List Mgmt. 2020 List Management: Contracts, Trading, Drafting, Academy

Shadow89 · Oct 19, 2020

Mr Magic said:
to get you have to give

nothing is for free and no reason for Geelong to feel a sense of entitlement

Tom Lynch.

Orange Agent · Oct 30, 2020

captainMyCaptain said:
Might be worth a serious look

Doesnt tackle, we have enough fwds that do that.

Orange Agent · Oct 30, 2020

Cameron apparently $1mil a season. And we get accused of not having a salary cap.

letseenow · Oct 30, 2020

Orange Agent said:
Cameron apparently $1mil a season. And we get accused of not having a salary cap.

Well we have talked a big game re matching the bid now lets see what we do. I'm betting we are all talk and don't match the offer anyone want to bet? This is the problem with big talk eventually you have to deliver and the time is now.

What you got big mouth Matthews? or as most suspect you are full of hot air. Maybe if you had moved on Leon we wouldn't be in as much crap as we are.

Dangerousfield · Oct 30, 2020

After Crouch gets pick 2 compo, your compo pick for Cameron will be pick 12.

A lot of talk about matching, examples of Treloar and Shiel, asking for Parfitt and first rounders. Surely you don't now just fold and show you were all hot air and bluff?

Time to make history and force a trade, Geelong aren't letting Cameron slip into the drafts, they need him now before their ageing list hits the wall.

Interesting few days!

Giant Strides · Oct 30, 2020

I'd still love to chisel Jordan Clark out of Geelong. Pick 11 (or whatever it will slide back to - but only 2 spots lower than a straight compo pick) plus Clark would be a great return for me. I know he's from WA and the chatter is about him going home, but boy if we could convince him that Sydney's fine and he's got a sure spot on our wing ...

We could drop Whitfield back to be the defensive general with Ash & Cumming the running HBFs, then Clark on one wing ... that would be a strong line up in my view. (And of course I'd like to draft Heath Chapman to take over the vacant tall defender position - but as a running/rebounding tall that would be a great, well-balanced setup IMHO.)

PMBangers · Oct 30, 2020

Giant Strides said:
I'd still love to chisel Jordan Clark

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out of Geelong. Pick 11 (or whatever it will slide back to - but only 2 spots lower than a straight compo pick) plus Clark would be a great return for me. I know he's from WA and the chatter is about him going home, but boy if we could convince him that Sydney's fine and he's got a sure spot on our wing ...

We could drop Whitfield back to be the defensive general with Ash & Cumming the running HBFs, then Clark on one wing ... that would be a strong line up in my view. (And of course I'd like to draft Heath Chapman to take over the vacant tall defender position - but as a running/rebounding tall that would be a great, well-balanced setup IMHO.)

It'd be much more likely now than say last week when they didn't just sign one of the better wingers in the comp, does this put his spot in danger? He wasn't even best 22 for them this year so how does he break in ahead of the incoming Higgins, Cameron and Smith?

Giant Strides · Oct 30, 2020

PMBangers said:
It'd be much more likely now than say last week when they didn't just sign one of the better wingers in the comp, does this put his spot in danger? He wasn't even best 22 for them this year so how does he break in ahead of the incoming Higgins, Cameron and Smith?

Yes, I agree - that's exactly the thought I had with today's news on Isaac Smith. Hopefully it's unsettled young Jordan, and he's contemplating what's in his best interest. The biggest problem is obviously trying to forestall him going home to Freo. (Best outcome there might be Clark freeing up Jessie Hogan for no direct cost to us and maybe some $ being paid.) Get in his ear McCartney!

Andre the Giant · Oct 30, 2020

captainMyCaptain said:
Might be worth a serious look

He’s not right in the head unfortunately.

Del28562 · Oct 30, 2020

Dangerousfield said:
After Crouch gets pick 2 compo, your compo pick for Cameron will be pick 12.

A lot of talk about matching, examples of Treloar and Shiel, asking for Parfitt and first rounders. Surely you don't now just fold and show you were all hot air and bluff?

