News 2019 Rumour File - discuss rumours here! (Part 2)

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Depends on who did them, CEO or Football Director.
Did Burton answer to the CEO or did he answer to the Board?
And how many times did he bypass the CEO because he was not a football man?
The board meet as a board only soo many times the only one answering to the board is the CEO or CFO

Burton can't wait until all 9 members are there to meet with them

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Unfortunately it seems like Burton was given the message that he was doing well, performing at a high level, and was a very strong employee.

And then, from his perspective he's thrown under the bus.

It's hard to understand how our internal management and communication can be so messed up.
Assuming what people have posted here is even remotely true. Which we have no evidence of.
 

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Just like we had no evidence the camp was an issue and Gov wasn’t happy.

Sometimes you just need to think beyond the club are good operators.
Some are, the ones he was mates with clearly aren't.

Not sure Birdbrain has grounds for suing the club TBH, but I hope he tries.
 

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Unfortunately it seems like Burton was given the message that he was doing well, performing at a high level, and was a very strong employee.

And then, from his perspective he's thrown under the bus.

It's hard to understand how our internal management and communication can be so messed up.
This is all true. The mechanisms of communication were horrendous.
 

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The board meet as a board only soo many times the only one answering to the board is the CEO or CFO

Burton can't wait until all 9 members are there to meet with them

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Should have read closer, ie
"Did he report to the CEO or the Football Director?"
"Did he answer to the CEO or the Board" which would be thru the Football director. who is a board member?"

It's no secret that Burton and Fagan did not see eye to eye. The Question that should be asked is why Fagan could not replace Burton,
This is what happens when witch hunts cause incorrect long term decisions, like the Tippert fallout when the Board removed some of the responsibly from the CEO re Football Dept and gave the Football Director more Power.
 

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Just like we had no evidence the camp was an issue and Gov wasn’t happy.

Sometimes you just need to think beyond the club are good operators.
Problem is I believe the Camp was not the biggest issue we should have looked at, It hid the true issues at the club that were building before the Camp.
Sometimes I wonder if there was no camp would some of these issues have been fixed in 2018, But unfortunate the Camp became the focus and people seemed happy when we departed way with Collective Minds. So we moved into 2019 with no true fixes put in place.
I have found over the years that when Management does not work together the workforce becomes split. with a decline in quality and productivity.
 

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Unfortunately it seems like Burton was given the message that he was doing well, performing at a high level, and was a very strong employee.

And then, from his perspective he's thrown under the bus.

It's hard to understand how our internal management and communication can be so messed up.
I suspect the problem is that the club openly backed Burton throughout 2018 and the narrative that came from the club in 2019 was that "the club had fixed the issues".

From Burton's perspective he would have believed that he had already ridden the wave and was on the other side and I wouldn't be surprised if Burton had been made to believe that he was safe by Roo.

I actually don't blame Burton for feeling scapegoated by this as the club has handled the whole thing poorly.

The reality is that he should have been sacked at the end of 2018, but those in power backed in their mate instead of doing what's best for the club. Then after months of defending him and labelling him as "elite" they suddenly flipped and threw Burton under the bus solely because their hands were forced by the review.

I'd love to know what the fall out of this has been in terms of Roo and Burton's friendship.
 
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That's the thing that interests me.

Externally we know that he was backed in so much to the point it was embarrassing.

I would hope internally there were some scathing reviews and 'coaching' going on - although not sure the Bird would have taken too much on.
Chappo and Rooo would have ensured no bad reviews. Burto was their boy, they were balls deep in him. Burto is right, incompetent people have remained. But it’s those that recruited and backed him that are incompetent, not those from Fagan’s side of the business. Footy was Burto’s sole responsibility under the protection of Rooo and Chappo. Fagan had nothing to do with footy dept at all.
 

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That’s the problem the club faces
The problem that the club will face is if they breached his contract.
There will have been termination clauses. Probably even one stating that he serves to the pleasure of the board.
If he believes that he has been unfairly or unlawfully dismissed and that’s supported by his contract then he’ll have a leg to stand on.

His other legal avenue may be defamation is something was said that damaged his reputation.

I’m not backing the Firepower investor to have done his homework properly on this one.
 
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your preoccupation with the male member is somewhat concerning. Can you please amend your signature, negatively referencing male appendage in a derogatory manner offends me. I’m a male and your continual derogatory attitude is causing me emotional harm. I’m offended, fix up your bad attitude.
 

