2020 FA, Draft and Trade HYPOTHETICAL thread...now with new DFA speculation!

[Strapping Young Lad]

A good reference point for picks.

 

[killerspud]

Wouldn't like to buy a car from you.

It really depends on who approaches who tbh.

But from a less emotional standpoint, something like

6 and 7 for 4 and 24 is weighted towards us.

Post 4 for 6 and 8 and the bombers board. Guaranteed to get worse than "No f*&%^$^&g way"

Suppose that the crows take Tilthorpe, North take Hollands and Sydney DBG - That leaves us Phillips or McDonald - Now we know the Dodo wants mcDonald - instant Joey replacement to placate the hoards and give them the draft win they so dearly crave. 6 and 8 isn't such a stretch - they still have 7. (and we get Perkins and another pick in the top 10)

If we don't get 2 picks of their 6,7,8 (and I'd want 6 as one of them) then no dice and get your car from elsewhere

and for the record I'd be inclined to take Phillips in this scenario anyway - safe in the knowledge that GC would take McDonald and the Bombers miss out on one of the talked about players in the draft - for them its all about appearances after losing Daniher, Saad, McKenna and Fantasia, they need one of those top names. It's not emotional it's strictly business

 

[nelk boys]

B: Scrimshaw - Hartigan - Hardwick
HB: Impey - Frost - Day
Philips - O'Meara - Scully
HF: Bruest - Patton - Perkins
FF: Worpel - Lewis - Gunston
C: Mcevoy - Mitchell - Wingard
IC: Greaves - Maginness - Henry - Downie

This would include trading out pick 4, 45,46 to Essendon for 6 and 8, which we would get Perkins and Henry. They would be playing majority in the half fwd line, with Perkins going into the midfield.
This is also a youth policy list - Shiels is unlucky yet his body is cooked. Also Silk should have retired last year, he's just taking the place of others.

 

[Strapping Young Lad]

B: Scrimshaw - Hartigan - Hardwick
HB: Impey - Frost - Day
Philips - O'Meara - Scully
HF: Bruest - Patton - Perkins
FF: Worpel - Lewis - Gunston
C: Mcevoy - Mitchell - Wingard
IC: Greaves - Maginness - Henry - Downie

This would include trading out pick 4, 45,46 to Essendon for 6 and 8, which we would get Perkins and Henry. They would be playing majority in the half fwd line, with Perkins going into the midfield.
This is also a youth policy list - Shiels is unlucky yet his body is cooked. Also Silk should have retired last year, he's just taking the place of others.

Severely doubt Essendon will trade two picks just to get a 2 spot upgrade.

 

[Sonny Hayes]

Essendon trade makes no sense, they want McDonald which is why they are rumoured to be keen on 2.

4 won't get them McDonald so they have no incentive to move up.

 

[TylerDurden]

Essendon trade makes no sense, they want McDonald which is why they are rumoured to be keen on 2.

4 won't get them McDonald so they have no incentive to move up.

They may need 1 for Logan mate.

 

[chopflop]

Suppose that the crows take Tilthorpe, North take Hollands and Sydney DBG - That leaves us Phillips or McDonald - Now we know the Dodo wants mcDonald - instant Joey replacement to placate the hoards and give them the draft win they so dearly crave. 6 and 8 isn't such a stretch - they still have 7. (and we get Perkins and another pick in the top 10)

If we don't get 2 picks of their 6,7,8 (and I'd want 6 as one of them) then no dice and get your car from elsewhere

and for the record I'd be inclined to take Phillips in this scenario anyway - safe in the knowledge that GC would take McDonald and the Bombers miss out on one of the talked about players in the draft - for them its all about appearances after losing Daniher, Saad, McKenna and Fantasia, they need one of those top names. It's not emotional it's strictly business

Yeh it is situational. You are right. If we get to pick 4 and McDonald is on the board, Dildoro picks up the phone offering 6 and 8 for 4 and 24 - we absolutely turn around and say add a future second, or leave out 24 and you can have a 4th rounder. Completely agree this would be the play.

I was more saying it depends on who approaches who and in what contexts. If we love Perkins and Henry, more than just Hollands for example. Then we approach with 4 +24 for 6 and 8 and they will likely tell us to get stuffed and ask for more.

It all depends on who wants what, how badly and who blinks first.

