List Mgmt. 2020 List Management: Contracts, Trading, Drafting, Academy

Shadow89 · Oct 19, 2020

Mr Magic said:
to get you have to give

nothing is for free and no reason for Geelong to feel a sense of entitlement

Tom Lynch.

David C · Oct 20, 2020

dergert said:
Reckon you guys will be relocated to Tasmania in the next few years.

A VIC club will go first, North, STK, Bulldogs all on the chopping block.

fridgeman · Oct 20, 2020

Hopefully the club holds firm on making the Cats trade for Cameron and I would want a top 5 pick and a another 1st rounder or 2 of the 1st rounders they hold and a potential best 22 player depending on who that player is and looking over the list
Ratugolea would be a great pick up but I cant see the Cats let him go although he could be see reduced opportuity with Cameron coming in
Clark I dont think he would move to Sydney
The other one that could be steak knives is Jacob Kennerley, wing/half back and a late pick in the 2018 draft and yet to debut so not sure on what his chances of making it are
Another one the club could ask about would be Tuohy as he would bring a lot of experience (200+ games) to the club for a couple of years and he has been durable but again not sure if the Cats would let him go

strauchnyy · Oct 20, 2020

Mr Magic said:
they didn't match because they where getting pick 3 and they where less advanced than GWS at that stage

So you didnt give up 2 first round picks and a young player?

You gave up no picks or players. You got lucky you poached a player at a bottom 3 club. You gave zero trade capital.

Colonial · Oct 20, 2020

What Giants want in game-changing trade for Jeremy Cameron

The 2019 Coleman Medallist won’t be coming cheap for the Geelong Cats.

7news.com.au

“The Cats have picks 11, 13 and 18, and although they might ask for one of those picks, the Giants will want players as well.

“You’ve got to think about Brandan Parfitt, think about Esava Ratugolea who’s out of contract, think Sam Simpson who’s out of contract, and don’t discount them asking for Jordan Clark as well, who has two years left on his deal and wants to play senior footy.

Colonial · Oct 20, 2020

Opposition, and some of our own, supporters as well as the professional media seem to have forgotten who we have in our list still and we are about to trade in a decent ruck.

Whitfield won the AA when covering for Williams.
Ash was drafted to replace Shaw.
Riccardi will be great along with HH and Finlayson.

We have small fwds in Greene, Hill (who found his tank) and Daniels.

Mids in Cogs, Kelly, Taranto, Hopper, Ward, Green

Only trouble is tall defenders with Davis and Taylor.

We are still contending.

Colonial · Oct 20, 2020

Hmmm brought up in FB group.

Briggs up forward?

fridgeman · Oct 20, 2020

I can still see 3 tall forwards in the 22 next year and rotating with the 4 depending on fitness and match ups but HH and TOJ (Name change maybe?) will be pretty much always there and then rotating out of Riccardi (Should play most games) and the rucks out of Briggs/Flynn/Preuss although it could all change if Esava is part of the Cameron trade

Giant Gutsache · Oct 20, 2020

fridgeman said:
I can still see 3 tall forwards in the 22 next year and rotating with the 4 depending on fitness and match ups but HH and TOJ (Name change maybe?) will be pretty much always there and then rotating out of Riccardi (Should play most games) and the rucks out of Briggs/Flynn/Preuss although it could all change if Esava is part of the Cameron trade

I’d be surprised if StevieJ will be as committed to the 3 tall forwards every week. Not enough goals scored and too many easy and rapid exits.
I’d like to see a small defensive forward. Caldwell would work if they can keep him. He’s quick enough and can tackle.

Colonial · Oct 20, 2020

Some chat HH was a possibility of going into the defence

Giant Strides · Oct 20, 2020

OK, some interesting titbits of discussion about getting experienced players in vice more draft picks. I had canvassed that briefly in a couple of previous posts, and it's a real question.

Where we've lost experience based on who's left to date:
- KPDs: with Corr leaving and Keeffe, Stein, Buntine & Idun the backups, are we exposed for experience if anyone gets injured? Alternatively, do we draft for the future when Davis & Keeffe retire?
- Medium defenders - losing Heater and Zac at the same time has to hurt; although we could swing Lachie Whitfield back, would we prefer to get an experienced defender? We have spoken about Witherden and Clark - neither of whom are actually experienced. Should we look at a Robertson or Savage type of player instead?
- KPDs: with Jezza leaving, is a tall forward line setup out of Riccardi, Himmelberg, Finlayson, Buckley, Sproule plus potentially Flynn & Briggs sufficient? What experienced, capable forwards are there available?

