List Mgmt. 2020 List Management: Contracts, Trading, Drafting, Academy

[Shadow89]

to get you have to give

nothing is for free and no reason for Geelong to feel a sense of entitlement

Tom Lynch.

 

[Colonial]

Sorry I read your post as Corr was not going home to his native state - ie lumping him in with Williams.

In regard to contracts I don't think we know what Corr was offered at GWS nor wherever he's going.

Likewise we don't know the contract differential between the GWS and Geelong offers for Cameron - given GWS have not even made the decision whether to match.

No worries mate.

The fact we are only considering matching Cameron says it all really.

 

[GWS Goose]

Not true re Corr GG. He's a Victorian returning home just as Cameron is. He doesn't deserve to be judged differently to Cameron.

He also got a very generous offer that we were not in a position to match. Half his luck.

A Player in his pay range, a decent increase in substantial in how it allows them to set themselves up. Assuming the $600K for 5 years is accurate. That sets him up for life. (assuming he is reasonably sensible. ) In what it does for you, the difference between $900 and $1.1mil although big money, doesnt alter you life as much.

In Corr's situation it was an absolute no brainer, I actually judge him far less than I do Cameron.

 

[DanA]

Assuming GWS match and a trade is sort what type of player/s would GWS be looking for?

In terms Geelongs list:

Young best 22:
Clark: Outside mid/defender
Parfitt: Defensive inside mid
Henry: Dour medium defender
Simpson: Medium sized accumulator
Kolodjashnij: Undersized KPD

Noting Simpson and Henry are F/S

Regulars: Guthrie, Menegola, Stewart, O’Connor.

Everyone else I think would be too old or of little value. So what exactly would GWS need or be looking for it to be the right deal?

 

[Mr Magic]

Assuming GWS match and a trade is sort what type of player/s would GWS be looking for?

In terms Geelongs list:

Young best 22:
Clark: Outside mid/defender
Parfitt: Defensive inside mid
Henry: Dour medium defender
Simpson: Medium sized accumulator
Kolodjashnij: Undersized KPD

Noting Simpson and Henry are F/S

Regulars: Guthrie, Menegola, Stewart, O’Connor.

Everyone else I think would be too old or of little value. So what exactly would GWS need or be looking for it to be the right deal?

Clark, Stephens, the rest, meh...

Parfitt will be on the trade table in a few years when Geelong looks to rebuild, lets get real

 

[Mr Magic]

If I am Leon Cameron

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, I am matching and Cameron is in the twos intially to stew on things.

I am calling 2021 a development year with a priority of developing the youngsters, I am saying it in a press conference, and I am ssaying window re-opening 2022 and beyond, whether Cameron and Kelly stick end of 2021 is up to them with Cameron possibly traded

Either way GWS is setup on way or the other and the players can look forward to a strong successful period going forward at GWS!!

So in terms of list management I am looking at development year 2021, 2022 spring into finals contention

 

[Giant Strides]

Assuming GWS match and a trade is sort what type of player/s would GWS be looking for?

In terms Geelongs list:

Young best 22:
Clark: Outside mid/defender
Parfitt: Defensive inside mid
Henry: Dour medium defender
Simpson: Medium sized accumulator
Kolodjashnij: Undersized KPD

Noting Simpson and Henry are F/S

Regulars: Guthrie, Menegola, Stewart, O’Connor.

Everyone else I think would be too old or of little value. So what exactly would GWS need or be looking for it to be the right deal?

Personally, and obviously I may think differently to the club's recruiters, there's a very limited selection that I'd be after (no offence to Cats, just what fits our list demographic and needs):
- Parfitt: more so if Jye departs, although personally I'm not seeing him as really a lot different to the Taranto/Caldwell type we already have
- Clark: that wing/HBF which is where we now have a hole given Shaw & Williams departing. But I get that he's from WA and why would he opt to come to NSW except if we sell him strongly that he'll be best 22 the moment he steps foot in the club (which TBH I reckon he would!).

In short, Clark would be the only one that really interests me; otherwise, I'd be asking for your first 2 picks.

 

[Mr Magic]

Personally, and obviously I may think differently to the club's recruiters, there's a very limited selection that I'd be after (no offence to Cats, just what fits our list demographic and needs):
- Parfitt: more so if Jye departs, although personally I'm not seeing him as really a lot different to the Taranto/Caldwell type we already have
- Clark: that wing/HBF which is where we now have a hole given Shaw & Williams departing. But I get that he's from WA and why would he opt to come to NSW except if we sell him strongly that he'll be best 22 the moment he steps foot in the club (which TBH I reckon he would!).

