List Mgmt. 2020 List Management: Contracts, Trading, Drafting, Academy

[Shadow89]

to get you have to give

nothing is for free and no reason for Geelong to feel a sense of entitlement

Tom Lynch.

 

[dlanod]

Doubt pies can afford jez

Given players were already getting pushed out for salary cap relief, I think you've probably hit the nail on the head.

 

[Danny88]

I know the De Goey preference is to stay and with Cox on 500k, if Jezza said he had a preference in a club out of the 4 clubs i don't think it would be hard for any of them to make it work

Think there will be a lot of chatter but until we know list sizes hard for most clubs to make final moves and cuts

There is just absolutely no way in the wide wide world that cox is on that type of money.

None. Not a chance

 

[Callums_Guns]

There is just absolutely no way in the wide wide world that cox is on that type of money.

None. Not a chance

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Is Mason Cox the odd man out at Collingwood?

Every recent Collingwood discussion has centred on Collingwood’s star out-of-contract players; Brodie Grundy (who has re-signed), Jordan de Goey and Darcy Moore. It is often asked if one of those players has to go due to salary cap restraints, but maybe that player should be someone else. Mason...

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Is Mason Cox the odd man out at Collingwood?

Every recent Collingwood discussion has centred on Collingwood’s star out-of-contract players; Brodie Grundy (who has re-signed), Jordan de Goey and Darcy Moore. It is often asked if one of those players has to go due to salary cap restraints, but maybe that player should be someone else. Mason...

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Lost me when I saw Damian Barrett

500k is larfable

500k total for 15 years maybe assuming last 12 years were dedicated to painting the roof in the clubrooms with a roller

 

[Danny88]

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Is Mason Cox the odd man out at Collingwood?

Every recent Collingwood discussion has centred on Collingwood’s star out-of-contract players; Brodie Grundy (who has re-signed), Jordan de Goey and Darcy Moore. It is often asked if one of those players has to go due to salary cap restraints, but maybe that player should be someone else. Mason...

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There is no way Barret knows coxs sallary. And you have just posted two articles that take Damian’s claim and represent it as fact.

wage reporting is the worst type of reporting in the footy industry. It’s a guess designed to shake the tree and get clicks. Don’t for a minute buy into it

 

[PMBangers]

Given players were already getting pushed out for salary cap relief, I think you've probably hit the nail on the head.

Much like our salary cap pressure is overplayed in the media, Collingwoods is too. I'm not saying they've got Jez money, but I'd be willing to bet there's some wriggle room that allows the possibility (Beams, Varcoe, Reid likely to retire, that'd free up 900k odd).

 

[GWS Goose]

There is no way Barret knows coxs sallary. And you have just posted two articles that take Damian’s claim and represent it as fact.

wage reporting is the worst type of reporting in the footy industry. It’s a guess designed to shake the tree and get clicks. Don’t for a minute buy into it

Different code, but for a long while, I was in a position to know the exact income of a number of players in the NRL (about 25%), the reported incomes were way off. Quite often there was an element of truth, for instance in a 3 year deal where the player would earn $200k. $250K and $300K over 3 years the article would cite the $300K.
Another trick was to include all possible bonuses (including bonuses for the premiership, rep football and awards), no player on that sort of contract is going to clean up all the bonuses all that often, the guys likely to clean up have all (or at least most) their income guaranteed.

You only have to add up the reported wages of a club and compare it to the salary cap to see that the numbers from the papers are inflated. I think player managers drop the info.

 

[Danny88]

Different code, but for a long while, I was in a position to know the exact income of a number of players in the NRL (about 25%), the reported incomes were way off. Quite often there was an element of truth, for instance in a 3 year deal where the player would earn $200k. $250K and $300K over 3 years the article would cite the $300K.
Another trick was to include all possible bonuses (including bonuses for the premiership, rep football and awards), no player on that sort of contract is going to clean up all the bonuses all that often, the guys likely to clean up have all (or at least most) their income guaranteed.

