some injury troubles throughout his career.
Can play middle, half back, half forward and he kicks goals.
He turns 26 later on this year, has played 131 games and his a free agent at years end although restricted.
A bigger contract, more coin and more midfield minutes might get him over the line.
Thoughts?

I like him and he is versatile which I like

Since he is a free agent I'd be keen

 

[Rooboys Rool]

I've done another of my ridiculously long fantasy end of year trade scenarios below, so please skip this if you're not into it.

Based on us looking like finishing higher than originally anticipated and the odds of Thomas going very early getting shorter, I've had a crack at trading our first out for an established player. Then taking Thomas, Scott and Crocker, which means moving on some players with currency in order to achieve the required points. Also going hard for free agent midfielders - anyone who will still be on the list by 2021 I've considered.

The draft picks in the trades are based on my ladder predictor and last year's trades of 2018 picks, so you'll just have to trust me on those. I now have us finishing 8th, so we start with picks 11, 29, 39 (StK), 46 (WC), 65, 83 & 101.

Trade 1 - Hrovat improves, but we see other players overtaking him. Carlton still has more need for players with solid scoring involvements and can pick up Hrovat for basically nothing. Hrovat and picks 83 & 101 to Carlton for pick 68.

Trade 2 - Adelaide lose Sloane to free agency and are looking for a midfielder to replace him. Dumont has improved again this year, but we see other players overtaking him, so we send him home for Adelaide's pick 37.

Trade 3 - We pull off a huge coup, landing Wines and pick 47 from Port Adelaide at the cost of picks 11, 29 & 68. Wines equivalent to pick 6.

Trade 4 - Mountford continues to improve, but seeks a trade home. We trade Mountford to West Coast for pick 64.

Trade 5 - Goldy has a good year, but we decide Preuss is the future and move Goldy on. Geelong look for a better ruck to make the most of their midfield whilst they still have it. We trade Goldy to Geelong for picks 50 & 54. Goldy equivalent to pick 36.

After those trades we have picks 37, 39, 46, 47, 50, 54, 64 & 65, which have 2,260 points attached. However we are going to the draft needing only 3 picks, so we do a range of picks swaps to reduce that. I did a handful of trades, which I won't bother listing here, that turned these 8 picks into picks 20, 28 & 34, which have 2,131 points attached. In the draft, I worked on Thomas, Scott and Crocker being bid on at picks 7, 24 & 53 respectively. After discounts, the points required on those bids is 2,130. So we pick up all 3 without any deficits carrying over into 2019.

Free agency 1 - We pick up Sloane from Adelaide. Whilst it would be great if he were a year or two younger, he still has plenty of good football left in him - we offer him a 4 year contract and he's still only 32 in the last year of that contract (2022). Is also a leader and would be a great addition to the club.

Free agency 2 - We pick up Gaff from West Coast. Whilst our outside run has improved, it still needs further improvement and Gaff has shown this year he is a high quality footballer.

We also upgrade Zurhaar, with Waite retiring, and Morgan and Watson being delisted. Watson is unlucky due to his injury, so we may re-rookie him.

In all, our 2018 list movements are:
Out: Waite (retire), Morgan and Watson (delisted), Hrovat, Dumont, Mountford & Goldstein (traded)
In: Wines, Sloane, Gaff, TT, Scott, Crocker and Zurhaar. Also a rookie x 1, replacing Zurhaar's promotion to the main list, possibly Watson. Assuming no other team takes McGuinness and Mansell in the national draft, we should also pick them up as Cat B rookies (although not sure how many of these we can have, because that's 3 including Jeffries).

Onto salary cap space. We offered Dusty $1.3m and Kelly $1.0m p.a. So I'm assuming we have that space available in the four years 2019-22. We have also been amending/extending contracts to bring forward salaries into 2018. So I'm going to assume we've added ~$500k to the future salary cap space - i.e. we have $2.8m in cap space for 2019-22. I'm going to offer $1m of that to each of Wines and Sloane, and $800k to Gaff. That's that $2.8m gone, but with Goldy, Waite and Dumont, that will make another $1.3m available, which is enough to land Kelly at the end of 2019.

Our 2019 side looks like this (with Kelly added to the 2020 side):

B: EVW - Tarrant - M Williams
HB: Thompson - McKay - Wright
C: McDonald - Wines - Gaff
HF: Garner - Wood - Higgins
F: Atley - Brown - Ziebell
Foll: Preuss - Sloane - Cunnington
Int: LDU - Macmillan - Jacobs - Simpkin
Emerg: Ahern - Hartung - Turner
Depth: Thomas - Scott - Anderson - Clarke - Durdin - Hibberd - Walker - Zurhaar - Hayden - J Williams - Daw - Murphy - Hartung - Nielson - Crocker - Larkey - Junker - Xerri - Narrier - Jeffries - Watson - McGuinness - Mansell

TLDR - We win the first ever premiership five-peat 2019-23.

 

[Snake_Baker]

Thoughts?

Don't see anything approaching Higgins ability in Guthrie.

