List Mgmt. 2020 List Management: Contracts, Trading, Drafting, Academy

[Shadow89]

to get you have to give

nothing is for free and no reason for Geelong to feel a sense of entitlement

Tom Lynch.

 

[Orange Agent]

I think once clubs with picks in the top 5 have identified which players they want, trading up further will be a lot easier. If we are after a player tipped to go 6-10 range as well as Green then doing trade with Melb or Adel will be pretty straight fwd as we are no risk to taking the player they want. Its clearly widely known that clubs do discuss this stuff as the accuracy of some Phantom Drafts in the days before are no fluke.

 

[Giant Strides]

Could this be Cumming’s spot?

This year our backline (without talls) often included Shaw, Williams, Reid & Kennedy - plus Perryman (probably in a utility role). I'd expect two of those not to be there in 2021 (and possibly sometime during 2020), while it's possible that Williams gets played in the midfield at times, and Kennedy is perhaps another season or 2 behind that. So for mine there are guys like Cumming and potentially O'Halloran or Hately who could grab an earlier spot. At that draft range I wouldn't expect someone like Smith to come into calculations next season (whereas an Ash or Young would), so I'm just trying to judge where he would stand and whether he would likely be a possible target. Connor Idun another who the recruiters were very bullish about last year - at 191 cms but mobile.

Honestly, I think we have a relatively well balanced squad - just need a couple of the younger guys to take their opportunity and breakout.

 

[Giant Pete]

I still think no one will bid on Green before us.

 

[David C]

You guys think you might bale on pick 6? Melbourne and Adelaide will want way too much to get to pick 3 or 4, and one of Adelaide or Sydney surely bids on Green. Geelong, Gold Coast or Brisbane could provide a nice package of lower first round picks, I reckon GC would offer the best deal with 15 and 20 plus 11 next year available.

 

[PMBangers]

You guys think you might bale on pick 6? Melbourne and Adelaide will want way too much to get to pick 3 or 4, and one of Adelaide or Sydney surely bids on Green. Geelong, Gold Coast or Brisbane could provide a nice package of lower first round picks, I reckon GC would offer the best deal with 15 and 20 plus 11 next year available.

For 15, 20 and next year's 11, yes I think we'd take it if Adelaide and Melburne stand firm

 

[Peel67skin]

For 15, 20 and next year's 11, yes I think we'd take it if Adelaide and Melburne stand firm

I don't think GCS would offer that if your don't return a pick back. Your pick 12 and 18 get you pick 6. I can't see GCS offer future pick 11, 15,20 for pick 6 purely on calculation.

 

[PMBangers]

I don't think GCS would offer that if your don't return a pick back. Your pick 12 and 18 get you pick 6. I can't see GCS offer future pick 11, 15,20 for pick 6.

I don't think it's realistic either, was just responding to the situation put forward to me

 

[jacob17]

Hey guys apologies for the intrusion.
Im doing a mock draft and i have gws as my team.
Ive already picked green and now have pick 40 and a few in the 60s. Just wondering if you have any players linked to your club with later selection and any possible Academy selections apart from green.
Any help would be much appreciated.
Our draft is already up to picks in the 30s.
Thanks in advance

 

[Determinant]

Hey guys apologies for the intrusion.
Im doing a mock draft and i have gws as my team.
Ive already picked green and now have pick 40 and a few in the 60s. Just wondering if you have any players linked to your club with later selection and any possible Academy selections apart from green.
Any help would be much appreciated.
Our draft is already up to picks in the 30s.
Thanks in advance

40 would be BA ideally a halfback who can hit a target, Delahunty is the other academy guy we are wanting, anything else a free hit

 

[jacob17]

40 would be BA ideally a halfback who can hit a target, Delahunty is the other academy guy we are wanting, anything else a free hit

Oh beutiful, thanks D

 

[Colonial]

 

[captainMyCaptain]

 

[PMBangers]

Pick 4 - Thomas Green (NSW/ACT) - GWS Giants
188 cm 85 kg
Midfielder

The comparisons Green has earned himself throughout the year are accurate, Patrick Cripps and Clayton Oliver. Like the two mentioned Green is an imposing size for a midfielder, using his smarts and size to dominate around stoppages and win contested ball. Not really a need or even best available imo but with a good fitness program Green makes for a scary prospect to come against.
Has the size and ability to play from Round 1 but with the GWS midfield depth may find himself in the NEAFL for half a season and come in as an impact player

Strengths: Ball reading, stoppage play, accumulation, inside game, disposal by hand, strength
Room for Improvement: Kicking, Versatility

