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[Shadow89]

to get you have to give

nothing is for free and no reason for Geelong to feel a sense of entitlement

Tom Lynch.

 

[Simmofreo]

I'm sorry, isn't this a massive conflict of interest? What business does the Channel 7 boss have being at a meeting between GWS representatives and Cameron?

Probably is

But I'm sure all clubs do it. And no one knows what he was there for I guess

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[Simmofreo]

Can't say I've ever heard of the Foxtel or Seven Melbourne boss attending a player meeting to influence proceedings. It's not a good look for your club, if that's the kind of crap you have to pull to retain players.

I bet Vic based clubs have deals with big players to get additional pay from TV appearances etc.

If we are talking fairness Do I need to bring up Carlton and a certain Cardboard company during the Chris Judd deal ?

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[Simmofreo]

Yes but that is after the fact. Once a player is under contract, then there's no conflict of interest as there's no other club competing for their services. I'm sure Coniglio has some form of ambassador role that he's paid for, which I have no issue with. I do however, find it extremely odd for a network executive to attend a meeting and offer other deals to sway a decision.

I don't think this is something you should be defending, as it is not a good look for your club and really gives merit to the whole 'Gil's plastic franchise' notion that has come about in recent times. I've always defended this as paranoia and hysteria, but when it's so blatant like it was today, it really does a disservice to the brand of your club.

Lol I'm sorry but that's a dumb thing to say

as far as we know, Jezza has started batting for the other team, and the channel 7 guy is his new partner

Because he was there could mean a million things.

It won't reflect on the club until we know what it was about

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[Shadow89]

Hilarious that the only examples you guys are pulling out, are mostly related to Eddie and the Collingwood Football Club - the most hated, corrupt footy club and President in the whole league. If that's your reference point and thats your standard, then you're not aiming very high.

P.S. If Cameron really was all about the club and its culture, he'd accept the reasonable offer that was put forward to him, and we wouldn't have network executives getting involved in player dealings. I have no problem with him staying, as he's your player. I do however, have a problem with blatant dealings with very high-powered people, influencing proceedings.

As I said, Collingwood is the last club you should be aspiring to. Yes I have an interest, but I would also be saying this if Collingwood were pulling the same crap with Eddie, Channel 9 and all their media incentive bs. There's no doubt he stays now, which was 50/50 anyway beforehand. Now you've made a certainty of it, whilst advertising to the rest of the comp just what it takes to retain your players. That's not how culture is built.

 

[Danny88]

Can't say I've ever heard of the Foxtel or Seven Melbourne boss attending a player meeting to influence proceedings. It's not a good look for your club, if that's the kind of crap you have to pull to retain players.

Disagree with that I actually think it’s a great look for the club. We will do anything to keep you, you matter. Let us help you with life after footy

 

[GWS Goose]

Hilarious that the only examples you guys are pulling out, are all related to Eddie and the Collingwood Football Club - the most hated, corrupt footy club and President in the whole league. If that's your reference point and rhats your standard, then you're not aiming very high.

P.S. If Cameron really was all about the club and its culture, he'd accept the reasonable offer that was put forward to him, and we wouldn't have network executives getting involved in player dealings. I have no problem with him staying, as he's your player. I do however, have a problem with blatant dealings with very high-powered people, influencing proceedings.

As I said, Collingwood is the last club you should be aspiring to. Yes I have an interest, but I would also be saying this if Collingwood were pulling the same crap with Eddie, Channel 9 and all their media incentives bs. There's no doubt he stays now, which was 50/50 anyway beforehand. Now you've made a certainty of it, whilst advertising to the rest of the comp just what it takes to retain your players. That's not how culture is built.

We were responding directly to your comment that you don't see TV executives dealing with players in Melbourne. The very clear example, because it is so obvious is Eddie. It his dealings are far less above board in comparison to what we see here.
The other clubs don't have that lever to pull so they can't. They would if they could.
Whatever connections clubs have they use. Carlton used Richard Pratt's influence as often as they could, sometimes against the rules. The West Coast eagles dangle the WA media carrot. Essendon used the Anzac day match to attract Dylan Shiel, Richmond and Hawthorne before them are getting /have got players for unders as they were in the premiership window.