 

[Snake_Baker]

Everyone 27 and over is not a part of our future and therefore should be cleaned out and upgraded.

Trade 1 - Higgins has to retire. He's too old and needs to step aside for Will Walker. Maybe we could get a 3rd round pick for him.

Trade 2 - Trade Robbie Tarrant. I get that he's in the AA squad this year, but at 29 he's just too old. Trade him to StKilda for pick 2.

Trade 3 - Things warm up now, we offer pick 2 to Adelaide for BOTH the Crouch brothers. The Crows will want to get Lukosious.

Trade 4 - Josh Williams comes from Queensland, so naturally he hates living in Melbourne. However the Suns would love his eye catching pace and line breaking speed. We trade him for GC's pick 22.

Trade 5 - Xerri should be promoted to the seniors asap. He is the future. We bundle up Preuss & Goldstein and send them to Carlton for pick 1, which we use to get Walsh

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Trade 743 - Kyron Hayden is homesick, so is Mountford, we bundle both of them up with Mason Wood to Freo and get Fyfe in return.

B: Davies-Uniake, Rankine, Josh Kelly
HB: M. Crouch, N Fyfe, B. Crouch
C: S. Hill, S. Walsh, B. Hill
HF: T. Xerri, L. Franklin, D. Nielsen
F: A. Allir, M. Daw, T. Lynch
R: B. Hartung, A. Morgan, N. Larkey
I: D. Watson, Vickers-Willis, T. Jeffries, B. Harvey

My supercoach team will now kick arse!

 

[MagicDaw]

Everyone 27 and over is not a part of our future and therefore should be cleaned out and upgraded.

Trade 1 - Higgins has to retire. He's too old and needs to step aside for Will Walker. Maybe we could get a 3rd round pick for him.

Trade 2 - Trade Robbie Tarrant. I get that he's in the AA squad this year, but at 29 he's just too old. Trade him to StKilda for pick 2.

Trade 3 - Things warm up now, we offer pick 2 to Adelaide for BOTH the Crouch brothers. The Crows will want to get Lukosious.

Trade 4 - Josh Williams comes from Queensland, so naturally he hates living in Melbourne. However the Suns would love his eye catching pace and line breaking speed. We trade him for GC's pick 22.

Trade 5 - Xerri should be promoted to the seniors asap. He is the future. We bundle up Preuss & Goldstein and send them to Carlton for pick 1, which we use to get Walsh

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Trade 743 - Kyron Hayden is homesick, so is Mountford, we bundle both of them up with Mason Wood to Freo and get Fyfe in return.

B: Davies-Uniake, Rankine, Josh Kelly
HB: M. Crouch, N Fyfe, B. Crouch
C: S. Hill, S. Walsh, B. Hill
HF: T. Xerri, L. Franklin, D. Nielsen
F: A. Allir, M. Daw, T. Lynch
R: B. Hartung, A. Morgan, N. Larkey
I: D. Watson, Vickers-Willis, T. Jeffries, B. Harvey

My supercoach team will now kick arse!

Don't think you are cutting the list hard enough SB

 

[MagicDaw]

I've done another of my ridiculously long fantasy end of year trade scenarios below, so please skip this if you're not into it.

Based on us looking like finishing higher than originally anticipated and the odds of Thomas going very early getting shorter, I've had a crack at trading our first out for an established player. Then taking Thomas, Scott and Crocker, which means moving on some players with currency in order to achieve the required points. Also going hard for free agent midfielders - anyone who will still be on the list by 2021 I've considered.

The draft picks in the trades are based on my ladder predictor and last year's trades of 2018 picks, so you'll just have to trust me on those. I now have us finishing 8th, so we start with picks 11, 29, 39 (StK), 46 (WC), 65, 83 & 101.

Trade 1 - Hrovat improves, but we see other players overtaking him. Carlton still has more need for players with solid scoring involvements and can pick up Hrovat for basically nothing. Hrovat and picks 83 & 101 to Carlton for pick 68.

Trade 2 - Adelaide lose Sloane to free agency and are looking for a midfielder to replace him. Dumont has improved again this year, but we see other players overtaking him, so we send him home for Adelaide's pick 37.

Trade 3 - We pull off a huge coup, landing Wines and pick 47 from Port Adelaide at the cost of picks 11, 29 & 68. Wines equivalent to pick 6.

Trade 4 - Mountford continues to improve, but seeks a trade home. We trade Mountford to West Coast for pick 64.

Trade 5 - Goldy has a good year, but we decide Preuss is the future and move Goldy on. Geelong look for a better ruck to make the most of their midfield whilst they still have it. We trade Goldy to Geelong for picks 50 & 54. Goldy equivalent to pick 36.

After those trades we have picks 37, 39, 46, 47, 50, 54, 64 & 65, which have 2,260 points attached. However we are going to the draft needing only 3 picks, so we do a range of picks swaps to reduce that. I did a handful of trades, which I won't bother listing here, that turned these 8 picks into picks 20, 28 & 34, which have 2,131 points attached. In the draft, I worked on Thomas, Scott and Crocker being bid on at picks 7, 24 & 53 respectively. After discounts, the points required on those bids is 2,130. So we pick up all 3 without any deficits carrying over into 2019.