You only have to add up the reported wages of a club and compare it to the salary cap to see that the numbers from the papers are inflated. I think player managers drop the info.

Tbh I’m a fan of the nba style reported wages and take the mystery out of it. But god knows how you get that past the players association

 

[Danny88]

If we could get someone like a cockatoo from the cats for cheap I would be interested in the risk. If the price is right of course. But his pace and agility at that size make him a point of difference in our midfield group. His injury history is a huge worry but that’s what makes him cheap. It would depend if we believed we could get him on the field or not.

 

[PMBangers]

If we could get someone like a cockatoo from the cats for cheap I would be interested in the risk. If the price is right of course. But his pace and agility at that size make him a point of difference in our midfield group. His injury history is a huge worry but that’s what makes him cheap. It would depend if we believed we could get him on the field or not.

For the poor blokes own health I sure hope not

 

[Giant Strides]

If we could get someone like a cockatoo from the cats for cheap I would be interested in the risk. If the price is right of course. But his pace and agility at that size make him a point of difference in our midfield group. His injury history is a huge worry but that’s what makes him cheap. It would depend if we believed we could get him on the field or not.

For the poor blokes own health I sure hope not

I don't entirely trust our medical team with the uninjured guys we have - let alone wanting to take a risk on a perpetually injured player. Brett Deledio being a prime example. I like the idea, but I'd pass on Nakia.

 

[Colonial]

No more trading in players with talent but injury concerns please. Been bitten twice now. Trust in our drafting.

 

[Andre the Giant]

Herald Sun suggesting Zac is asking 800-900 which if true is outlandish but good luck to him if he can get it as his next contract is his money deal and he has given us terrific service.

Robbo suggesting we are resigned to letting him go. Makes the Ash selection an even better one even though he’s not Zac just yet. The higher the figure he gets the better the compo we get.

If we lost Zac we would probably send Whitters back who looks most comfortable there and can always be moved around. Cumming is still a chance of making it if he can stay uninjured.

I heard from two sources I trust Jezza is staying. Essendon believe he isn’t leaving, Geelong still trying.

I can see Finlayson leaving but I’m not sure we get much for him , Hately will head to Crows and I reckon there will be one surprise. Caldwell could go either way.

I wonder if Zac left and Hately did get to the Crows if we made a play for Rory Laird? We probably don’t have the salary cap space but if a few went out he could be good and he doesn’t fit the rebuild profile for the Crows.

 

[PMBangers]

and I reckon there will be one surprise

Well don't keep us hanging =(

I'm hoping Caldwell does stay, with Caldwell, TT, Green and Hopper we'll have the best stoppage play in the comp at some stage

 

[Andre the Giant]

Well don't keep us hanging =(

I'm hoping Caldwell does stay, with Caldwell, TT, Green and Hopper we'll have the best stoppage play in the comp at some stage

Caldwell has had his most consistent year with his body and shows flashes of a nice player, he has pretty good wheels and can take a nice mark up forward. St Kilda wanted him at the draft and are into him.

If there is a surprise I don’t know what it is but if I was throwing darts it could be Kelly. That thing with his house was weird and form has been indifferent but that might be hub life which our players have really struggled with.

But if we lost Williams/Hately/Finlayson and say Heater and Mumford retire we may be ok re the cap? I would like us to retire Sauce and maybe put him on a coaching deal if there is soft cap room, he has no future.

We must keep Perryman, he’s proper.

 

[PMBangers]

Caldwell has had his most consistent year with his body and shows flashes of a nice player, he has pretty good wheels and can take a nice mark up forward. St Kilda wanted him at the draft and are into him.

If there is a surprise I don’t know of it but if I was throwing darts it would be Kelly. But if we lost Williams/Hately/Finlayson and say Heater and Mumford retire we may be ok re the cap? I would like us to retire Sauce and maybe put him on a coaching deal if there is soft cap room, he has no future.

We must keep Perryman, he’s proper.

