Unofficial Preview 2020 Draft Discussion

[TylerDurden]

https://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/north-melbourne-rules-out-trading-pick-2-will-take-strong-hand-to-draft/news-story/f7fb074b17fa426c6c6fcd1887e79987

Dodo offering pick 8 for pick 2.

 

[Rocket72]

There was nothing stopping the lad doing his rehab though.

Rehab through a care plan with a local physio in a regional town is not quite rehab at an AFL club

 

[Billyc]

If our aversion to Hollands (if correct) is based on expert opinion on his knee / running style and the club is not willing to take that risk, so be it. He is a riskier prospect than others.

But I would be disappointed if it was based on a perceived lack of dedication based on a couple extra KGs during lockdown. When we drafted them, Hodge was a fat kid from Colac who knew his way around a beer, and Buddy could not do a single chin up. Conditioning can be taught in an elite environment. Easily. Latent talent cannot be. Hollands has talent others don’t - and that cannot be taught. There’s more than a bit of Hodgey in him.

I now think it will be moot anyway and he will go to North at 2. Id be nervous if he made it to Essendon

 

[The Chad and I]

If our aversion to Hollands (if correct) is based on expert opinion on his knee / running style and the club is not willing to take that risk, so be it. He is a riskier prospect than others.

But I would be disappointed if it was based on a perceived lack of dedication based on a couple extra KGs during lockdown. When we drafted them, Hodge was a fat kid from Colac who knew his way around a beer, and Buddy could not do a single chin up. Conditioning can be taught in an elite environment. Easily. Latent talent cannot be. Hollands has talent others don’t - and that cannot be taught. There’s more than a bit of Hodgey in him.

I now think it will be moot anyway and he will go to North at 2.

The thing is, it's hard to tell if it's a bit of Hodgey or a bit of Billy Nicholls in some of these guys.

 

[Bumps"N"Grins]

Apparently there’s a bad case of Cabinet Fever doing the rounds... eh Bumps"N"Grins

Too right but unlike some on here, after a few I'm a loveable chap.

 

[Billyc]

The thing is, it's hard to tell if it's a bit of Hodgey or a bit of Billy Nicholls in some of these guys.

Lol he ended up in jail right? Nicholls couldn’t kick the ball 55 metres on his non preferred pegs. He was a limited footballer. And ultimately a shithead

 

[Bumps"N"Grins]

There’s a huge difference between not doing your rehab and putting on 2-3 kgs though. I never said that he was / wasn’t doing his rehab just that I didn’t think he looked as bad as some where making it out to be.

I’ve never done and ACL before but I’d assume it’s similar to when you hurt any part of your knee (PCL / MVC / Meniscus etc) in that early on your limited to the amount of conditioning your allowed to do and just mainly focus on the muscles around the knee (repetitive stretching). Outside of hitting the exercise bike and being stuck inside for long periods it most definitely would’ve been challenging. You’d hope the kid had access to a swimming pool to do water work.

Your right in what you say about the lack of cardio options.
Someone on here did have pretty good Intel saying that he hasn't applied himself to his rehab to the same degree as a teammate or friend that did his knee around the same time, this is the kicker for me not so much the Luke Hodge condition he has found himself in.

 

[dermott]

I wouldn’t be surprised if Adelaide or North took Hollands as they both have two first round picks and may take that risk. I also noted in the the interview he commented to the effect he did not expect to be ready to play until circa June “ if everything went well.” In this scenario clubs may decide to draft others this year as there are deemed to be elite mids in next years draft.
From the Hawks perspective, if he won’t play much this year it may be better to pass on Hollands this year if they can get a mid of similar quality next year and a “ready to go” draftee at pick 4 this year.
For the Hawks Hollands is just a riskier pick than any other club in the top 10.

 

[S Rioghal Mo Dhream]

I wouldn’t be surprised if Adelaide or North took Hollands as they both have two first round picks and may take that risk. I also noted in the the interview he commented to the effect he did not expect to be ready to play until circa June “ if everything went well.” In this scenario clubs may decide to draft others this year as there are deemed to be elite mids in next years draft.
From the Hawks perspective, if he won’t play much this year it may be better to pass on Hollands this year if they can get a mid of similar quality next year and a “ready to go” draftee at pick 4 this year.
For the Hawks Hollands is just a riskier pick than any other club in the top 10.

This

 

[rei154]

He’s a small forward, likely to go in the second round of the draft. Winder will most likely be available come pick 24. Whether or not he’s on our radar remains to be seen.

Thanks mate- have you seen much footage of him play?

 

[TylerDurden]

We're not passing on Hollands due to a delayed start to this year. He'd be most likely playing BH anyway.

Club will be looking at this decision as a 10-15 year investment. Initial months mean nothing.