Time to make history and force a trade, Geelong aren't letting Cameron slip into the drafts, they need him now before their ageing list hits the wall.

Interesting few days!

pick 2 for crouch, we'll need Darryl Kerrigan to tell you

If I was GWS I would match the offer, as a cats supporter I don't want Cameron, I can't see and Hawkins working at all. And it's time GWS made a stand, another 4 quality players out the door.

Id try trade Cameron to Collingwood, just quietly I think Grundy is very gettable for you guys as a straight swap

PMBangers · Oct 30, 2020

Trent the flight Steward said:
pick 2 for crouch, we'll need Darryl Kerrigan to tell you

If I was GWS I would match the offer, as a cats supporter I don't want Cameron, I can't see and Hawkins working at all. And it's time GWS made a stand, another 4 quality players out the door.

Id try trade Cameron to Collingwood, just quietly I think Grundy is very gettable for you guys as a straight swap

So 1 over paid and under performing player for a reasonably paid and under performing player? Recruiting Grundy would be a slap in the face to guys like Williams and Corr

Del28562 · Oct 30, 2020

PMBangers said:
So 1 over paid and under performing player for a reasonably paid and under performing player? Recruiting Grundy would be a slap in the face to guys like Williams and Corr

Apart from the second half this season, Brodie Grundy has been enormous for three and half years, multiple AA ruck, not sure corr or Williams will ever get in the 40

captainMyCaptain · Oct 30, 2020

Orange Agent said:
Cameron apparently $1mil a season. And we get accused of not having a salary cap.

Yep fair to say his move had lot more to do with money then was indicated

Geelong has tabled a mega five-year, $4.75 million deal for Greater Western Sydney free agent Jeremy Cameron

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The monster Cats offer, averaging out at about $950,000 per season, including incentives, has a trigger for a sixth season in the hoops if he plays a certain number of games in the fifth year of the contract.

The deal, which will make Cameron one of the top two highest-paid players at the Cattery alongside superstar Patrick Dangerfield, exceeds expectations and it is unclear whether the Giants will match it.

“It’s an eye-watering offer and contradicts the theory Geelong never backs up the truck to land a player,” a senior football manager said on Friday.

GWS has offered Cameron, 27, about $750,000 a season over five years, far less than his most recent contract.

If the Giants opt not to match the Geelong offer, they will be handed pick 12 in next month’s national draft as compensation for the 2019 Coleman medallist.

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gee whiz giant · Oct 31, 2020

PMBangers said:
It's an effect of us and the Suns coming into the comp.

I would say that a draftee's profile has been highlighted so much by the footy press in the last 5-10 years, with potential Top 10 kids being as well known as 20-30 gamers at a club, that high draft picks come in with heightened expectations of their career path. It will all fall into place like it did in their draft year, and when it doesn't, they get impatient & restless.

Jackson Hately will no doubt end up an accumulator. Whether he can distribute effectively is another matter. He reads the play well, gets into position for the ball, but underwhelms with ball in hand. He may improve, would be a very "Crouch-like' replacement for the Crows.
Jye Caldwell, I sort of expected to see a bit more ' fighting spirit' given his boxing background, but in his short time at the club, he didn't really do that much more to show his wares than other high draft picks like Aiden Bonar and Paul Ahern. All the backgrounding by Caruso and Quayle came to nothing as he piddled off at the first opportunity. Shades of Caleb Marchbank there. He only wanted to play for a VFL team.

Giant Strides · Oct 31, 2020

Well, so much for the theory that Geelong don't throw over-the-top money at anyone.

And similarly so much for the rubbish Vicmedia reports that the departures from GWS aren't about money - Jezza, Williams, Corr, Caldwell & Hately all going on deals worth considerably above their current value; obviously several having the added bonus of ''going home''.

Herne Hill Hammer · Oct 31, 2020

Giant Strides said:
Well, so much for the theory that Geelong don't throw over-the-top money at anyone.