Starting with the latter, I mused about looking at Josh Jenkins as a guy who can be the backup ruck and seems to kick goals reliably (in the absence of any available, gettable KPFs), but I'm not convinced we need him (or anyone). We are obviously going to miss Jezza's reliable goal-kicking - as we saw this year when he was off - but perhaps we just need to settle on a forward setup and give it time to develop. Riccardi seems a no-brainer, then one of HH or ToJ, and because Leon loves his three tall setup, either the other of HH/ToJ or try one of the rucks up forward. That would also blood them and give them a chance to see if they can make the grade.

With KPDs, I'm not averse to getting a recycled KPD (as per my previous post a few weeks back), but equally we have the chance to pick up a draftee such as Nik Cox or Heath Chapman for the longer term. If ToJ was used up front, HH could be used in defence (or Buckley) until they were good to go. The value of Nik Cox is that he could be tried as either a defender or forward to discover his best position, and if we were to get 3 selections inside the first 20, we could always get both Chapman and Cox to hedge our bets. A recycled KPD might stifle the development opportunities for the future, so it's a knife-edge call.

Medium defenders is where I think we are weakest - losing 2 in Zac & Heater, plus having two rookies there (Reid & Brown). The only thing is, apart from the junior end of the scale (Witherden - unlikely, more likely to go home to Victoria & Clark - unlikely, more likely to go home to WA), there's no-one I'd really see as worth using a spot on. The alternative would be to recruit a winger (such as Tom Phillips) to allow us to put Whitfield back into defence as the rebound general & distributor.

Based on losing Jacobs, Shaw, Corr, Williams, Cameron, Hately & Langdon, and picking up Preuss, plus upgrading Buckley, there's 33/38 positions. I'm assuming the cost would be a 30s or 40s pick.

If we just take the FA pick for Jezza, we get #s 9, 10, 20s (Corr), 30s (Hately), 40s & 50s (existing picks) for our 5 selections & Preuss trade. In that case I wouldn't want to trade any of the first 3 (i.e. first rounders) for anyone available, so it would depend on the value of anyone later.

If we force Cats to trade 2 picks for Jezza (I think Clark would be unlikely), then it would be #s 9, 12, 14, 20s, 30s, 40s for the 5 picks plus Preuss. There's probably a little more scope to trade - but it still depends on who is willing to come to GWS.

OTOH, I'm probably against trading up by using 2 of those first round picks. I'm not convinced the talent is worth 2 picks after you get past the first 5 (JUH, McDOnald, Hollands, Thilthorpe & DGB). Phillips is in there, but I'm not convinced he's worth trading up for (I'm sure others are), when later options at our two teen picks might be sufficient (O'Driscoll, Macrae - although he's a risk of flight home!, Carroll). DGB is possibly one at the back end of that 5 who would still be a good get - to me, better quality and less risky but similar swingman possibilities as Nik Cox later).

Overall, I think perhaps just 1 or at the most 2 recycled players in a couple of those key deficiency areas, but concentrate on long term value via the draft.

Orange Agent · Oct 20, 2020

Believe Zac Touchy is out of contract, would slot straight in as a Williams/Heater replacement, still has 2-3 good years left. I'd back Briggs to come on and be as good as Rutagalea has been. I'd draft a KPF, Sproule is not mobile enough for AFL, give someone 3-4 years development who has the tools to make it. I don't think the list needs too much, just get new deals done on Kelly, Taranto, Riccardi, Taylor. I think SJ will turn Finlayson into a more dangerous fwd than Cameron will be from here on in.

fridgeman · Oct 20, 2020

Report: Dockers put duo on the trade table

The latest trade news out of Fremantle.

www.sen.com.au

Not sure if Blakely would fit but could add experience to the line up and I dont think his salary would be huge aged 24 and 65 games and the questions would be if the club is interested and if he was interested in a move to Sydney

Edit: I thought he was more an outside mid so probably no interest from the club then and Dockers supporters raise questions over his defensive efforts

Giant Strides · Oct 20, 2020

How Jeremy Cameron departure can freshen up the Giants: Hodge

Luke Hodge says Jeremy Cameron's departure can give the Giants a different dimension in attack.

www.sen.com.au

Hodge believes the impact of the pandemic can’t be overlooked in assessing the Giants’ fall from a maiden Grand Final berth in 2019 to 10th this season.

