List Mgmt. 2020 List Management: Contracts, Trading, Drafting, Academy

[Shadow89]

to get you have to give

nothing is for free and no reason for Geelong to feel a sense of entitlement

Tom Lynch.

 

[JC100]

Now that the Giants are matching what do Giants feel is acceptable. I have absolutely no interest in hearing what Haw, WCE, Adel or Rich fans think for obvious reasons.

Given I believe no club has ever traded 3 first round picks for a player let alone one turning 28 before the season and nearly all previous 2 “1st round” trades have involved a 2nd round pick going back. Ie Lever, Gibbs, Treloar, Shiel, Prestia, Beams, OMeara etc. I know everyone wants as much as they can get but what will you feel comfortable with.

* 3 first round picks
* Two first round picks + Hogan
* 2 first round picks
* 2 first round picks but a 2nd round pick back to Geelong
* Pick inside top 8

In this draft the cats 3 first round picks is about the mark. Probably favours the cats slightly. All 3 could potentially land outside a normal first round pick (1-18) which means the giants would end up with 3 seconds for Cameron which would still be better than the compo pick but massive unders for a player of Cameron’s standing.

What I hope the club is pushing for us the earliest of this years cats picks, 2021 first plus a player with my preference being Parfitt. Cats can have a 2020 second back.

Two top 10 picks if it was picks only would be Cameron’s value but the cats don’t have that.

Hogan isn’t relevant in trade discussions for Cameron.

 

[GWS Goose]

Now that the Giants are matching what do Giants feel is acceptable. I have absolutely no interest in hearing what Haw, WCE, Adel or Rich fans think for obvious reasons.

Given I believe no club has ever traded 3 first round picks for a player let alone one turning 28 before the season and nearly all previous 2 “1st round” trades have involved a 2nd round pick going back. Ie Lever, Gibbs, Treloar, Shiel, Prestia, Beams, OMeara etc. I know everyone wants as much as they can get but what will you feel comfortable with.

* 3 first round picks
* Two first round picks + Hogan
* 2 first round picks
* 2 first round picks but a 2nd round pick back to Geelong
* Pick inside top 8

Obviously the answer is as much as possible.
I thought the teams would try and use the compo pick as part of the deal (with a secondary trade not including Cameron), not sure if that is still an option.
I think one of those picks in the teens (or 2 with something going back to Geelong) and a decent player would be an excellent outcome. (Of course depending who the player is depends on what goes around it)
2 first rounders is probably more likely.

 

[OrangeDuck]

The issue isn't our focus, it's how many AFL quality players want to come to GWS, which evidently isn't many

True. But are we more likely to convince a player with a few years in the AFL system to stay at our club or a wide-eyed teenager who is overwhelmed by the lights of the big time?

 

[PMBangers]

True. But are we more likely to convince a player with a few years in the AFL system to stay at our club or a wide-eyed teenager who is overwhelmed by the lights of the big time?

Who are we convincing from Geelong to move to GWS? I'm all for bringing in a quality player, but I don't want to be bringing in someone like Esava Ratugolea

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for the sake of bringing in a player over backing ourselves in with a draft pick

 

[Pure_Ownage]

The issue isn't our focus, it's how many AFL quality players want to come to GWS, which evidently isn't many

I think players will want to come youre a good club.
What types of players do you think your list needs? My observations would be you maybe want a young kry defender and a ruck and they are the two weakest areas of our list so i cant see an obvious player swap there. I could only see a player working if its a 3 club trade where we help you get a player from somewhere else but interested to hear your thoughts. To me draft picks seem to be a more obvious swap.

 

[PMBangers]

I think players will want to come youre a good club.
What types of players do you think your list needs? My observations would be you maybe want a young kry defender and a ruck and they are the two weakest areas of our list so i cant see an obvious player swap there. I could only see a player working if its a 3 club trade where we help you get a player from somewhere else but interested to hear your thoughts. To me draft picks seem to be a more obvious swap.

I'm thinking picks make the most sense unless we can somehow pry out SDK as a developmental opportunity, but doubt that.
Obviously Parfitt would be good but that seems really unlikely, I wouldn't mind Narkle but feel like that would be a steak knives type more than a replacement for a pick

 

[JC100]

I think players will want to come youre a good club.
What types of players do you think your list needs? My observations would be you maybe want a young kry defender and a ruck and they are the two weakest areas of our list so i cant see an obvious player swap there. I could only see a player working if its a 3 club trade where we help you get a player from somewhere else but interested to hear your thoughts. To me draft picks seem to be a more obvious swap.