Pick 40 - Noah Cumberland (QLD) - GWS Giants
183 cm 79 kg
General Utility

One I had pegged for this pick for a while, Noah is a great utility player who has shown potential in every third of the ground. His versatility is a real asset and has been shown with our use of players like Tomlinson Perryman, Reid, Kennedy, De Boer, etc. that Leon likes when a player can fill roles. Athletically gifted and determined I like his dash and long term see him playing as a Back Flanker or Winger, with his aggression and tackling he'll be good in either role. Surprised Brisbane didn't match as I think he's similar to Robinson in many ways, but more than happy with this result

Strengths: Aggression, tackling, speed, agility, contested ball, play reading
Room for improvement: Kicking, accumulation (if used as a rover)

Also considered: Joshua Shute, Flynn Perez

Pick 55 - Liam Delahunty (NSW/ACT) - GWS Giants
192 cm 91 kg
Tall Forward

Delahunty is one that seems to have dropped off the radar for most after a fairly inconsistent year, but remains my favourite pure draft age Tall Forward in the pool. Delahunty uses his elite speed to push off opponents and take marks on the lead and set up team mates in better positions. Averaged 2.2 Goals and 5.6 marks in Nab League this season, which is a good base to work with for a selection this late.

Strengths: Versatility, Speed, Marking, Disposal, Endurance, Agility
Room for Improvement: Consistency, Accumulation

Pick 58 - Joshua Shute (SA) - GWS Giants
187 cm 74 kg
Midfielder

Probably the most suited player to be a pure wing in the draft Shute really impressed me during the U18 carnival, winning high outside ball numbers and often setting up team mates inside 50 he's everything you want in a winger. Still lightly built he'll need a couple of years to develop but I truly believe he has Whitfield attributes with how he uses the ball, which our talls down forward will love.

Strengths: Disposal by foot, workrate, high production for outside player, football smarts
Room for improvement: Inside game, general athleticism

Also Considered: Angus Baker, Lochlan Dickson

Pick 60 - Angus Baker (NSW/ACT) - GWS Giants
191 cm 86 kg
General Defender

My favourite mature aged player as it stands, Angus has been putting up impressive numbers for Canberra this year as an intercept defender so I think he deserves a chance on an AFL list. I have hope that he can learn to play more as a general defender than third tall to fit our structure more, and if he could with his rebounding he'd be a real force at AFL level.

Strengths: Intercept marking, ability to read play, rebounding, accumulation for a pure defender, aerial presence
Room for Improvement: Agility, disposal by foot

Also considered: Lochlan Dickson

All my selections for us so far in the Bigfooty Phantom Draft for those that haven't checked it out, happy to give further explanations if anyone wants, got 1 more pick to go, any particular type of player you'd want to see? I'm a bit stumped for it currently

 

[Giant Strides]

All my selections for us so far in the Bigfooty Phantom Draft for those that haven't checked it out, happy to give further explanations if anyone wants, got 1 more pick to go, any particular type of player you'd want to see? I'm a bit stumped for it currently

Good job on those PMB, I'd be happy if those were the real ones. (Which I don't expect, because we'll either trade ahead of the Green bid or down for better later picks.)

I especially like the Noah Cumberland selection - when we had the chat a few days ago about Brock Smith vs Josh Shute, Cumberland was actually the guy I had in my mind as being a better option than either. To get both would be sweet - but Brisbane would surely match unless it's a ludicrously early bid.

I think in reality we only need to worry about 4 selections, and even possibly only 3 depending on how the whole Green matching situation plays out. Sheridam, Stein & Sproule all easily able to make up later picks if required.

IMHO, the list could do with another tall. Depending on whether you see Delahunty as a forward or back or swingman, we could do with another based on the numbers - but they're generally very debatable pickups late in the draft. Otherwise, another small forward perhaps?

 

[PMBangers]

I especially like the Noah Cumberland selection - when we had the chat a few days ago about Brock Smith vs Josh Shute, Cumberland was actually the guy I had in my mind as being a better option than either. To get both would be sweet - but Brisbane would surely match unless it's a ludicrously early bid.

I had the same thought believe it or not, and in my final phantom have us placing the bid. One I really like and as highlighted in my summary his versatility is something that I can see appealing to us

 

[Wayne Swan]

This would all be wasted if Melbourne bid on Green. There is form with Heeney.

Heeney at 2, next year Mills at 3. Crows have plenty of form bidding on academy & NGA players.

 

[Wayne Swan]

I still think no one will bid on Green before us.

Swans are certainties, put a lot of time into him just in case you guys don't match.