“They’ve lost a couple of players and they were a little bit wayward this year, but so many teams (were) because of the situation of hub life," he said.

“Jeremy Cameron didn’t like hub life, I know a lot of Hawthorn people didn’t like hub life, West Coast players when they came over to Queensland didn’t like hub life.

“This has been a weird year, but you can’t throw everything out. GWS before this year had four really good, consistent years.

“Hopefully if everything goes back to normal you’ll see the GWS we had for the last four years.”

Danny88 · Oct 20, 2020

Giant Strides said:
OK, some interesting titbits of discussion about getting experienced players in vice more draft picks. I had canvassed that briefly in a couple of previous posts, and it's a real question.

Where we've lost experience based on who's left to date:
- KPDs: with Corr leaving and Keeffe, Stein, Buntine & Idun the backups, are we exposed for experience if anyone gets injured? Alternatively, do we draft for the future when Davis & Keeffe retire?
- Medium defenders - losing Heater and Zac at the same time has to hurt; although we could swing Lachie Whitfield

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back, would we prefer to get an experienced defender? We have spoken about Witherden and Clark - neither of whom are actually experienced. Should we look at a Robertson or Savage type of player instead?
- KPDs: with Jezza leaving, is a tall forward line setup out of Riccardi, Himmelberg, Finlayson, Buckley, Sproule plus potentially Flynn & Briggs sufficient? What experienced, capable forwards are there available?

Starting with the latter, I mused about looking at Josh Jenkins

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as a guy who can be the backup ruck and seems to kick goals reliably (in the absence of any available, gettable KPFs), but I'm not convinced we need him (or anyone). We are obviously going to miss Jezza's reliable goal-kicking - as we saw this year when he was off - but perhaps we just need to settle on a forward setup and give it time to develop. Riccardi seems a no-brainer, then one of HH or ToJ, and because Leon loves his three tall setup, either the other of HH/ToJ or try one of the rucks up forward. That would also blood them and give them a chance to see if they can make the grade.

With KPDs, I'm not averse to getting a recycled KPD (as per my previous post a few weeks back), but equally we have the chance to pick up a draftee such as Nik Cox or Heath Chapman for the longer term. If ToJ was used up front, HH could be used in defence (or Buckley) until they were good to go. The value of Nik Cox is that he could be tried as either a defender or forward to discover his best position, and if we were to get 3 selections inside the first 20, we could always get both Chapman and Cox to hedge our bets. A recycled KPD might stifle the development opportunities for the future, so it's a knife-edge call.

Medium defenders is where I think we are weakest - losing 2 in Zac & Heater, plus having two rookies there (Reid & Brown). The only thing is, apart from the junior end of the scale (Witherden - unlikely, more likely to go home to Victoria & Clark - unlikely, more likely to go home to WA), there's no-one I'd really see as worth using a spot on. The alternative would be to recruit a winger (such as Tom Phillips

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Tom Phillips

Age
29

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187cm

Wt
80kg

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22.4

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) to allow us to put Whitfield back into defence as the rebound general & distributor.

Based on losing Jacobs, Shaw, Corr, Williams, Cameron, Hately & Langdon, and picking up Preuss, plus upgrading Buckley, there's 33/38 positions. I'm assuming the cost would be a 30s or 40s pick.

If we just take the FA pick for Jezza, we get #s 9, 10, 20s (Corr), 30s (Hately), 40s & 50s (existing picks) for our 5 selections & Preuss trade. In that case I wouldn't want to trade any of the first 3 (i.e. first rounders) for anyone available, so it would depend on the value of anyone later.

If we force Cats to trade 2 picks for Jezza (I think Clark would be unlikely), then it would be #s 9, 12, 14, 20s, 30s, 40s for the 5 picks plus Preuss. There's probably a little more scope to trade - but it still depends on who is willing to come to GWS.