 

[TylerDurden]

 

[Billyc]

There is an excellent resource published on AFL Draft Central's Twitter page - @DraftCentralAus . A very good read on the draft prospects.

 

[jenniferHAWKinS]

Is the predicted 16 month period between games a sign of not working hard enough or not having access to an elite AFL injury rehab programme or somewhere in the middle?

 

[TazHawk15]

On the North board it’s fair to say the vibe and a few who come across as a bit ITK, seem to think Holland’s is their guy.

 

[TylerDurden]

On the North board it’s fair to say the vibe and a few who come across as a bit ITK, seem to think Holland’s is their guy.

Logan. Come on down.

 

[TazHawk15]

Logan. Come on down.

In fact a few North posters are worried the Crows will take Holland’s at 1.

I can’t see it but you are right, if North do go Holland’s then we could be staring at a choice that includes Logan.

 

[Billyc]

Logan. Come on down.

Surely not. If Crows go Thilthorpe, Swans couldn't overlook McDonald. McDonald might not have the most "exciting" tools but with his proven performance as a key forward, it would be highway robbery if he slipped to us at 4. He's the only one I have been confident throughout will not be available to us. We'd pick him in a heartbeat if somehow he was.

 

[Chioli]

Surely not. If Crows go Thilthorpe, Swans couldn't overlook McDonald. McDonald might not have the most "exciting" tools but with his proven performance as a key forward, it would be highway robbery if he slipped to us at 4. He's the only one I have been confident throughout will not be available to us. We'd pick him in a heartbeat if somehow he was.
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It could then get interesting as the Bombers may then change their mind and offer 6,7 for 4 if they really want Logan

 

[TylerDurden]

Surely not. If Crows go Thilthorpe, Swans couldn't overlook McDonald. McDonald might not have the most "exciting" tools but with his proven performance as a key forward, it would be highway robbery if he slipped to us at 4. He's the only one I have been confident throughout will not be available to us. We'd pick him in a heartbeat if somehow he was.

Swans have committed to DGB.

 

[TylerDurden]

Surely not. If Crows go Thilthorpe, Swans couldn't overlook McDonald. McDonald might not have the most "exciting" tools but with his proven performance as a key forward, it would be highway robbery if he slipped to us at 4. He's the only one I have been confident throughout will not be available to us. We'd pick him in a heartbeat if somehow he was.

It could then get interesting as the Bombers may then change their mind and offer 6,7 for 4 if they really want Logan
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I'd still take Logan.

 

[Billyc]

Swans have committed to DGB.

You reckon legit chance of McDonald at 4? Would be an epic steal. While I think Hollands has the most talent and highest upside in the draft, as a proven key forward with no injury history, i'd take McDonald with pick 1 for sure. If he's there at 4, we don't blink.

 

[KermitJagger]

We're not passing on Hollands due to a delayed start to this year. He'd be most likely playing BH anyway.

Club will be looking at this decision as a 10-15 year investment. Initial months mean nothing.

Disagree. If a kid is good enough they'll come in and play, I'd argue if they can't come in and compete reasonably in year 1 they're not what you'd expect from an early pick. Obviously this excludes players who play key positions for obvious reasons, but even then they should be looking at coming into the side and playing a meaningful role.

How many highly rated early picks have become stars without playing consistently in their first year? I can't think of many. Alex Rance

Alex Rance

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maybe, but even then he was Pick 19.

 

[Bugs1977]

Your right in what you say about the lack of cardio options.
Someone on here did have pretty good Intel saying that he hasn't applied himself to his rehab to the same degree as a teammate or friend that did his knee around the same time, this is the kicker for me not so much the Luke Hodge condition he has found himself in.

I'm not too worried about the 'Luke Hodge' type condition (LOL) but if the club see's something there with the knee / leg mechanics than I'll back the clubs call 100/100. The kicker for me has been hearing from Sven multiple times now that he sees a huge issues with the kids mechanics. It's multiple sources now that have reported the lacklustre rehab and I wasn't doubting any of them. All I said yesterday was that the kid didn't look as fat as a lot were making out.

My hope in all this is that Hollands and Thilthorpe are gone before our pick and McDonald falls into our lap. If that scenario occurs than I hope Wrighty bends Dodo over a barrel for picks 6, 7 and 8. I hope he does this even if he has no intentions of trading the pick just to waste DoDo's time

 

[TazHawk15]

Essenscum offering pick 6 and 7 for our pick 4 to snare Logan, is laughable.

Dodo would want us to sweeten the deal by giving them our 2021 1st,2nd,3rd round draft pick plus Jack Gunston

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86kg

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10.6

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and Will Day

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Will Day

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24

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83kg

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17.5

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10.0

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17.5

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10.0

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5.0

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1.0

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and a autographed pic of Clarko holding up the 3 Peat cups.