 

[Danny88]

Hilarious that the only examples you guys are pulling out, are mostly related to Eddie and the Collingwood Football Club - the most hated, corrupt footy club and President in the whole league. If that's your reference point and thats your standard, then you're not aiming very high.

P.S. If Cameron really was all about the club and its culture, he'd accept the reasonable offer that was put forward to him, and we wouldn't have network executives getting involved in player dealings. I have no problem with him staying, as he's your player. I do however, have a problem with blatant dealings with very high-powered people, influencing proceedings.

As I said, Collingwood is the last club you should be aspiring to. Yes I have an interest, but I would also be saying this if Collingwood were pulling the same crap with Eddie, Channel 9 and all their media incentive bs. There's no doubt he stays now, which was 50/50 anyway beforehand. Now you've made a certainty of it, whilst advertising to the rest of the comp just what it takes to retain your players. That's not how culture is built.

Well it’s a good thing your opinion on culture means sweet **** all then isn’t it?

piss off with your high horse morality bullshit

 

[Shadow89]

Well it’s a good thing your opinion on culture means sweet fu** all then isn’t it?

piss off with your high horse morality bullshit

Hey Deledio said the same thing, so it's not only me that's pointing this out. Have to ask why every single player of worth needs to be paid a million to stay.

Realistically, has your club retained anyone of worth, without paying them exorbitant amounts? If that's what you think is gonna create a flag-winning environment, then you only have to look to recent history to see that every club who has won a flag, has done it whilst paying their top players under free-market value.

Can crack the sh*ts at me all you like, but there's no denying that you guys haemorrhage talent every year, but attract no-one coming the other way - except for club discards or fringe players. Now you'll likely lose Williams, Corr, Hately, Caldwell, Langdon and maybe O'Halloran, whilst gaining Preuss. That's not the mark of a 'destination club'

 

[DT_35]

Lol how f****** salty is this Shadow fella? Have a look in your own back yard

 

[MVille Swan]

Realistically, has your club retained anyone of worth, without paying them exorbitant amounts? If that's what you think is gonna create a flag-winning environment, then you only have to look to recent history to see that every club who has won a flag, has done it whilst paying their top players under free-market value.

What, and not one of these self sacrificing premiership players is receiving money outside of their salaries from the club? Really?

 

[Shadow89]

Lol how f****** salty is this Shadow fella? Have a look in your own back yard

Lol that's cool if that's how you see it. Fact remains, that GC drew a line in the sand in 2018, after doing much the same and paying their players extreme amounts to retain them. Money was the only reason they stayed, and it permeated throughout the club. That's what's happening to GWS now.

Off the top of my head, these are all the players in just the past 2 years who GWS have gained/will gain since their initial draft bonanza evened out -

S. Jacobs
Preuss

These are all the players they've lost/will most likely lose:

Z. Williams
Corr
Shiel
Scully
Patton
Hately
Caldwell
Z. Langdon
O'Halloran
Lobbe
Tomlinson
Bonar
Setterfield

If none of you see this as a problem, then good luck to you. I honestly liked GWS, but the same for that set in at GC, is becoming evident at your club now too. Enjoy whatever the future holds.

Peace.

 

[Colonial]

Hilarious that the only examples you guys are pulling out, are mostly related to Eddie and the Collingwood Football Club - the most hated, corrupt footy club and President in the whole league. If that's your reference point and thats your standard, then you're not aiming very high.

P.S. If Cameron really was all about the club and its culture, he'd accept the reasonable offer that was put forward to him, and we wouldn't have network executives getting involved in player dealings. I have no problem with him staying, as he's your player. I do however, have a problem with blatant dealings with very high-powered people, influencing proceedings.