OTOH, I'm probably against trading up by using 2 of those first round picks. I'm not convinced the talent is worth 2 picks after you get past the first 5 (JUH, McDOnald, Hollands, Thilthorpe & DGB). Phillips is in there, but I'm not convinced he's worth trading up for (I'm sure others are), when later options at our two teen picks might be sufficient (O'Driscoll, Macrae - although he's a risk of flight home!, Carroll). DGB is possibly one at the back end of that 5 who would still be a good get - to me, better quality and less risky but similar swingman possibilities as Nik Cox later).

Overall, I think perhaps just 1 or at the most 2 recycled players in a couple of those key deficiency areas, but concentrate on long term value via the draft.

Great breakdown. I don’t really think we need more KPD depth at the moment. I want to see Idun more and think that 2-3 in reserve is plenty. The medium defender is clearly the problem... I love ash out of defense but want Whitfield to play a wing rather then back there. We now have cap space and a hole to fill.... that has to be our priority

Giant Strides · Oct 20, 2020

Danny88 said:
Great breakdown. I don’t really think we need more KPD depth at the moment. I want to see Idun more and think that 2-3 in reserve is plenty. The medium defender is clearly the problem... I love ash out of defense but want Whitfield to play a wing rather then back there. We now have cap space and a hole to fill.... that has to be our priority

Thoughts on who? I don't mind the suggestion of Touhy, but honestly doubt that he'll want to leave Geelong. Witherden's been mentioned previously, but is a limited player admittedly, and not that much more experienced than who we have.

Danny88 · Oct 20, 2020

Giant Strides said:
Thoughts on who? I don't mind the suggestion of Touhy, but honestly doubt that he'll want to leave Geelong. Witherden's been mentioned previously, but is a limited player admittedly, and not that much more experienced than who we have.

I think we can all put a line through Touhy... he went to the cats for premierships and he won’t jump ship just as they get he best forward line in the comp...

I would love witherden and/or Clark

both are class

Colonial · Oct 20, 2020

Do yourselves a favour and don’t go on the Cameron thread in the trades board.

Wow. Went back there after a break and geez some of the loony tunes efforts.

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Giant Strides · Oct 20, 2020

General Giant said:
Do yourselves a favour and don’t go on the Cameron thread in the trades board.

Wow. Went back there after a break and geez some of the loony tunes efforts.

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Need to send in PMBangers with a flamethrower?

Simmofreo · Oct 20, 2020

Giant Strides said:
WARNING TO ALL VISITORS TO THE GWS BOARD. You are - for the most part - welcome to discuss the list management & trading situation at GWS. However, this is our board, so be respectful of the home board posters, don't have flaming arguments with other non-board posters (make your points succinctly and move on). And if you're just here to troll, because that's as much as your limited intelligence allows you to think (looking at you Bulldogs posters) then don't bother or you will be penalised.

Haha classic

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PMBangers · Oct 20, 2020

Giant Strides said:
Need to send in PMBangers with a flamethrower?

I avoid GWS related threads because I'm an over emotional pretty much teen

PMBangers · Oct 20, 2020

Although I will say personally the conversations between GWS and Cats fans are rather productive, some other teams coming casting stones. Cats seem alright in general, quite like what Pure_Ownage has put up in both this thread and the main board Jezza thread

Colonial · Oct 20, 2020

PMBangers said:
Although I will say personally the conversations between GWS and Cats fans are rather productive, some other teams coming casting stones. Cats seem alright in general, quite like what Pure_Ownage has put up in both this thread and the main board Jezza thread

Yeah he does have some sense to him.

A few of the others not so much

PandaG · Oct 20, 2020

David C said:
A VIC club will go first, North, STK, Bulldogs all on the chopping block.

**** I hate Richmond supporters

Simmofreo · Oct 20, 2020

PandaG said:
fu** I hate Richmond supporters

Haha

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Callums_Guns · Oct 21, 2020

Trade showdown: Giants’ demands for Jeremy Cameron revealed - and they’ll make the Cats bristle

Trade showdown: Giants’ demands for Cameron revealed — Geelong won’t be happy

www.foxsports.com.au

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