List Mgmt. 2020 List Management: Contracts, Trading, Drafting, Academy

[Shadow89]

to get you have to give

nothing is for free and no reason for Geelong to feel a sense of entitlement

Tom Lynch.

 

[Colonial]

Kelly is not relevant at all. He was not a RFA.

Neither is Cameron the moment we matched.

The crucial detail being less that he was younger (which is valid), but more to do with the fact Kelly gave 2 yrs of service. The reason free agency was brought in was to allow players who’ve given great long term service a pathway. Cameron has given 9 years of service to you blokes and you’re acting in his way and demanding max value.. which goes against the whole premise. Sorry, but the Kelly trade is completely irrelevant. It’d be like Geelong fans comparing it to losing GAJ in his prime for to late first founders...

you should of matched then.

2 years age difference is not an age problem. In his prime.

it’s not always fair you know.

great well you take the hit and we get the picks, if it’s not always fair.


You can spin it anyway you want but it’s just more complaining about having to pay for a gun in his prime instead of a free hit.

 

[Shadow89]

You haven’t just accepted anything hence we are here.

Considering you have spent the last week complaining about having to trade and “the look of it”. I’ll just sit back and laugh at your talk of “fair”.

You're such an angry person, lol...none of that makes sense.

Whatever, it's pointless discussing anyway, as it just devolves into hypothetical dick measuring.

Enjoy.

 

[strauchnyy]

Neither is Cameron the moment we matched.

Wrong. Cameron was a RFA the key difference you’re not understanding is Cameron gave 9 years of service. This is the critical point. You are blocking a player trying to get home after 9 years of service. Kelly played 2 years and never got RFA status to enjoy that right.

great well you take the hit and we get the picks, if it’s not always fair.

Yeh, nah lad. That’s not how it works unfortunately for you. In the real world you argue logic to get your point across, unfortunately it seems you’re not getting that.

You can spin it anyway you want but it’s just more complaining about having to pay for a gun in his prime instead of a free hit.

Nah I expect Geelong to pay for a gun. But you mentioned Kelly which has no relevance here.

The closest similar case where a club traded for a player who earnt RFA status was Danger.

We paid R1 + R2 + fringe player for danger and R3.

Danger was better than Cameron, and younger. We paid that amount as Adelaide respected the RFA/FA understanding that danger had done his time and provided long term service.

GWS are acting like Dodoro trying to extract max value not caring Cameron has done his time and provided years of service.

We will give you something but demanding 3 first rounders is lunacy. It’ll be closer to the price paid for danger - that is the real precedent.

 

[JC100]

This Geelong bloke arguing why Cameron and Kelly are different has no idea.

Kelly and Cameron are literally the same now that GWS matched

 

[dlanod]

Our supposed request.

It can also be revealed the Giants would accept Picks 13, 15 and Geelong’s future first-rounder, which would likely be in the mid to late teens in 2021.

GWS would then send Pick 44 back to the Cats, though Geelong is gunning for a second-rounder in return.

AFL trades 2020: Jeremy Cameron trade, Geelong Cats, GWS Giants, Cats players offered, trade targets, Rhys Stanley, news | FOX SPORTS

GWS flatly rejected a list of players offered up by Geelong as potential trade bait in Jeremy Cameron negotiations.

coupler.foxsports.com.au

That sounds pretty fair if true.

 

[Giant Gutsache]

Interesting that Ben Brown

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, who’s kicked more goals than Cameron over the last 4 years, is looking like being swapped for 2 picks in the low 30s.
Both struggled in 2020 and they’re similar ages.
I rate Cameron hugely and am sad he’s walked on the Giants, but wonder if Ben Brown

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is a better value pickup for Melbourne considering what is expected as a trade from Geelong.
That said…screw Geelong and pay up because they need Cameron to take the big prize in the next few years.

 

[strauchnyy]

This Geelong bloke arguing why Cameron and Kelly are different has no idea.

Kelly and Cameron are literally the same now that GWS matched

9 years of service vs 2 years of service. Wow so hard to understand

 

[JC100]

9 years of service vs 2 years of service. Wow so hard to understand

It is not relevant.The rules have them as equal. How they got to that point is irrelevant

 

[strauchnyy]

It is not relevant.The rules have them as equal. How they got to that point is irrelevant

So on your logic of just following the rules and not acting in the spirit of the rules, Adelaide should give you ppl sweet FA for Hatley and take him on the preseason draft for free. You know, coz by the rules they don’t need to trade, having pick 1 in the PSD.