As I said, Collingwood is the last club you should be aspiring to. Yes I have an interest, but I would also be saying this if Collingwood were pulling the same crap with Eddie, Channel 9 and all their media incentive bs. There's no doubt he stays now, which was 50/50 anyway beforehand. Now you've made a certainty of it, whilst advertising to the rest of the comp just what it takes to retain your players. That's not how culture is built.

What a load of garbage.
you are so full of shit that the local council is sending in the treatment plant operators to see what the back up is.

 

[Colonial]

Hey Deledio said the same thing, so it's not only me that's pointing this out. Have to ask why every single player of worth needs to be paid a million to stay.

Realistically, has your club retained anyone of worth, without paying them exorbitant amounts? If that's what you think is gonna create a flag-winning environment, then you only have to look to recent history to see that every club who has won a flag, has done it whilst paying their top players under free-market value.

Can crack the sh*ts at me all you like, but there's no denying that you guys haemorrhage talent every year, but attract no-one coming the other way - except for club discards or fringe players. Now you'll likely lose Williams, Corr, Hately, Caldwell, Langdon and maybe O'Halloran, whilst gaining Preuss. That's not the mark of a 'destination club'

And I thought the Hawks were salty over Cogs and Whitfield.

you really are pathetic.

 

[Shadow89]

Lol how f****** salty is this Shadow fella? Have a look in your own back yard

Lol that's cool if that's how you see it. Fact remains, that GC drew a line in the sand in 2018, after doing much the same and paying their players extreme amounts to retain them. Money was the only reason they stayed, and it permeated throughout the club. That's what's happening to GWS now.

Off the top of my head, these are all the players in just the past 2 years who GWS have gained/will gain since their initial draft bonanza evened out -

S. Jacobs
Preuss

These are all the players they've lost/will most likely lose:

Z. Williams
Corr
Shiel
Scully
Patton
Hately
Caldwell
Z. Langdon
O'Halloran
Lobbe
Tomlinson
Bonar
Setterfield

If none of you see this as a problem, then good luck to you. I honestly liked GWS, but the same rot that set in at GC, is becoming evident at your club now too.

You honestly have to ask why he didn't just sign week ago, when he was offered 750K over 5 years in a down year, with likely salary cuts. Why did a network exec need to offer riches outside your salary cap, in order to retain him - if it wasn't just about money? That's the part you guys don't seem to get - all your examples are of players clubs are looking to attract to their club, not a player they're looking to retain. Can't say I've ever seen even Collingwood pull that move.

Anyway, enjoy whatever the future holds, as I'm sure you'll all just rationalize this away due to 'Vic bias', 'being salty', or 'delusional.'

Peace

 

[Colonial]

Lol that's cool if that's how you see it. Fact remains, that GC drew a line in the sand in 2018, after doing much the same and paying their players extreme amounts to retain them. Money was the only reason they stayed, and it permeated throughout the club. That's what's happening to GWS now.

Off the top of my head, these are all the players in just the past 2 years who GWS have gained/will gain since their initial draft bonanza evened out -

S. Jacobs
Preuss

These are all the players they've lost/will most likely lose:

Z. Williams
Corr
Shiel
Scully
Patton
Hately
Caldwell
Z. Langdon
O'Halloran
Lobbe
Tomlinson
Bonar
Setterfield

If none of you see this as a problem, then good luck to you. I honestly liked GWS, but the same rot that set in at GC, is becoming evident at your club now too.

You honestly have to ask why he didn't just sign week ago, when he was offered 750K over 5 years in a down year, with likely salary cuts. Why did a network exec need to offer riches outside your salary cap, in order to retain him - if it wasn't just about money? That's the part you guys don't seem to get - all your examples are of players clubs are looking to attract to their club, not a player they're looking to retain. Can't say I've ever seen even Collingwood pull that move.

Anyway, enjoy whatever the future holds, as I'm sure you'll all just rationalize this away due to 'Vic bias', 'being salty', or 'delusional.'

Peace

So basically why are we doing exactly what vic clubs do every year to raid other clubs and retain their stars?

ffs you are a salty bugger, and he hasn’t even re-signed yet.

