List Mgmt. 2020 List Management: Contracts, Trading, Drafting, Academy

[Shadow89]

to get you have to give

nothing is for free and no reason for Geelong to feel a sense of entitlement

Tom Lynch.

 

[PMBangers]

Interesting.

WCE paid #14, #24, #37 and this year's first rounder (perhaps ~#20) for Tim Kelly last year after making the AA team.

I actually think Josh's stocks have diminished quite a bit since last time we had a go at him. Did not even make the AA squad last year and unlikely again this.

Based on the T Kelly trade there is no way anyone's parting with picks #2 and #13 for him I wouldn't have thought.

Tim was OOC and had previously requested a trade. I don't think AA is a great indicator either, there's more variables to it than just being good or not.
Also wouldn't 2 first rounders, an early second rounder and an early 3rd rounder, be much more than the two first rounders I suggested? Jelly definitley isn't worth all those picks, but he's also definitley worth 2 1sts

 

[Giant Strides]

I would think that Norths would try to beat the price down as much as possible - Melbourne's pick thus year (currently #13 per your example) and next year's North's first rounder (because it's likely to be an improved showing from Norths) with a second coming back (their starting gambit likely to be #13 this year + second rounder next year!). But if Josh suddenly said 'hey I'm interested in coming ''home'' to Norths' I'd be very surprised if they said 'nah'.

We'll have to wait and see - partly because the whole salary cap and mechanism for dealing with next year's contract situation isn't resolved - where things lie, but it's a reasonable question as to whether we keep Jezza, Williams, Perryman & the youngsters (as they are due a salary increase) for the loss of Josh who should provide adequate ND compensation ... or keep Josh at the cost of Williams and maybe one or two others & less ND compo. Unenviable choice. (I mean, hopefully we actually don't have to make that choice, but ...)

 

[Pres]

I would think that Norths would try to beat the price down as much as possible - Melbourne's pick thus year (currently #13 per your example) and next year's North's first rounder (because it's likely to be an improved showing from Norths) with a second coming back (their starting gambit likely to be #13 this year + second rounder next year!).

Surely that's a joke! We're looking at a long, long term rebuild.

Also with 2021 rumoured to be a superdraft it's unlikely many clubs will be dealing potential prime future picks.

 

[Giant Strides]

Surely that's a joke! We're looking at a long, long term rebuild.

Also with 2021 rumoured to be a superdraft it's unlikely many clubs will be dealing potential prime future picks.

1. Bird in the hand.
2. Every club expects to improve. Even just a one-spot improvement would mean giving up pick #3 vice #2. When you're second last, you'd back yourself not to come last next year - which is the only way in which the scenario I posed would be worse.

 

[captainMyCaptain]

No surprise here

 

[dlanod]

There'll be real interest this time. I hope he lands somewhere that can use him to the best of his abilities - Gaff and Hill have made a career of roaming the space of the Perth stadiums, so maybe he should head west.

 

[Giant Strides]

There'll be real interest this time. I hope he lands somewhere that can use him to the best of his abilities - Gaff and Hill have made a career of roaming the space of the Perth stadiums, so maybe he should head west.

Teams will understand they he could be used in a number of roles - off half back, as a tall winger, or forward. They will be wary of his tendency to drop his head, and that will cost trade value.

What do people think is a reasonable trade? I note that GWS is pretty pragmatic in letting guys go where they don't see a future with us - I'd like us to squeeze a little harder in many cases.

 

[Andre the Giant]

Yeah, pushing them out the door tends to result in payouts to get them to leave.

If you tell them they won’t be playing 1st’s and can have two years as a ruck coach it might appease. Soft cap cuts might make that difficult but he is a spud.

 

[Andre the Giant]

Teams will understand they he could be used in a number of roles - off half back, as a tall winger, or forward. They will be wary of his tendency to drop his head, and that will cost trade value.

What do people think is a reasonable trade? I note that GWS is pretty pragmatic in letting guys go where they don't see a future with us - I'd like us to squeeze a little harder in many cases.

Future mid second rounder. He surprisingly is loved by Champion Data (that flog bible) who have him as elite. Clearly elite doesn’t consider second efforts when losing.

 

[Pres]

1. Bird in the hand.
2. Every club expects to improve. Even just a one-spot improvement would mean giving up pick #3 vice #2. When you're second last, you'd back yourself not to come last next year - which is the only way in which the scenario I posed would be worse.

To be honest I almost reckon I'd be happier with North throwing more at Williams than they'd be prepared to with Kelly. Talk about blokes who can play multiple roles.

He's just the type of dynamic gun we need.

 

[Crow till I die]

sorry for the intrusion people but how on the ball is Sam Edmund as he just posed this



If it has some truth to it, what sort of value do you guys place on Hately as I have not really seen him play this year

 

[GWS Goose]

sorry for the intrusion people but how on the ball is Sam Edmund as he just posed this



If it has some truth to it, what sort of value do you guys place on Hately as I have not really seen him play this year

This doesnt surprise me.

Id reckon Hately would have some very reasonable trade value.

His star wouldn't have slipped much (if at all) from when he was drafted in the teens. Wonder if the Crows second would be a about the money.

Hard to say with young guys, on occasion your see clubs give quite a lot for them, other times they get passed on for virtually free.