Speed through the midfield is the other area of need. The preference has to be to take a young ready to go player from Geelong as this hurts Geelong going forward.
Draft picks is the easy option for the cats however our team is a premiership contender so draft picks don’t help with that. We needy players that can slot straight in and have an impact.

 

[Pure_Ownage]

I'm thinking picks make the most sense unless we can somehow pry out SDK as a developmental opportunity, but doubt that.
Obviously Parfitt would be good but that seems really unlikely, I wouldn't mind Narkle but feel like that would be a steak knives type more than a replacement for a pick

Id be prepared to trade sdk (we would have to draft another key back) but i think the chances he leaves vic while his brother is at carlton are low.
Parfitt id consider but his manager was very adamant last week that he wont move.
Im sure we would be prepared to part with guys like constable or narkle but whether you have a use for them given how good your midfield is is another matter.

 

[PMBangers]

Id be prepared to trade sdk (we would have to draft another key back) but i think the chances he leaves vic while his brother is at carlton are low.
Parfitt id consider but his manager was very adamant last week that he wont move.
Im sure we would be prepared to part with guys like constable or narkle but whether you have a use for them given how good your midfield is is another matter.

Constable wouldn't be getting in ahead of any of our inside mids imo, Narkle I'dput on a wing or forward flank, wing especially is an area of need. For similar reasons I'd love Jordan Clark

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, but that seems even more unlikely than Parfitt

 

[Pure_Ownage]

I'm thinking picks make the most sense unless we can somehow pry out SDK as a developmental opportunity, but doubt that.
Obviously Parfitt would be good but that seems really unlikely, I wouldn't mind Narkle but feel like that would be a steak knives type more than a replacement for a pick

Id be prepared to trade sdk (we would have to draft another key back) but i think the chances he leaves vic while

Speed through the midfield is the other area of need. The preference has to be to take a young ready to go player from Geelong as this hurts Geelong going forward.
Draft picks is the easy option for the cats however our team is a premiership contender so draft picks don’t help with that. We needy players that can slot straight in and have an impact.

Thats tricky because our midfield is good but one paced so we dont have much to deal..thats why we brought in smith to address it.
The only possible i could see there is clark but if he only wants to go back to WA theres not much we can do.
Tbh geelong always seem to trade well so i doubt we will refuse to trade a player but the issue is we cant force any player to be in the trade the player has to want to be in it which is the issue.
Maybe a third club can help unlock that.

 

[Pure_Ownage]

Constable wouldn't be getting in ahead of any of our inside mids imo, Narkle I'dput on a wing or forward flank, wing especially is an area of need. For similar reasons I'd love Jordan Clark

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, but that seems even more unlikely than Parfitt

Agree re constable hed have the same issues getting games with you as with us.
Narkle is good if you can get his workrate up to standard.
Clark i think if you can offer him a regular spot might consider it but i think you would need to offer him a lot more money than fremantle would to get him to nsw.

 

[PMBangers]

Clark i think if you can offer him a regular spot might consider it but i think you would need to offer him a lot more money than fremantle would to get him to nsw.

Yeah that's the big issue with retaining players for us as well, we usually have to pay an interstate tax for players from traditional footy states, and it leads us to salary cap issues like we've had in the past, but for a guy that would be around for 10-12 years I'd be happy to pay a little bit of a premium initially

 

[ClockworkOrange]

i doubt we will refuse to trade a player but the issue is we cant force any player to be in the trade the player has to want to be in it which is the issue.

Maybe a third club can help unlock that.

I agree that the most logical way that this impasse could be unlocked is via a 3rd club.

We find player/s, then the Cattery will need to deliver - painfully so - with current and future picks/players to make it happen.

The Cameron trade simply will not happen for picks alone.

 

[Pure_Ownage]

Yeah that's the big issue with retaining players for us as well, we usually have to pay an interstate tax for players from traditional footy states, and it leads us to salary cap issues like we've had in the past, but for a guy that would be around for 10-12 years I'd be happy to pay a little bit of a premium initially

True..and i suppose thats an issue for non vic clubs in terms of do you pay overs to keep guys when they are younger and hope they improve long term to where it turns out to be a great investment or do you stick to a more merit pay structure and lose more players along the way as a result? Its a tough judgement call to make.

