2020 FA, Draft and Trade HYPOTHETICAL thread...now with new DFA speculation!

[Strapping Young Lad]

A good reference point for picks.

 

[TallyHawk]

We need to be mindful that Gunna and Punky are elite because of their footy smarts, both will play into mid 30’s.

This year was an abomination, we can turn things very quickly without offloading these two stars.


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[Mercy Seat]

It'd be sad to lose Gunners if the case, but if the offer is right, we have to entertain it...

 

[rei154]

Gunston discussion far from over. Hawks waiting on whether pies will deal first rounder + something else

Do you think we'd entertain a future first?
Collywobbles have a top 5 locked away next year so I can see them looking to trade out of the first round for immediate value

 

[Bardo State]

Gunston discussion far from over. Hawks waiting on whether pies will deal first rounder + something else

You'd imagine Phillips and Sier are guys they'd be quite willing to put on the table. Stephenson or Mihocheck at a push.

I was about to go into a screed about how their FS/academy kids this year and next could make things work around draft points but don't want to raise the stress levels of mods too much...

 

[Mojo]

nah I honestly believe we need him - lets be totally honest who will kick goals next year - Patton, Lewis, TOB unreliable and not durable enough - you need these senior blokes on each line - there is no way I would trade him - he has a lot of good footy ahead of him

look at suns / GWS full of first rounders but unless you have good A graders around them - you see the results - wasn’t everyone saying when GWS started they will be that good they will win 5 flags in a row - an old coach told me whenI was a kid a champion team will beat a team of champions

That's the question, isn't it? Need him for what?

To keep Hawthorn competitive next year and beyond? To challenge for a premiership? To provide leadership?

There's certainly room for sentiment in AFL. We also have to be cautious how much experience we allow to walk out the door during this fragile transition.

For mine, though.. we only need to look at the blue print of 2003/2004; we traded players of experience (Jade Rawlings, Nathan Thompson, Mark Graham, Jonathan Hay) that held value. Consequently, that action (of attacking the draft) assembled our dynasty from 2008-2015.

 

[Quacker5]

You'd imagine Phillips and Sier are guys they'd be quite willing to put on the table. Stephenson or Mihocheck at a push.

I was about to go into a screed about how their FS/academy kids this year and next could make things work around draft points but don't want to raise the stress levels of mods too much...

word is the conversations are amicable and hawthorn won't entertain unless the right price. 1st rounder + Stephenson or Sharenberg the rumour

 

[The Spirit of Cricket]

word is the conversations are amicable and hawthorn won't entertain unless the right price. 1st rounder + Stephenson or Sharenberg the rumour

how on earth are scharenberg and stephenson equitable as trade pieces?

 

[BIGHAWK23]

how on earth are scharenberg and stephenson equitable as trade pieces?

Well your not getting degoey

 

[The Spirit of Cricket]

Well your not getting degoey

huh

i dont mean relative to gunston, i mean relative to each other

 

[BIGHAWK23]

huh

Meaning if Collingwood were to offer a player in conjunction with a first rounder, they arnt going to add a moore, degoey, grundy (genuine topliners), they will try and upsell pieces that are surplus to their requirements

 

[WWSD]

word is the conversations are amicable and hawthorn won't entertain unless the right price. 1st rounder + Stephenson or Scharenberg the rumour

 

[The Spirit of Cricket]

Meaning if Collingwood were to offer a player in conjunction with a first rounder, they arnt going to add a moore, degoey, grundy (genuine topliners), they will try and upsell pieces that are surplus to their requirements

read my edit

 

[BIGHAWK23]

read my edit

Didnt see the edit, not relative at all, agreed

 

[Blackhawk42]

word is the conversations are amicable and hawthorn won't entertain unless the right price. 1st rounder + Stephenson or Sharenberg the rumour

Huge no to Sharenberg. No more high draft picks from other clubs with suspect knees please!

Stephenson makes perfect sense. Rising star only 2 years ago in a grand final side.
Quick and classy around goals.

He just needs to mature a bit which is absolutely possible at a team like Hawthorn.

My preference is we keep Gunston and he is named captain though.

 

[Gohawthorn13]

Gunston discussion far from over. Hawks waiting on whether pies will deal first rounder + something else

It is over hawthorn aren’t trading him Collingwood have nothing that they are willing to give up that we want and they need their first rounder in case someone bids on their academy player who is predicted to go high in the draft as well. Also Gunston don’t want to leave so that ends it alright there.

 

[Gohawthorn13]

I may be unpopular here, but I'm a big yes if we get great value. We need to inject some youth and unfortuently jack is really one of few players that hold big currency

Inject youth we’ve got plenty of youth and can get plenty of youth without giving up quality players. Picks guarantee nothing.

 

[Gohawthorn13]

We're talking about the same player here? Long kick doesn't equal good.

He was the best player on the ground at halftime of the 08 grand final.so don’t act like he’s a terrible player.

 

[Bardo State]

how on earth are scharenberg and stephenson equitable as trade pieces?

Not at all. There would be a big difference in terms of picks. Scharenberg would be pure steak knives on top of the first round pick. Stephenson would be more interesting.

I was at the 2018 Richmond Vs Collingwood prelim and Stephenson was lethal out of the square. He's not much of a pressure forward but there's so much talent to work with there. Just a matter of whether his problems this year are something that could derail his career long term.

If Gunston were to leave, I'd be gutted but would be excited if we could bring Stephenson in.

Something like

In: Stephenson, Col 2020 1st (likely ~18 after bids), 2020 2nd/3rd

Out: Gunston, NM 2020 second (likely ~ 27 after bids), Ess 2020 3rd (~40)

Gets Collingwood about the same points to match McInness and get Gunston. Hawthorn get Stephenson and into the later part of the first round this year. Finer details about pick swaps probably wildly off.

 

[BIGHAWK23]

It is over hawthorn aren’t trading him Collingwood have nothing that they are willing to give up that we want and they need their first rounder in case someone bids on their academy player who is predicted to go high in the draft as well. Also Gunston don’t want to leave so that ends it alright there.

Thats why you get rid of a first rounder if you have a high academy kid, get a valued asset in, and match the points with later picks, the bulldogs will do the same

 

[Gohawthorn13]

Thats why you get rid of a first rounder if you have a high academy kid, get a valued asset in, and match the points with later picks, the bulldogs will do the same

It will wipe out whole draft hand. Then they’ll have no picks.

 

[BIGHAWK23]

It will wipe out whole draft hand. Then they’ll have no picks.

That depends if we send nothing late back, or they don't do other deals

 

[Gohawthorn13]

That depends if we send nothing late back, or they don't do other deals

Gunston ain’t getting traded unless he asks and he won’t.

 

[Wingnut19]

We all love Gunners but he's 28 and has delivered us 3 flags. If Pies offered their first rounder and a player then we would be mad not to take it. We need a injection of young talent, two firsts, pick 21 and Downie gives us this. We have to remember Sicily is out all year, it's the perfect time to take a step back to go forward.

 

[BIGHAWK23]

Gunston ain’t getting traded unless he asks and he won’t.

Didnt say he was, just discussing possible outcomes

 

[WWSD]

The club hasn’t put Gunston and Breust up for trade. Other club’s of course have enquired about them. If Collingwood want Gunston, they will need to pay premium.