In short, Clark would be the only one that really interests me; otherwise, I'd be asking for your first 2 picks.

Clark can always be traded to WA or elsewhere later whatever happens later if it suits him

No club can pidgeon hole players forever and a day year after year otherwise dysfunction festers especially players are linked to the relevant generational core of the team make up in terms of premiership window. Even with Jeremy Cameron

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Jeremy Cameron

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, one could not put him in the twos year after year just to spite him, that would be too much and clearly counter productive even for the club and culture. Eventually, when all parties agreed it would be for the best, even with a possibly different destination club of Jeremy's choosing that meets suitably with GWS regarding consideration, it may be best Jeremy moves on.



Clark would be in the sweetspot for premiership window at GWS, if it does not work out in time, so be it, the bridge is crossed and parties are sensible in trade negotiations and adjust and move on

 

[GWS Goose]

Assuming GWS match and a trade is sort what type of player/s would GWS be looking for?

In terms Geelongs list:

Young best 22:
Clark: Outside mid/defender
Parfitt: Defensive inside mid
Henry: Dour medium defender
Simpson: Medium sized accumulator
Kolodjashnij: Undersized KPD

Noting Simpson and Henry are F/S

Regulars: Guthrie, Menegola, Stewart, O’Connor.

Everyone else I think would be too old or of little value. So what exactly would GWS need or be looking for it to be the right deal?

Good Question.
Do you know what we lack, mature mid range, mid cost, job done players. We have plenty of top end talent, plenty of youngsters who look like they will be really good, but still make rookie lapses. We also have a few mature role players or fillers (Reid, Kennedy, Keefe).
Menegola might fit that class (probably the high end of the sort of player Im talking about)

 

[Danny88]

I did not like the look of Ward at all at HBF/Wing this year. Looked like a fish out of water and doesn't kick it well enough.

The better answer is to turn Coniglio into the highest paid tagger in history then use DeBoer mainly for depth - otherwise NEAFL. That frees up another midfield spot.

Then the other centre square rotations are out of Taranto/Green/Hopper/Caldwell.

As hard as it is to say I really think that Ward is surplus to requirements if the intention is to get midfield games into Green/Caldwell.

That’s fair enough but I disagree. I don’t like ward on a wing either. But he only played a few games at half back and I want to reserve my judgement there. In terms of cogs as a tagger.... you just cannot be serious. He butchered the ball a lot this year and it was hard to watch. But I think he has enough credits in the bank to get another go around in the middle. I think his forward work is serviceable

 

[Danny88]

Personally, and obviously I may think differently to the club's recruiters, there's a very limited selection that I'd be after (no offence to Cats, just what fits our list demographic and needs):
- Parfitt: more so if Jye departs, although personally I'm not seeing him as really a lot different to the Taranto/Caldwell type we already have
- Clark: that wing/HBF which is where we now have a hole given Shaw & Williams departing. But I get that he's from WA and why would he opt to come to NSW except if we sell him strongly that he'll be best 22 the moment he steps foot in the club (which TBH I reckon he would!).

In short, Clark would be the only one that really interests me; otherwise, I'd be asking for your first 2 picks.

Really rate Clark.... he would be brilliant for us

 

[Dangerousfield]

Rarely do trades involve players going both ways and that's because a player of value to the losing team almost never wants to leave the receiving team.

This will get done for picks, pick 11 is a given, slight haggle over the other first rounder but reckon it will get done quickly for the WCE first. Geelong get their man, still have a first rounder, albeit very late.

Gives both teams plenty of time to work other trades if they want to. Lucky Cameron wasn't going to Essendon! I feel for Brisbane with the Daniher trade

 

[Mr Magic]

Rarely do trades involve players going both ways and that's because a player of value to the losing team almost never wants to leave the receiving team.

This will get done for picks, pick 11 is a given, slight haggle over the other first rounder but reckon it will get done quickly for the WCE first. Geelong get their man, still have a first rounder, albeit very late.

Gives both teams plenty of time to work other trades if they want to. Lucky Cameron wasn't going to Essendon! I feel for Brisbane with the Daniher trade

It won't because GWS can match, keep Cameron and the situation can't degenerate further, only upside for GWS. Cameron might even get a better destination out of it if clubs are aware Cameron is available end of 2021 and can prepare better bids.

Teams like Saints can clear the decks, make a bid for Cameron end of 2021 and give Cameron a better window.