I would be stoked if the board went
Thil
Hollands
DGB
-------
Our Pick
-------
Phillips

and Essendon approached us with two of their firsts. I am a Perkins fan and like the upside of Reid a lot (not many 200cm blokes can jump like him and have elite skills and decision making) so yeh, hoping it happens. But doubt

 

[Walshawk]

Our pick 24 and next years third rounder for Collngwood’s 2021 first round.
Pies want to avoid having to use their 2021 first pick on Nick Daicos and we want to avoid the chance of having to use 24 on Downie.
Based on similar ladder positions in 2021, the deal is equal on draft value index.
Thoughts?

 

[I got the outside word]

Our pick 24 and next years third rounder for Collngwood’s 2021 first round.
Pies want to avoid having to use their 2021 first pick on Nick Daicos and we want to avoid the chance of having to use 24 on Downie.
Based on similar ladder positions in 2021, the deal is equal on draft value index.
Thoughts?

Did the rule change for next year that you can’t match a first round bid? Or is that the year after? Or doesn’t apply to father/sons?

 

[WWSD]

Delisted Free Agency period opens tomorrow. Another Henderson or Simpkin would be nice.

 

[S Rioghal Mo Dhream]

So we're not allowed to discuss any hypotheticals that people aren't sure could be pulled off or similar trades that prove that said hypothetical could actually happen?

We can however have people speak all sorts of unrelated subjects (which I don't necessarily have an issue with) across multiple threads and have Essendon DERO's roaming free yelling random dribble.

Great to know that in this day and age our rights to freedom of speach here in Australia resemble those of North Korea

 

[Mitchell54]

Ok so hear me out
Trade Pick 49 to Port for Picks 57 & 59
Trade Pick 46 & Future 3rd to West Coast for Future 2nd
Trade Pick 45 & Both Future 2nds to Collingwood for Future 1st

So now we have pick 4, 24, 57, 59 & 72

Bidding for JUH, Campbell, McInnes & Gulden will take at least 6 picks between them and our picks late in the draft.

Now those become picks 51, 53 & 66 which is enough to bid on anything pick 25 onwards

So we end up with DGB, Ford & Downie + any late picks/rookies/DFA we get.

Move into next years draft with our 1st & Collingwoods 1st.

If Downie gets bid on before our 2nd rounder we line up to trade it to North for their future 2nd as they've been looking for more picks apparently.

So what do we think?
Bit of a wet dream trade scenario.

 

[Hodgey 15]

Are there any potentials out there in DFA land?

 

[TazHawk15]

Are there any potentials out there in DFA land?

Me.

Although I have had no contact from any AFL club.

They might be put off by the fact I retired from footy more than 35 years ago.

I am pissed off that the Handbaggers have not been in contact since I am in their age profile, I was so looking foward to trolling those pricks from within.

 

[Leather Poisoning]

Our pick 24 and next years third rounder for Collngwood’s 2021 first round.
Pies want to avoid having to use their 2021 first pick on Nick Daicos and we want to avoid the chance of having to use 24 on Downie.
Based on similar ladder positions in 2021, the deal is equal on draft value index.
Thoughts?

Collingwood are ripe to plummet down the ladder - I would love their 2021 first round pick

 

[sven_inc]

I'd be interested to follow Tom Phillips

21

Tom Phillips

Age

29

Ht

187cm

Wt

80kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

22.4

5star

K

13.4

5star

HB

9.0

5star

M

5.1

5star

T

2.5

4star

CL

1.6

4star

D

15.1

4star

K

8.5

3star

HB

6.6

4star

M

2.5

3star

T

2.3

3star

CL

0.5

3star

D

16.0

4star

K

9.0

4star

HB

7.0

5star

M

5.2

5star

T

3.0

5star

CL

0.8

3star

' idea on the recent Hawks draft podcast and have a look at his bother Ed. Sounds promising!

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[Bugs1977]

Are there any potentials out there in DFA land?

I'd hope we look at Ryley Stoddart

33

Ryley Stoddart

Age

26

Ht

186cm

Wt

73kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

8.8

2star

K

5.2

2star

HB

3.7

3star

M

1.5

2star

T

1.5

3star

MG

146.3

2star

D

13.0

3star

K

8.0

3star

HB

5.0

3star

M

2.0

2star

T

1.5

2star

MG

214.0

3star

D

7.4

2star

K

3.8

2star

HB

3.6

3star

M

1.4

2star

T

1.6

4star

MG

107.4

2star

. He's only 21 fits our age profile and has some traits that we are lacking (speed and run).

 

[Bardo State]

Are there any potentials out there in DFA land?