Agree with all of that. Caldwell I also suspect has at least one other club in Geelong sniffing, although that's pretty iffy info. Perryman is a must keep, players of his versatility with quality in all the positions he's thrown in aren't growing on trees.
I'm happy enough with Hately moving on, aslong with Dorsal, would like to keep Xavier as well.
Interesting re: Kelly, there's obviously whispers around him every year, but idk this time I feel like it's, more there if you get me? A best case for that would be North Melbourne and we get both their picks

 

[Danny88]

Caldwell has had his most consistent year with his body and shows flashes of a nice player, he has pretty good wheels and can take a nice mark up forward. St Kilda wanted him at the draft and are into him.

If there is a surprise I don’t know what it is but if I was throwing darts it could be Kelly. That thing with his house was weird and form has been indifferent but that might be hub life which our players have really struggled with.

But if we lost Williams/Hately/Finlayson and say Heater and Mumford retire we may be ok re the cap? I would like us to retire Sauce and maybe put him on a coaching deal if there is soft cap room, he has no future.

We must keep Perryman, he’s proper.

We can’t retire a player on an existing deal

 

[dlanod]

We can’t retire a player on an existing deal

If they choose to retire, the rest of the deal can lapse. There are caveats about career ending injuries though.

 

[LordLucifer]

I can see Finlayson leaving but I’m not sure we get much for him

The incredible debut games from young Riccardi should have stamped Finlayson's papers for good, the difference is chalk & cheese. One wants to get the ball at every opportunity, the other picks & chooses when to go and by how hard.

There will be a couple of suitors for Finno, just need to construct a favourable trade deal.


Or, you could just give Riccardi to us for free ???

 

[Andre the Giant]

The incredible debut games from young Riccardi should have stamped Finlayson's papers for good, the difference is chalk & cheese. One wants to get the ball at every opportunity, the other picks & chooses when to go and by how hard.

There will be a couple of suitors for Finno, just need to construct a favourable trade deal.


Or, you could just give Riccardi to us for free ???

LOL I think signing the young man up long term is a big priority, it’s early days but he looks very promising!

 

[Danny88]

If they choose to retire, the rest of the deal can lapse. There are caveats about career ending injuries though.

Yep True

but that’s not what I was replying to

 

[dlanod]

Yep True

but that’s not what I was replying to

Yeah, pushing them out the door tends to result in payouts to get them to leave.

 

[Callums_Guns]

There is no way Barret knows coxs sallary. And you have just posted two articles that take Damian’s claim and represent it as fact.

wage reporting is the worst type of reporting in the footy industry. It’s a guess designed to shake the tree and get clicks. Don’t for a minute buy into it

Cox earns contract extension through trigger clause

The tall forward signed a three-year deal with the potential for a fourth year on the same money – about $550,000 annually – if he played a certain number of games over those first three years.

www.theage.com.au

 

[Pres]

Interesting re: Kelly, there's obviously whispers around him every year, but idk this time I feel like it's, more there if you get me? A best case for that would be North Melbourne and we get both their picks

Interesting.

WCE paid #14, #24, #37 and this year's first rounder (perhaps ~#20) for Tim Kelly last year after making the AA team.

I actually think Josh's stocks have diminished quite a bit since last time we had a go at him. Did not even make the AA squad last year and unlikely again this.

Based on the T Kelly trade there is no way anyone's parting with picks #2 and #13 for him I wouldn't have thought.

 

[Colonial]

Interesting.

WCE paid #14, #24, #37 and this year's first rounder (perhaps ~#20) for Tim Kelly last year after making the AA team.

I actually think Josh's stocks have diminished quite a bit since last time we had a go at him. Did not even make the AA squad last year and unlikely again this.

Based on the T Kelly trade there is no way anyone's parting with picks #2 and #13 for him I wouldn't have thought.

He has been 1 of our best players this year.

That and he is contracted till end of next season.

If anything we are in a better position regarding a possible trade, if he wants to leave, than usual at the end of a contract.