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List Mgmt. 2020 List Management, Free Agency & Trade thread - Part 2
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If we take two in the rookie draft that is still only 43 on the list. We can take pre season pick first if we wish as you say, or hold it for a Pre-Season Supplementary Selection / Mid season draft / run one short
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I'm not melting over the draft as I have never seen a single player outside of a 90 second highlight clip but saying Hamling will transition to a key forward then stating the forward line is not that bare...doesn't quite add up.
The only thing I don't get is picking Banfield up again, I have seen enough of him to know he won't force his way into the midfield and is a terrible AFL forward.
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Pearce
Cox
Hamling
Logue
Chapman
Probably not Chapman next season, but if the 4 above are all fit, they just don’t go into 2 positions with Ryan taking any third opposition tall, but are all good enough to be our 2 key defenders.
We need a tall forward when required to compete in the air & get the ball to ground. Hamling, Cox & Pearce all have forward experience either at Junior level or AFL in Cox’s case.
There are options if Tabs or Lobb go down, but as always that is dependant on fitness.
Cox
Hamling
Logue
Chapman
Probably not Chapman next season, but if the 4 above are all fit, they just don’t go into 2 positions with Ryan taking any third opposition tall, but are all good enough to be our 2 key defenders.
We need a tall forward when required to compete in the air & get the ball to ground. Hamling, Cox & Pearce all have forward experience either at Junior level or AFL in Cox’s case.
There are options if Tabs or Lobb go down, but as always that is dependant on fitness.
I said Hamling could transition to a key forward, I predict he’ll be the one that moves from defense. But he’s not the only option.
key forwards:
Taberner (AA)
Lobb
Other key forward options (robbing Peter to pay Paul):
Fyfe
Cox
Hamling
Even Pearce or Logue are options
All the above could physically match key defenders.
Medium / small forwards;
Walters (AA)
Sturt (1st rounder)
Henry (1st rounder)
Shultz
Frederick
Crowden
Switta
Western
Colyer
If someone like Lloyd Meek improved, he could ruck and Sean Darcy could provide a target up front. I’m not saying Lobb, Taberner and Darcy works, I’m saying we have plenty of options. Personally I think Hamling makes the most sense. Has expressed a desire to play forward and would love to stick it to Ross. Sometimes proving people wrong is amazing motivation. It also might preserve him, given the amount of running required for his ankle.
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Mundy likely an option up forward as much as Fyfe. It will probably be his last year, but he won't be a full time midfielder as we'll continue the development of the younger players - and also going back to regular time quarters - but he's too skillful a player to not be used somewhere when he's not in the centre.
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No matter how many names you throw up for who COULD play forward right now the forward line and in particular tall forwards is bare.
The bigger surprise for me was that we didn’t find a smaller forward/midfielder. Once Cox was gone the “next best” player with KPF potential looks a long way off our first pick. I had expected someone like Cook could be in purple, but not to be.
Why would we want... like... any... tall?
We never had the picks to get a decent key forward so why take a tall that's more than likely not going to turn out or wasn't rated by us just so we can say we got a tall?
Feels like some on this board would walk into the car dealership looking for a Ferrari with $50k in your pocket and then walk out buying a Mitsubishi Starion that you got for $2k feeling happy with yourself because you landed that sports car you wanted.
With all the new / returning defenders we have for next year, someone is either going to have to transition to another position or Peel will have the strongest defence in WAFL history.
Our defence last year was very solid, and next year we can add back in Alex Pearce, Joel Hamling, Griffin Logue and Hayden Young - along with a developing key defender in Heath Chapman. There are not that many spots on the list, so someone has to miss out or transform.
Here are some suggestions - no idea if any of them would work, but based on what I see as their attributes and in the case of Cox on demonstrated ability.
Cox to KPF. I know people worry about his kicking, but he has a pretty sound field kick so I think his goal kicking will have improved or will be able to improve. I'd love to see him training with the forwards this year. This from two years ago before we were forced to move him back to defence.
Duman to a wing? He has size, speed and is a good field kick.
Stephen Hill back to a wing? Look back at his highlights, if he can get back to playing consistently injury free he is one of the best in the game.
Hayden Young to a wing? I think this will be a natural progression for him and looking at the size he has already added, maybe stints as an inside mid.
Logue / Hamling / Pearce to KPF. I think all of them have the aerial ability to play forward, and I'd rather see them there than at Peel IF WE NEED THEM. I know people will cite previous issues with goal kicking, but I have been assured by many on this board that skill can be trained and improved. We get frustrated when one of our players misses a set shot, but the reality is that league wide only one out of every two set shots results in a goal. Jack Reiwoldt has a set shot accuracy of 45% and I'm sure we would jump at the chance to play him.
So that would leave us with real or POTENTIAL marking forwards of:
All in all I think we have added some really exciting options this year to a squad which was already strong pending injuries. We now just need to bed down the new game style and get development into our young guys - including positional flexibility - and we will see a steady climb up the ladder. I'm backing us for the eight next year.