Gold Coast might bid for Cameron end of 2021.

Rowell to Cameron to King, look out, GWS get plenty back in a trade for their window!!

Cameron to Gold Coast in 2021 looks the smartest plays for all clubs assuming Cameron willing to fish off Queensland in terms of clubs extracting opportunity to win premierships including Cameron as a player

 

[Giant Strides]

Rarely do trades involve players going both ways and that's because a player of value to the losing team almost never wants to leave the receiving team.

This will get done for picks, pick 11 is a given, slight haggle over the other first rounder but reckon it will get done quickly for the WCE first. Geelong get their man, still have a first rounder, albeit very late.

Gives both teams plenty of time to work other trades if they want to. Lucky Cameron wasn't going to Essendon! I feel for Brisbane with the Daniher trade

Yes, while there might be more huffing and puffing, I do expect that this will be the ultimate outcome. Anything less and we will have failed to extract reasonable value. Anything more would be a bonus.

 

[Giant Pete]

Clarke is a flight risk. What about Kolodjashni? Him and at least a first round pick.

 

[Giant Strides]

What about Kolodjashni? Him and at least a first round pick.

Kolo would be fine - I just doubt he'd want to leave.

 

[Colonial]

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just got a message from an old friend:


Feel free to post a screen shot of this to the 2020 Draft, Academy, Trade Thread;

Who the f*ck is giving air time to that Mr Magic plonker? I’ve seen some delusional shit on that board over the years, but he’s by far the worst.

Just kick the moron off the board already.

Yours Sincerely,

inamedthegiants, MelbourneGiant, and any other of the 9 accounts I’ve been banned from who’s names I’ve forgotten.

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[dlanod]

Look, I didn't agree with him all that often beyond the virtues of BlackFont but I'm on board with that sentiment.

 

[gee whiz giant]

Yeah, I think everyone here has been very tolerant of the babble of that Richmond supporter, we're all too well mannered to say-"mate, you're not making an ounce of sense, AGAIN".

 

[Giant Strides]

So, Saints board ITK reckons that Caldwell has told GWS that's he's off to them - just wants to tell a few teammates first, before it's announced. I guess we'll see soon enough.

If so, it's better than heading to Essendon - that would be a shitfight and a half. First round pick, neat, thanks.

 

[GWS Goose]

So, Saints board ITK reckons that Caldwell has told GWS that's he's off to them - just wants to tell a few teammates first, before it's announced. I guess we'll see soon enough.

If so, it's better than heading to Essendon - that would be a shitfight and a half. First round pick, neat, thanks.

We'll wait and see. Unlikely if true, that they will sit on it too long.
In fact it is probably getting to the point if true it would already be announced.

 

[CatToTheFuture]

Personally, and obviously I may think differently to the club's recruiters, there's a very limited selection that I'd be after (no offence to Cats, just what fits our list demographic and needs):
- Parfitt: more so if Jye departs, although personally I'm not seeing him as really a lot different to the Taranto/Caldwell type we already have
- Clark: that wing/HBF which is where we now have a hole given Shaw & Williams departing. But I get that he's from WA and why would he opt to come to NSW except if we sell him strongly that he'll be best 22 the moment he steps foot in the club (which TBH I reckon he would!).

In short, Clark would be the only one that really interests me; otherwise, I'd be asking for your first 2 picks.

Not taken. I can understand why Clark would be the only one you'd be super interested in. I think it would be a very low probability any players get shaken loose given the short turnaround for trading contracted players. I think that despite a bit of positing on both sides probably two firsts go your way. Kind of shame as I really wanted us to draft a kid like Perkins or maybe O'Driscoll.

 

[GWS Goose]

Not taken. I can understand why Clark would be the only one you'd be super interested in. I think it would be a very low probability any players get shaken loose given the short turnaround for trading contracted players. I think that despite a bit of positing on both sides probably two firsts go your way. Kind of shame as I really wanted us to draft a kid like Perkins or maybe O'Driscoll.

I reckon getting Jezza will probably soften the blow a little.

 

[Giant Pete]

If it’s true Caldwell, then surely XOH stays?!?!

 

[CatToTheFuture]

I reckon getting Jezza will probably soften the blow a little.

Yeah not gonna lie I'd still make the trade for sure

 

[THE_GUN]

Not going to be the end of the world GWS has a great list and HH,Finlayson &Riccardi are enough tall fowards with Greene also plays tall

If i am GWS list manager
top 10 pick + Sam Dekoning is what i would DEMAND