 

[PMBangers]

sorry for the intrusion people but how on the ball is Sam Edmund as he just posed this



If it has some truth to it, what sort of value do you guys place on Hately as I have not really seen him play this year

We'll go for Pick 20 but likely settle for Pick 28, depending on what sort of compensation you get for Brouch if he leaves and Atkins

 

[Crow till I die]

We'll go for Pick 20 but likely settle for Pick 28, depending on what sort of compensation you get for Brouch if he leaves and Atkins

I'd part with 28 (bulldogs 2nd round pick we have) for sure. Many on our board want us to use the PSD to get an OOC player BUT in my opinion the crows and GWS have done a fair bit of trading in the past and actually using the PSD is a pretty extreme tool that could wreck the relationship going forward and therefore I would hope a fair deal can be worked If there is truth to the comments...and we can save the PSD for the less friendly clubs like Carlton

 

[PMBangers]

I'd part with 28 (bulldogs 2nd round pick we have) for sure. Many on our board want us to use the PSD to get an OOC player BUT in my opinion the crows and GWS have done a fair bit of trading in the past and actually using the PSD is a pretty extreme tool that could wreck the relationship going forward and therefore I would hope a fair deal can be worked If there is truth to the comments...and we can save the PSD for the less friendly clubs like Carlton

The PSD thing happens once in a blue moon, why so many supporter bases think it a) will happen and b) is a good idea is beyond me, but certainly that 28 is what I'd expect gets it done, with some exchanging of late picks likely as well. I do see a scenario where Brad Crouch leaves and you get an end of first compensation, then we push really hard for pick 20 in that case

 

[Pres]

Losing Hateley for pick 28 (which I assume will get shuffled into the 30's after Academy and FS selections) when he was drafted pick 14 is not a great list management result.

Wonder why they made a point of trying to recruit his type - perhaps they thought Cogs or someone might split and there would be more openings in the midfield?

 

[Crow till I die]

Losing Hateley for pick 28 (which I assume will get shuffled into the 30's after Academy and FS selections) when he was drafted pick 14 is not a great list management result.

Wonder why they made a point of trying to recruit his type - perhaps they thought Cogs or someone might split and there would be more openings in the midfield?

Look, from an outsiders perspective the model GWS set up caused much early pain result wise but the mid term rewards and longer term stability it sets up were to be applauded. The depth of midfield talent at your club is the envy of most clubs BUT that is because the turnover of talent happens which brings in more draft capital. But realistically, clubs get some right and they get some wrong at the draft and with us, the jury is still well and truly out re Chayce Jones. With guys like Kelly, Taranto, Coniglio, Hopper, Green, Caldwell etc, you bat so deep that players will get forced out purely from lack of real opportunity...but the ones going are the ones GWS are happy to let go and that is sustainable

 

[GWS Goose]

Losing Hateley for pick 28 (which I assume will get shuffled into the 30's after Academy and FS selections) when he was drafted pick 14 is not a great list management result.

Wonder why they made a point of trying to recruit his type - perhaps they thought Cogs or someone might split and there would be more openings in the midfield?

There is an element of risk in every selection, to have a hit, and get close enough that you get almost the same shot again is a pretty good result.
Many selections give zero pay off.

 

[Mr Magic]

GWS need to invest in some KPP.

Ricardi is breaking through but there is not enough support I think by the looks of it.

OKeefe is getting on as is Davis and even Haynes is around 28.

Watching them versus Carlton the team must be getting frustrated with the impotence taking it forward!!

Even putting Toby stand out with Riccardi might not be a bad idea.

Have to start question the strength and conditioning of GWS

 

[Colonial]

GWS need to invest in some KPP.

Ricardi is breaking through but there is not enough support I think by the looks of it.

OKeefe is getting on as is Davis and even Haynes is around 28.

Watching them versus Carlton the team must be getting frustrated with the impotence taking it forward!!

Nah just need to throw some coin at the umps. Seems to be working for Carlton tonight.

 

[Mr Magic]

Nah just need to throw some coin at the umps. Seems to be working for Carlton tonight.

ha ha, GWS are getting murdered by the umpires at the moment

 

[Colonial]

ha ha, GWS are getting murdered by the umpires at the moment

That and our set shots.

We hit those shots we never usually miss and we are up by 30 or so.

 

[Mr Magic]

That and our set shots.

We hit those shots we never usually miss and we are up by 30 or so.

very poor from the Giants, why not throw Haynes up forward??

What is there to lose??

Mids generally are not going too bad but forward line.....

I think mentally many are not there.

Not sure how many coaches would allow this and Leon got a two year extension.

Compare to Freo match, Jeckyl and Hyde

Looks like some players are losing belief apart from confidence.

I think GWS could win a premiership but tonight they would win the spoon.

The difference of Riccardi taking that mark showing strength at half forward and the kicking the goal is chalk and cheese compared to previous options

 

[dlanod]

very poor from the Giants, why not throw Haynes up forward??

What is there to lose??

The game.

 

[Mr Magic]

The game.

Well he was good down back, unfortunately you can't have five Haynes.

Himmeberg was good forward and back and Finalyson was handy while Riccardi stood up again as a forward option