 

[Pure_Ownage]

I agree that the most logical way that this impasse could be unlocked is via a 3rd club.

We find player/s, then the Cattery will need to deliver - painfully so - with current and future picks/players to make it happen.

The Cameron trade simply will not happen for picks alone.

I suppose the definition of painfully is the key thing..every club will cop some pain to get a trade done but theres a tipping point pain wise where any trade is too much..im sure thats what the two clubs are trying to work through in terms of an outcome both sides can live with.

I agree a 3rd club is the most likely way the trade gets done if it gets done, and hopefully it does.

 

[Shadow89]

I agree that the most logical way that this impasse could be unlocked is via a 3rd club.

We find player/s, then the Cattery will need to deliver - painfully so - with current and future picks/players to make it happen.

The Cameron trade simply will not happen for picks alone.

IMO there are 5 clubs that we are involved with/likely to be involved with, in one way or another:

North (S. Higgins)
Brisbane (Cockatoo)
Essendon (Caldwell)
Freo (Hogan, Narkle & very small possibility - Clark)
Melbourne (Preuss)

Basically just have to see if any of our players would be happy to go to any of those clubs/any of those club's other players would be happy to go to you guys, and then work it out from there

 

[dlanod]

I agree that the most logical way that this impasse could be unlocked is via a 3rd club.

We find player/s, then the Cattery will need to deliver - painfully so - with current and future picks/players to make it happen.

The Cameron trade simply will not happen for picks alone.

That's the common way of saving face - demand a player, and then a random guy from a third club gets thrown into the mix even though it's not really part of the trade. Say, two first round picks to GWS and a third round pick to Freo to bring Hogan over as an example, even though the third could have just come to GWS and they send it on separately.

 

[Pure_Ownage]

That's the common way of saving face - demand a player, and then a random guy from a third club gets thrown into the mix even though it's not really part of the trade. Say, two first round picks to GWS and a third round pick to Freo to bring Hogan over as an example, even though the third could have just come to GWS and they send it on separately.

True that..clubs could do the trades separately (both your hogan one and ours) its often just PR optics to do it that way. That said if we have a player who freo wants who wants to go to WA only and not NSW it might be logical this time.

 

[Giant Strides]

OK, so away from the GWS-Jezza-Geelong battlefront, the alleged news on Brad Crouch

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is certainly interesting. Supposedly the contract offer from Saints won't trigger band 1 compensation, so our picks won't get pushed back any further. The next thing will be whether Saints trade for him, another club comes into play for him (perhaps GCS or Essendon), or he elects to simply take the matched contract conditions and stay with the Crows. A lot of claims & counter claims around his desired goal, so hard to tell at this point what the final outcome will be. But no compo at pick 2 is good - if Adelaide doesn't let him go for band 2 or 3 compo, even better as Corr's pick doesn't get pushed back another place. The interesting thing will be if he doesn't go to Saints, would they renew their offer for Caldwell. I still think Saints would be easier to deal with and likely to get a higher trade value than Essendon & Dodoro.

 

[Colonial]

 

[Simmofreo]

I like the club's initiative with this

Takes a lot of the heresay out of things

 

[captainMyCaptain]

Matching now official

 

[Giant Strides]

I am bemused at the number of Cats fans who didn't think we would match - that the leaked ''advice to Cats management'' was just huff & puff.

 

[Colonial]

 

[Simmofreo]

I am bemused at the number of Cats fans who didn't think we would match - that the leaked ''advice to Cats management'' was just huff & puff.

They knew we would. I think they are just pissed because they HOPED We wouldn't.

How I read it is that the fans, and probably even the cats, knew our offer was significantly lower than geelongs. So they thought we could not afford to match.

However (and this is purely my opinion). I think Jezza has been very honest with the club, and I think this has been the plan all along. Make Geelong think our offer was close so they bump up their offer to put it out if reach for us, and us and Jezza
Knowing we would match to get the best result. I have met Jeremy and he is a ripper guy. I truly believe he has no issues with the club and wants them to be compensated fairly.