 

[Pres]

I don't think this is something you should be defending, as it is not a good look for your club and really gives merit to the whole 'Gil's plastic franchise' notion that has come about in recent times. I've always defended this as paranoia and hysteria, but when it's so blatant like it was today, it really does a disservice to the brand of your club.

I'm assuming you were up in arms at the time about this deal?

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[Giant Strides]

I'm sure the irony is lost to some ... that the trade thread on the Geelong board over the past couple of weeks when Jezza interest has been heightened is full of Cats supporters posting (in various words/formats) "Costa will sort him out, give him property deals and get him across the line for us."

 

[MVille Swan]

Lol that's cool if that's how you see it. Fact remains, that GC drew a line in the sand in 2018, after doing much the same and paying their players extreme amounts to retain them. Money was the only reason they stayed, and it permeated throughout the club. That's what's happening to GWS now.

Off the top of my head, these are all the players in just the past 2 years who GWS have gained/will gain since their initial draft bonanza evened out -

S. Jacobs
Preuss

These are all the players they've lost/will most likely lose:

Z. Williams
Corr
Shiel
Scully
Patton
Hately
Caldwell
Z. Langdon
O'Halloran
Lobbe
Tomlinson
Bonar
Setterfield

If none of you see this as a problem, then good luck to you. I honestly liked GWS, but the same for that set in at GC, is becoming evident at your club now too. Enjoy whatever the future holds.

Peace.

They can't all stay. There is a draft every year and new guys are going to come in. From that list, I would think Zac Williams and
Shiel are big losses. I liked Scully and Patton, but their best days are behind them. The younger guys, it's a bit early to tell
how good they'll be. Lobb and Tomlinson are average footballers. They are never going to make the AA team. A lot of the players
that have left GWS weren't really regulars in the best 22 when they were there. Same as at any club. GWS operate under the
same system as the other clubs and aren't as different from the other clubs as many people think.

 

[Giant Pete]

Can't say I've ever heard of the Foxtel or Seven Melbourne boss attending a player meeting to influence proceedings. It's not a good look for your club, if that's the kind of crap you have to pull to retain players.

Lol... Frank Costa and Cotton On look after Cats players and families for the rest of their lives. Stop talking shit.

 

[GWS Goose]

Hey Deledio said the same thing, so it's not only me that's pointing this out. Have to ask why every single player of worth needs to be paid a million to stay.

Realistically, has your club retained anyone of worth, without paying them exorbitant amounts? If that's what you think is gonna create a flag-winning environment, then you only have to look to recent history to see that every club who has won a flag, has done it whilst paying their top players under free-market value.

Can crack the sh*ts at me all you like, but there's no denying that you guys haemorrhage talent every year, but attract no-one coming the other way - except for club discards or fringe players. Now you'll likely lose Williams, Corr, Hately, Caldwell, Langdon and maybe O'Halloran, whilst gaining Preuss. That's not the mark of a 'destination club'

Your comments are so inaccurate.
Deleido's comments related to the culture of the players doing too much themselves as players, under pressure. They try to win it themselves. Interestingly when you win doing that, everyone lauds the player standing up in the big moment. I think it is fair criticism from delidio. But completely irrelevant to this conversation.

Has our club retained anyone of note, let me think. Toby, Haynes, Cogs, Whitfield and Kelly have all basically signed for life. All on good money, why would that be, maybe cause they are very good players being chased by all and sundry. All of them could have got more money elsewhere. Cogs left $1.4mil on the table. Kelly and Whitfield both knocked back offers for significantly more. Kelly took just over half according to one report (which may not be accurate)

Ill do the easy bit first, no good players have come. How about Patful, Shaw, Mumford, Delidio and Griffen in a quick think. Haven't really been in a position to attract too much top end talent, mostly because we have had an excess at talent at the club already. Salary caps and all that prevent you from dong that.