I like the idea of bringing in Matt Parker and shifting Walker to the rookie list. Strong tackling 190cm athlete with X factor. Went a goal and three tackles a game in his first full season in 2019, didn't play much in 2020 and still only 24. He rated highly with 1%ers, frees for, assists, pressure acts. The sort of things you see with players who can have an impact with few possessions/goals.

McDonald would be an understandable addition and Skinner/Scharenberg could be worth a risk depending how the Club sees the 45+ range of the draft.

 

[Steven Tyler]

Ok so hear me out
Trade Pick 49 to Port for Picks 57 & 59
Trade Pick 46 & Future 3rd to West Coast for Future 2nd
Trade Pick 45 & Both Future 2nds to Collingwood for Future 1st

So now we have pick 4, 24, 57, 59 & 72

Bidding for JUH, Campbell, McInnes & Gulden will take at least 6 picks between them and our picks late in the draft.

Now those become picks 51, 53 & 66 which is enough to bid on anything pick 25 onwards

So we end up with DGB, Ford & Downie + any late picks/rookies/DFA we get.

Move into next years draft with our 1st & Collingwoods 1st.

If Downie gets bid on before our 2nd rounder we line up to trade it to North for their future 2nd as they've been looking for more picks apparently.

So what do we think?
Bit of a wet dream trade scenario.

If a bid for Downie comes before our pick 24, don’t we have to use pick 24 + others if we want to match?

If so, we’ve essentially wasted pick 24

We need to trade pick 24 first

 

[Billyc]

I'd be interested to follow Tom Phillips

21

Tom Phillips

Age

29

Ht

187cm

Wt

80kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

22.4

5star

K

13.4

5star

HB

9.0

5star

M

5.1

5star

T

2.5

4star

CL

1.6

4star

D

15.1

4star

K

8.5

3star

HB

6.6

4star

M

2.5

3star

T

2.3

3star

CL

0.5

3star

D

16.0

4star

K

9.0

4star

HB

7.0

5star

M

5.2

5star

T

3.0

5star

CL

0.8

3star

' idea on the recent Hawks draft podcast and have a look at his bother Ed. Sounds promising!

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Agree. It remains a weak point on the list. I think he’s a better player than Morrison for example and at worst gives some list depth in that running area

 

[HAWKSBESTEVA]

Ed Phillips averaged 19 touches on 7 games a few years ago when he got a consistent run at it. Worth a look as wing depth for sure. He can play just hasn’t been given a chance at the saints.

 

[S Rioghal Mo Dhream]

If a bid for Downie comes before our pick 24, don’t we have to use pick 24 + others if we want to match?

If so, we’ve essentially wasted pick 24

We need to trade pick 24 first

Considering that Geelong enter this years draft at Pick 59 or something along those lines and also have 3 Second Round Selections next year, I'd be looking to trade them Pick 24 for both Essendon's and GWS's 2021 Second Round Selections.

Surely they'd bite?

 

[S Rioghal Mo Dhream]

Collingwood are ripe to plummet down the ladder - I would love their 2021 first round pick

Wonder if both clubs would be keen on a trade of Picks 4 and 24 in exchange for Picks 14, 16 and Collingwood's 2021 First Round Selection

 

[Bardo State]

Considering that Geelong enter this years draft at Pick 59 or something along those lines and also have 3 Second Round Selections next year, I'd be looking to trade them Pick 24 for both Essendon's and GWS's 2021 Second Round Selections.

Surely they'd bite?

I doubt that. Future picks seem to be going for similar positions in this draft, you wouldn't get 2 seconds. I still think it's worth trading out for one second pick next year. Certainly if a Downie bid came in before our 24 I'd be very happy to swap for Essendon's 2021 second.

 

[S Rioghal Mo Dhream]

I doubt that. Future picks seem to be going for similar positions in this draft, you wouldn't get 2 seconds. I still think it's worth trading out for one second pick next year. Certainly if a Downie bid came in before our 24 I'd be very happy to swap for Essendon's 2021 second.

Yeah would definitely have to be the dopers pick.

 

[Strapping Young Lad]

So we're not allowed to discuss any hypotheticals that people aren't sure could be pulled off or similar trades that prove that said hypothetical could actually happen?

We can however have people speak all sorts of unrelated subjects (which I don't necessarily have an issue with) across multiple threads and have Essendon DERO's roaming free yelling random dribble.

Great to know that in this day and age our rights to freedom of speach here in Australia resemble those of North Korea

Hypotheticals are fine. Always have been.

The page of “I think GWS really wanted McGrath...well I don’t.... we’ll I know Brisbane rated Taranto more...” does not and was removed, and I’m actually perplexed as to how that even needs to be explained.