And similarly so much for the rubbish Vicmedia reports that the departures from GWS aren't about money - Jezza, Williams, Corr, Caldwell & Hately all going on deals worth considerably above their current value; obviously several having the added bonus of ''going home''.

Is Cameron just lucky enough to be the right player in the right circumstances at the right time?

I don't think Geelong would normally pay anyone this much, but do Geelong think it's money well spent if GWS don't match so they get to keep all of their draft picks?

Cameron is just the beneficiary of the circumstance / business decision.

Personally, I'm not too fussed if we get him or not. I'm keen for Geelong to go to the draft, it's not often we have picks like this.

Giant Strides · Oct 31, 2020

Herne Hill Hammer said:
Is Cameron just lucky enough to be the right player in the right circumstances at the right time?

I don't think Geelong would normally pay anyone this much, but do Geelong think it's money well spent if GWS don't match so they get to keep all of their draft picks?

Possibly. I (personally) don't think the just below $1m is actually enough to ''blow us out of the water'' - we would have the money (especially given the multiple departures this year) & have paid around that mark to Jezza in the past, but don't want to spend that high on Jezza going forward - we need to drag everyone down to a more amenable level of contract (more in line with the Cats' approach!).

I think Corr & Williams' offers were closer to ''blowing us out of the water'' - we couldn't possibly spend that amount of money on role players, where you would for a match winner like Jezza.

Dangerousfield · Oct 31, 2020

So what's the feeling, after all the tough talk are you matching or backing down and taking just pick 12?

Herne Hill Hammer · Oct 31, 2020

Giant Strides said:
Possibly. I (personally) don't think the just below $1m is actually enough to ''blow us out of the water'' - we would have the money (especially given the multiple departures this year) & have paid around that mark to Jezza in the past, but don't want to spend that high on Jezza going forward - we need to drag everyone down to a more amenable level of contract (more in line with the Cats' approach!).

I think Corr & Williams' offers were closer to ''blowing us out of the water'' - we couldn't possibly spend that amount of money on role players, where you would for a match winner like Jezza.

Yeah, the Williams numbers staggers me. I remember Wilson going to Freo 2 or 3 years ago. The last time I saw him, he was patting his pregnant partner's tummy on the front page of the West Australian newspaper and she was dressed in lingerie.

Colonial · Oct 31, 2020

Dangerousfield said:
So what's the feeling, after all the tough talk are you matching or backing down and taking just pick 12?

Bullshit comment.

We talked matching when the thought was the offer was 850 or less.

Over a million? I say we take the pick and worry about 2021.

Callums_Guns · Oct 31, 2020

General Giant said:
Bullshit comment.

We talked matching when the thought was the offer was 850 or less.

Over a million? I say we take the pick and worry about 2021.

I say we have the cap space, match the contract and force the trade

Obtain another pick and a player

Danny88 · Oct 31, 2020

Callums_Guns said:
I say we have the cap space, match the contract and force the trade

Obtain another pick and a player

Player trades are just so rare

Orange Agent · Oct 31, 2020

Callums_Guns said:
I say we have the cap space, match the contract and force the trade

Obtain another pick and a player

For the sake of the competition, if we are able to match then we should do it. Can't allow them keep their first rounders as well bring in 3 experienced players.

Heeney2Franklin · Oct 31, 2020

Definitely not hot air this time.

GWS inform Geelong of intention to match Cameron free agency offer

News just in.

www.sen.com.au

Giant Strides · Oct 31, 2020

Cue the utter ****wits on the Geelong board starting to dribble about 'GWS don't respect the player to let him leave ... so we'll just put him through the PSD.'

There are a few reasonable posters who can see the equivalent to the Kelly situation or understand Jezza's true value ... but they're in the minority!

Mini GF · Oct 31, 2020

Go the furkin Giants!!! Stick it up the weak as piss nepotistic school tie toffs at VFL House. I just wish it had of been us.

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