Alright, players leaving. It is no secret that early doors we focussed on picks rather than established players. Has cap has placed pressure on keeping those early picks, we have traded them for more early picks, this has continued, it has enabled us to spread the age demographic of the list, in fact we are a bit young once we have a few out. But if you bring in 8 top 25 draft picks in a 2 year period, not all can play, and you cant pay them all like future stars some will leave. Have you ever heard of players leaving because they dont like the place? Quite the reverse the commentary for years has been about a good quality culture at the Giants keeping the guys together when times were tough.
Look at this year specifically, Corr and Williams both got Godfather offers we couldn't match. Going to happen when you have a lot of good players can't pay them all. Hately cant get a run and is all but guaranteed a spot in his home state. Langdon is falling down our pecking order and could be 2 injuries from getting a run now, if he goes likely, it is for opportunity. Caldwell and Cameron we obviously fighting hard to keep, hopefully we keep them both, but if we lose them, it isnt because they aren't happy. Quite the reverse, that is why we are still in the race.

You comments are clearly that of someone with an axe to grind. You want Cameron, who wouldnt, you dont like that the Giants pulled a lever you dont have, your comments there after a nonsense.

I know Geelong usually get there man, and are a great club, but getting all upset cause someone may not go there reeks of entitlement and is really disrespectful of other clubs.

 

[Giant Pete]

Lol that's cool if that's how you see it. Fact remains, that GC drew a line in the sand in 2018, after doing much the same and paying their players extreme amounts to retain them. Money was the only reason they stayed, and it permeated throughout the club. That's what's happening to GWS now.

Off the top of my head, these are all the players in just the past 2 years who GWS have gained/will gain since their initial draft bonanza evened out -

S. Jacobs
Preuss

These are all the players they've lost/will most likely lose:

Z. Williams
Corr
Shiel
Scully
Patton
Hately
Caldwell
Z. Langdon
O'Halloran
Lobbe
Tomlinson
Bonar
Setterfield

If none of you see this as a problem, then good luck to you. I honestly liked GWS, but the same for that set in at GC, is becoming evident at your club now too. Enjoy whatever the future holds.

Peace.

You have no idea.

 

[Jono_Hain97]

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Lol that's cool if that's how you see it. Fact remains, that GC drew a line in the sand in 2018, after doing much the same and paying their players extreme amounts to retain them. Money was the only reason they stayed, and it permeated throughout the club. That's what's happening to GWS now.

Off the top of my head, these are all the players in just the past 2 years who GWS have gained/will gain since their initial draft bonanza evened out -

S. Jacobs
Preuss

These are all the players they've lost/will most likely lose:

Z. Williams
Corr
Shiel
Scully
Patton
Hately
Caldwell
Z. Langdon
O'Halloran
Lobbe
Tomlinson
Bonar
Setterfield

If none of you see this as a problem, then good luck to you. I honestly liked GWS, but the same for that set in at GC, is becoming evident at your club now too. Enjoy whatever the future holds.

Peace.

Deledio, Steve Johnson, heath shaw, mumford but yeah. They cant attract talent from other clubs. Fu*k your supporter base is the dumbest in the afl by a mile

 

[Shadow89]

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Deledio, Steve Johnson, heath shaw, mumford but yeah. They cant attract talent from other clubs. Fu*k your supporter base is the dumbest in the afl by a mile

At least I can comprehend detail, lol...or did you miss the part where I said 'in the last two years since your initial draft bonanza evened out'? Might want to read before you go jumping off the deep end

 

[Jono_Hain97]

At least I can comprehend detail, lol...or did you miss the part where I said 'in the last two years since your initial draft bonanza evened out'? Might want to read before you go jumping off the deep end

I don't support GWS. I am just talking facts. Are you colour blind too? A club which had virtually no salary cap in its first couple of seasons was always going to struggle to retain some of their players when the afl tightened their cap at a moment's notice. Nothing to do with culture

 

[Colonial]

At least I can comprehend detail, lol...or did you miss the part where I said 'in the last two years since your initial draft bonanza evened out'? Might want to read before you go jumping off the deep end

So you think we should of spent even more?

We are in the process of bringing in a ruck so would say that’s a step up.

We already have superstars in Greene, Whitfield, Cogs, Haynes, and possibly still Jezza.

Why bring in more?