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I suspect the problem is that the club openly backed Burton throughout 2018 and the narrative that came from the club in 2019 was that "the club had fixed the issues".

From Burton's perspective he would have believed that he had already ridden the wave and was on the other side and I wouldn't be surprised if Burton had been made to believe that he was safe by Roo.

I actually don't blame Burton for feeling scapegoated by this as the club has handled the whole thing poorly.

The reality is that he should have been sacked at the end of 2018, but those in power backed in their mate instead of doing what's best for the club. Then after months of defending him and labelling him as "elite" they suddenly flipped and threw Burton under the bus solely because their hands were forced by the review.

I'd love to know what the fall out of this has been in terms of Roo and Burton's friendship.
no more dual reach arounds from Chappo.
 

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The problem that the club will face is they breached his contract.
There will have been termination clauses. Probably even one stating that he serves to the pleasure of the board.
If he believes that he has been unfairly or unlawfully dismissed and that’s supported by his contract then he’ll have a leg to stand on.

His other legal avenue may be defamation is something was said that damaged his reputation.

I’m not backing the Firepower investor to have done his homework properly on this one.
My initial guess would be this is just another case of Burton thinking nothing is his fault.
 

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The problem that the club will face is they breached his contract.
There will have been termination clauses. Probably even one stating that he serves to the pleasure of the board.
If he believes that he has been unfairly or unlawfully dismissed and that’s supported by his contract then he’ll have a leg to stand on.

His other legal avenue may be defamation is something was said that damaged his reputation.

I’m not backing the Firepower investor to have done his homework properly on this one.
I’m sure that they terminated his contract within the available clause(s) within the contract. Not sure they ever provided any comment either, just that Burto and Campo wont be continuing at the club. It was the media that used a word like ‘sacked’, but it was never a quote from a club employee. Burto has a hell of a hide, he was in control of everything football with his best bud Rooo. Pyke fell or was nudged onto his sword and Campo let go as well, it’s bleeding obvious that the review found most fault lay in the footy dept and specifically a couple of the employees. To try and suggest that Admin was a problem is absolutely ridiculous, but then again, it’s that level of arrogance and ignorance that lost him his job in the first place. Impossible to feel sorry for people like that. It’s no surprise that these elite employees that we’re highly respected in the industry haven’t been snapped up by a competitor yet.
 

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Not sure if this has been mentioned but the rumour is the club is having lots of problems with McAdam again this preseason. Unless he improves be will gone at the end of season, he might be a small chance to go earlier.
 

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I’m sure that they terminated his contract within the available clause(s) within the contract. Not sure they ever provided any comment either, just that Burto and Campo wont be continuing at the club. It was the media that used a word like ‘sacked’, but it was never a quote from a club employee. Burto has a hell of a hide, he was in control of everything football with his best bud Rooo. Pyke fell or was nudged onto his sword and Campo let go as well, it’s bleeding obvious that the review found most fault lay in the footy dept and specifically a couple of the employees. To try and suggest that Admin was a problem is absolutely ridiculous, but then again, it’s that level of arrogance and ignorance that lost him his job in the first place. Impossible to feel sorry for people like that. It’s no surprise that these elite employees that we’re highly respected in the industry haven’t been snapped up by a competitor yet.
Exactly comrade
 

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What nature of problem?
He just can't handle the workloads. Once he's on the field it's fine, it's the Monday to Friday workloads that he just can't adjust to.

I still hold out hope for him, but it looks at this stage we traded out one supremely talented player who doesn't like hard work, for another one.
 

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He just can't handle the workloads. Once he's on the field it's fine, it's the Monday to Friday workloads that he just can't adjust to.

I still hold out hope for him, but it looks at this stage we traded out one supremely talented player who doesn't like hard work, for another one.
so he's psychologically struggling with the requirements, rather than his body letting him down?
 

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so he's psychologically struggling with the requirements, rather than his body letting him down?
Bit of both from what I've heard. The body let's him down which leads to the mindset issues.

The club and players are really rallying around him, but who knows how long he persists.
 

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Bit of both from what I've heard. The body let's him down which leads to the mindset issues.

The club and players are really rallying around him, but who knows how long he persists.
Any idea of how Stengle is going? I had him behind McAdam for the same reasons McAdam now seems to be struggling.

Might have got those 2 the wrong way around.
 

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