That’s not how the real world works. Cameron gave you 9 years, that’s worth something. You accommodate those players, within reason, you don’t dangle them like a carrot trying to extract max value. 2 firsts are within reason

 

[dlanod]

Interesting that Ben Brown

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, who’s kicked more goals than Cameron over the last 4 years, is looking like being swapped for 2 picks in the low 30s.
Both struggled in 2020 and they’re similar ages.
I rate Cameron hugely and am sad he’s walked on the Giants, but wonder if Ben Brown

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Ben Brown

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33

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is a better value pickup for Melbourne considering what is expected as a trade from Geelong.
That said…screw Geelong and pay up because they need Cameron to take the big prize in the next few years.

God knows what happened with Brown but NM wanted to get rid of him.

GWS does not want to get rid of Cameron.

 

[dlanod]

So on your logic of just following the rules and not acting in the spirit of the rules, Adelaide should give you ppl sweet FA for Hatley and take him on the preseason draft for free. You know, coz by the rules they don’t need to trade, having pick 1 in the PSD.

They can if they want.

GWS did it to Sydney with Jed Lamb

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Carlton did it to Gold Coast with Martin last year.

It's not exactly a rare occurrence.

 

[bellpark]

the fear that you will fold and trade for 2 first rounders is clear on this board. You will - it is different to Kelly, 9 years service is very relevant and lets all take a deep breath and see it plays out - you will trade or he goes into the draft. Simples.

 

[Giant Strides]

Sure.

the fear that you will fold and trade for 2 first rounders is clear on this board. You will - it is different to Kelly, 9 years service is very relevant and lets all take a deep breath and see it plays out - you will trade or he goes into the draft. Simples.

Let him go to the draft. He won't reach Geelong!

 

[GWS Goose]

the fear that you will fold and trade for 2 first rounders is clear on this board. You will - it is different to Kelly, 9 years service is very relevant and lets all take a deep breath and see it plays out - you will trade or he goes into the draft. Simples.

No one wants him to go to the draft including Jeremy himself. So no one is going to drop their pants.
Given those involved, both clubs have a history of getting it done, it will get done.

It will be 2 first rounders and some steak knives. 2 of this years firsts, a Geelong future first for JC, our future second and 44 has been mentioned as the counter back from Geelomg . That is probably close to about right.

 

[Giant Strides]

Alright, who's got the catnip out on this board? We're attracting agitated cats ...

 

[Colonial]

You're such an angry person, lol...none of that makes sense.

Whatever, it's pointless discussing anyway, as it just devolves into hypothetical dick measuring.

Enjoy.

Not all. More amused at your point of view and how hypocritical it is.

 

[Colonial]

9 years of service vs 2 years of service. Wow so hard to understand

If he had served 10 you would have a point.

He had not.

 

[Colonial]

So on your logic of just following the rules and not acting in the spirit of the rules, Adelaide should give you ppl sweet FA for Hatley and take him on the preseason draft for free. You know, coz by the rules they don’t need to trade, having pick 1 in the PSD.

That’s not how the real world works. Cameron gave you 9 years, that’s worth something. You accommodate those players, within reason, you don’t dangle them like a carrot trying to extract max value. 2 firsts are within reason

2 top 10 1sts you would have a point.

2 late 1sts in a heavily compromised draft, you do not.

 

[Colonial]

the fear that you will fold and trade for 2 first rounders is clear on this board. You will - it is different to Kelly, 9 years service is very relevant and lets all take a deep breath and see it plays out - you will trade or he goes into the draft. Simples.

And the fear you will fold and pay us the picks is clear, hence why you muppets are on our board.

 

[Colonial]

 

[PMBangers]

I did beat him in a 3km time trial though."

Well this does something to soften my critique on the trade, was one of the main things I was worried about

 

[dlanod]

Well this does something to soften my critique on the trade, was one of the main things I was worried about

When Preuss said he beat Gawn, what he means was he hit him with a 2x4 a couple of times at the beginning of the race and then never saw him again.

 

[Colonial]

 

[Sttew]

Interesting that Ben Brown

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Ben Brown

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33

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10.7

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, who’s kicked more goals than Cameron over the last 4 years, is looking like being swapped for 2 picks in the low 30s.
Both struggled in 2020 and they’re similar ages.
I rate Cameron hugely and am sad he’s walked on the Giants, but wonder if Ben Brown

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Ben Brown

Age

33

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200cm

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100kg

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1.0

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is a better value pickup for Melbourne considering what is expected as a trade from Geelong.
That said…screw Geelong and pay up because they need Cameron to take the big prize in the next few years.

Not so sure Geelong "needs" Cameron as such as some are saying. Yes, he'd make our forward line so much stronger, but Geelong did have the No.1 attack in 2020 based on points for.

 

[Colonial]

Not so sure Geelong "needs" Cameron as such as some are saying. Yes, he'd make our forward line so much stronger, but Geelong did have the No.1 attack in 2020 based on points for.

If they didn’t why are they throwing that contract at him?