Our defence last year was very solid, and next year we can add back in Alex Pearce, Joel Hamling, Griffin Logue and Hayden Young - along with a developing key defender in Heath Chapman. There are not that many spots on the list, so someone has to miss out or transform.
Here are some suggestions - no idea if any of them would work, but based on what I see as their attributes and in the case of Cox on demonstrated ability.
Cox to KPF. I know people worry about his kicking, but he has a pretty sound field kick so I think his goal kicking will have improved or will be able to improve. I'd love to see him training with the forwards this year. This from two years ago before we were forced to move him back to defence.
Duman to a wing? He has size, speed and is a good field kick.
Stephen Hill back to a wing? Look back at his highlights, if he can get back to playing consistently injury free he is one of the best in the game.
Hayden Young to a wing? I think this will be a natural progression for him and looking at the size he has already added, maybe stints as an inside mid.
Logue / Hamling / Pearce to KPF. I think all of them have the aerial ability to play forward, and I'd rather see them there than at Peel IF WE NEED THEM. I know people will cite previous issues with goal kicking, but I have been assured by many on this board that skill can be trained and improved. We get frustrated when one of our players misses a set shot, but the reality is that league wide only one out of every two set shots results in a goal. Jack Reiwoldt has a set shot accuracy of 45% and I'm sure we would jump at the chance to play him.
So that would leave us with real or POTENTIAL marking forwards of:
- Taberner
- Lobb
- Fyfe
- Cox
- Logue
- Hamling
- Pearce
- Chapman (future)
- Lobb (also listed above)
- Sean Darcy
- Lloyd Meek
All in all I think we have added some really exciting options this year to a squad which was already strong pending injuries. We now just need to bed down the new game style and get development into our young guys - including positional flexibility - and we will see a steady climb up the ladder. I'm backing us for the eight next year.
I posted this after the draft. I wasn't talking about this draft as we all knew 2 KPF was incredibly unlikely.
I am talking over the next couple of drafts.
So the solution is to draft an unknown quantity who COULD play forward at some point but not next year because all the good KPFs were off the table by our first pick. Just because they are tall???
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I never mentioned drafting a tall forward early. I have no idea at all about the draft and rarely if ever comment on it. The list as it stands is incredibly unbalanced between tall defenders and tall forwards. Eventually we need to address that problem and I highly doubt Hamling/AP is the solution.So the solution is to draft an unknown quantity who COULD play forward at some point but not next year because all the good KPFs were off the table by our first pick. Just because they are tall???
Sheesh
I will add that picking up Banfield seems a mistake when we could easily take a punt on a tall forward. Let’s not forget where our current best tall forward came from.
I mean its odds on that Cox plays mostly forward this year given he is the only one other than Lobb and Tabs with any runs on the board. Triple so if Hamling, Pearce and Logue come back.
We have better key forwards than:
Adelaide, GWS, Essendon, Collingwood, Gold Coast, North Melbourne, Brisbane, Melbourne and Hawks
Par with Saints, Carlton
not as good as Eagles, Richmond, Western Bulldogs, Geelong, Port
When Charlie Dixon, Josh Kennedy, Tom Hawkins, Jack Riewoldt finish their careers will be par if not better than those teams.
We have time to draft, or trade for a key forward.
We do need to draft really soon because our trading is diabolical for KPFs and they take a long time to mature (exhibit Tabs).
Sorry, I misread your post. I agree we look light on for KPFs at the moment, but let's assume Cox can transition back to the KPF he was drafted as, that alone leaves us Lobb, Taberner and Cox as forward marking targets. That is too tall so effectively one of them either plays WAFL or in a different position (Lobb to first ruck, Cox to defence? - good luck with that!). I don't know if either Hamling, Logue or AP is a solution either, but happy to give it a try, even if it is in the WAFL because they aren't all going to fit in the one side.
I guess it comes down to the glass half full or glass half empty - I believe we have lots of options for next year, and drafting a speculative tall forward won't change that. However I agree we need to draft (or trade) young tall forward(s) as soon as we identify them - could be as early as the rookie or preseason drafts. Who knows?
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- Jun 25, 2006
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You really think Lobb and Tabs is top half of the league? That’s optimistic.
Cox is every chance to play WAFL if we somehow don't have KPP injuries.
We are really stacked midfield and back and have good small forwards in Walters, Sturt and Henry.
Next draft has to have at least two tall forwards/forward rucks
Next draft has to have at least two tall forwards/forward rucks
I would hope we keep an eye on the undrafted prospects for the mid-season draft.
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Agree with all of this, the only issue for me is I see Cox as a potential AA back. He looked like he could be absolutely elite, has the perfect mix of rebound and defensive skills.
how can we? If we take two rookies including Banfield today we have no spots