 

[PMBangers]

Pick 82 - Josh D'Intinosante (VIC M) - GWS Giants
177 cm 78 kg
Small Forward/ Midfielder

The Northern Knight is one that has flown under the radar while continuously putting in high performances for someone of his height/position. Finished 2nd overall in the NAB League goal kicking, as well as two top two finishes in the Northern Knights BnF in the past two years, it's obvious this boy has talent and goal sense. Pretty stoked to get him this late, and as much of a cliche as it is "He's much higher in my rankings"

Strengths: Natural footballer, goal sense, forward pressure, scorebaord impact
Room for Improvement: Speed, General Athleticism

Also considered: Josh Gore, James Rowe

To finish off our National Draft picks for the BF Phantom

 

[Orange Agent]

Hey guys apologies for the intrusion.
Im doing a mock draft and i have gws as my team.
Ive already picked green and now have pick 40 and a few in the 60s. Just wondering if you have any players linked to your club with later selection and any possible Academy selections apart from green.
Any help would be much appreciated.
Our draft is already up to picks in the 30s.
Thanks in advance

Tom Sheridan has been told he will be re-drafted, maybe as a rookie if there is someone we like as a late pick.

 

[captainMyCaptain]

Confirmation that we can trade out pick 6 regardless of when a bid comes. In which case as suggested before if we can't move up in the draft order a trade of pick 6 & future 1st for the suns future mid 1st rd and pick 20 from this year might make sense if a bid comes before pick 6.

The AFL has confirmed that under its rules, a club in Fremantle's situation would be able to use its five minutes on the clock to trade picks with another club, move down the order, and then match the Academy bid with a later selection/s.

Get set for draft night drama: Why clubs are holding fire on pick swaps

The interest in a talented Freo-linked forward shows why the big deals might not get done until draft night

www.afl.com.au

 

[dlanod]

Tom Sheridan has been told he will be re-drafted, maybe as a rookie if there is someone we like as a late pick.

Not entirely sold on that.

 

[sydney_gws]

I don't think it's realistic either, was just responding to the situation put forward to me

Afl probably wouldn't want either. We might need to add our 2020 second, or trade 6 for 15,2020 pick 11, gold coast 2020 second rounder.

 

[Ichabod Noodle]

Not entirely sold on that.

Don’t have an issue with rookie-ing him. Picked him up as a DFA and he got injured 5 minutes into his first game, never really got to see what he could bring to the club (apart from sunglasses). Seems to be popular with the players - another year on the rookie list doesn’t really cost us anything and gives him 12 months to show us what he actually has.

I remember thinking DeBoer was a wasted pick - who knows what might happen with Sheridan (even if he is wearing the #11)

 

[Giant Strides]

This article, https://www.afl.com.au/news/2019-11-11/state-of-play-how-the-first-round-of-the-draft-is-shaping-up, is a pretty good summary of where the state of play in regards the draft currently sits IMHO.

I don't think that any major deals will be done before the night, and it's a case of waiting to see what transpires. From GWS' perspective, there's no point handing over a first round 2020 pick to trade places with Adelaide if Melbourne promptly bids on Greene and we've thrown away a first round pick essentially for nothing (we either match for Greene or let Melbourne take him and take whom we want ... but not get both, and have lost a future first round pick). And I don't think that we can tempt (or pay enough) to Melbourne to swap 6 with 3 - and have enough picks/points to pay for Greene when the bid comes.

So, I agree we'll likely have some options ready to go (presuming clubs are willing to do so) and see what happens. If Melbourne does bid on Greene, then it's a backwards bid - Port Adelaide (pretty much reversing the original trade!), Geelong, Brisbane & Gold Coast would all covet pick #6 and provide the points required plus some. If Melbourne doesn't bid, Adelaide may entertain some sort of swap (I wouldn't guarantee it, they may still ask for too much). That's probably the best case scenario - we get someone at #4 (ahead of Greene) that Adelaide doesn't want ... and that they're prepared to hold their breath for at Sydney's intervening pick (or have a couple of even options). If they're unwilling - same backwards pick swap as if Demons bid.

The only swaps I can see us doing before the night is for some extra points with the later picks - maybe, and if someone is willing. Our last two picks currently don't have any points attached, so they're useless & if we can get some extra point-carrying picks I daresay we'll look at that. Best case for that would be Brisbane, who can't use all of their current picks (only 4 live picks but 7 picks with points attached). They are trying to trade some of those into 2020's draft, but if they can't, they may be prepared to trade some later picks for our pick#40. I don't think we can trade any of our later picks if we want to trade our 2020 first rounder in any Greene-related deal. Of course, that leaves us presuming a deal can be done regarding Greene otherwise the trade would be detrimnental to us. So, risk involved.

 

[gee whiz giant]

So it all gets down to how Greene fits. Is he the best fit for a 'hole' in the playing group.
If not secondary considerations might be, (a) an obligation to take an Academy kid, (b) to grow the game in Canberra. (that didn't work for Jack Steele, Josh Bruce).

Say Melbourne bid for him at three.
Do GWS have five minutes, in which to trade pick 6 for more points with lower picks, before nominating they will or won't match? A hectic 5!