Free agency 1 - We pick up Sloane from Adelaide. Whilst it would be great if he were a year or two younger, he still has plenty of good football left in him - we offer him a 4 year contract and he's still only 32 in the last year of that contract (2022). Is also a leader and would be a great addition to the club.

Free agency 2 - We pick up Gaff from West Coast. Whilst our outside run has improved, it still needs further improvement and Gaff has shown this year he is a high quality footballer.

We also upgrade Zurhaar, with Waite retiring, and Morgan and Watson being delisted. Watson is unlucky due to his injury, so we may re-rookie him.

In all, our 2018 list movements are:
Out: Waite (retire), Morgan and Watson (delisted), Hrovat, Dumont, Mountford & Goldstein (traded)
In: Wines, Sloane, Gaff, TT, Scott, Crocker and Zurhaar. Also a rookie x 1, replacing Zurhaar's promotion to the main list, possibly Watson. Assuming no other team takes McGuinness and Mansell in the national draft, we should also pick them up as Cat B rookies (although not sure how many of these we can have, because that's 3 including Jeffries).

Onto salary cap space. We offered Dusty $1.3m and Kelly $1.0m p.a. So I'm assuming we have that space available in the four years 2019-22. We have also been amending/extending contracts to bring forward salaries into 2018. So I'm going to assume we've added ~$500k to the future salary cap space - i.e. we have $2.8m in cap space for 2019-22. I'm going to offer $1m of that to each of Wines and Sloane, and $800k to Gaff. That's that $2.8m gone, but with Goldy, Waite and Dumont, that will make another $1.3m available, which is enough to land Kelly at the end of 2019.

Our 2019 side looks like this (with Kelly added to the 2020 side):

B: EVW - Tarrant - M Williams
HB: Thompson - McKay - Wright
C: McDonald - Wines - Gaff
HF: Garner - Wood - Higgins
F: Atley - Brown - Ziebell
Foll: Preuss - Sloane - Cunnington
Int: LDU - Macmillan - Jacobs - Simpkin
Emerg: Ahern - Hartung - Turner
Depth: Thomas - Scott - Anderson - Clarke - Durdin - Hibberd - Walker - Zurhaar - Hayden - J Williams - Daw - Murphy - Hartung - Nielson - Crocker - Larkey - Junker - Xerri - Narrier - Jeffries - Watson - McGuinness - Mansell

TLDR - We win the first ever premiership five-peat 2019-23.

Like the concept, but maybe a little far fetched......

 

[Snake_Baker]

Like the concept, but maybe a little far fetched......

Lacks complexity.

 

[scooby1279]

Lynch won't be leaving and i find it funny the reports Richmond have offered him $1.5? million a year when they didn't want to pay Martin $1m + but were forced to.

 

[B4Bear]

Everyone 27 and over is not a part of our future and therefore should be cleaned out and upgraded.

Trade 1 - Higgins has to retire. He's too old and needs to step aside for Will Walker. Maybe we could get a 3rd round pick for him.

Trade 2 - Trade Robbie Tarrant. I get that he's in the AA squad this year, but at 29 he's just too old. Trade him to StKilda for pick 2.

Trade 3 - Things warm up now, we offer pick 2 to Adelaide for BOTH the Crouch brothers. The Crows will want to get Lukosious.

Trade 4 - Josh Williams comes from Queensland, so naturally he hates living in Melbourne. However the Suns would love his eye catching pace and line breaking speed. We trade him for GC's pick 22.

Trade 5 - Xerri should be promoted to the seniors asap. He is the future. We bundle up Preuss & Goldstein and send them to Carlton for pick 1, which we use to get Walsh

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Trade 743 - Kyron Hayden is homesick, so is Mountford, we bundle both of them up with Mason Wood to Freo and get Fyfe in return.

B: Davies-Uniake, Rankine, Josh Kelly
HB: M. Crouch, N Fyfe, B. Crouch
C: S. Hill, S. Walsh, B. Hill
HF: T. Xerri, L. Franklin, D. Nielsen
F: A. Allir, M. Daw, T. Lynch
R: B. Hartung, A. Morgan, N. Larkey
I: D. Watson, Vickers-Willis, T. Jeffries, B. Harvey

My supercoach team will now kick arse!

The Carlton Board is ---------->, and the Melbourne Board is <-----------------.

 

[75-77-96-99]

we are balls deep into OLLIE WINES

 

[Snake_Baker]

we are balls deep into OLLIE WINES

Port would certainly be in the market for another top 10ish pick to bundle up with their other picks and snag Lukosious.

 

[MagicDaw]

we are balls deep into OLLIE WINES

Any proof for this?

 

[blackshadow]

Any proof for this?

I really don't want to see photos...

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[Clarke is King]

we are balls deep into OLLIE WINES

I would bloody hope so. Gun.

 

[The Y Factor]

Ok everybody!

Put your crack pipes down and step away from your coffee tables

It's only May